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Stephen Colbert Wikipedia Prank Backfires 701

Vicissidude writes "The champion of 'truthiness' couldn't resist making fun of a website where facts, it seems, are endlessly malleable. But after making fun of Wikipedia on Monday night's "Colbert Report," Colbert learned some hard truths about Wikipedia's strength in resisting vandalism. Here's how the segment started: 'Colbert logs on to the Wikipedia article about his show to find out whether he usually refers to Oregon as "California's Canada or Washington's Mexico." Upon learning that he has referred to Oregon as both, he demonstrates how easy it is to disregard both references and put in a completely new one (Oregon is Idaho's Portugal), declaring it "the opinion I've always held, you can look it up."' Colbert then called on users to go to the site and falsify the entry on elephants. But Wikipedia's volunteer administrators were among those watching Colbert, and they responded swiftly to correct the entry, block further mischievous editing, and ban user StephenColbert from the website."
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Stephen Colbert Wikipedia Prank Backfires

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  • Always Hilarious (Score:5, Informative)

    by telbij ( 465356 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:13PM (#15833647)
    The Colbert report is always hilarious, and this is no exception.
  • Censorship? (Score:1, Informative)

    by krell ( 896769 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:21PM (#15833735) Journal
    No one is censoring him. Colbert is perfectly free to start his own online encyclopedia with its own rules the way he wants it. Save the censor term for real censorship (i.e. when the inevitable evil mod MODS ME DOWN!)
  • too late (Score:2, Informative)

    by rootology ( 905480 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:22PM (#15833744)
    It's extra funny as people are now salting more slyly references to Colbert, elephants, and truthiness in scores of articles, I saw tons being cleaned. But just as many are likely getting through based on simple probability and volume. They'll be cleaning Stephen off of WP for months.
  • He's not banned (Score:5, Informative)

    by ThePolkapunk ( 826529 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:27PM (#15833784) Homepage
    Take a look at Colbert's block log: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Log&type=block&page=User:Stephencolbert [wikipedia.org] and his talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stephencolb ert [wikipedia.org]. He's not banned, and although he was blocked at one point, that's since been removed.

    Furthermore, all the blocks put on his account were due to the inability to confirm that this account actually belonged to Stephen Colbert since creating an account with a public figure's name if you are not the public figure is against wikipedia policy. His account was not blocked for vandalism.
  • Re:Backfires? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Ignorant Aardvark ( 632408 ) <cydeweys@noSpAm.gmail.com> on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:32PM (#15833826) Homepage Journal
    So what if a few pages displayed vandalized entries for a little while? Two nights ago we were on such high alert that the Stephen Colbert vandalism was reverted on average in under 30 seconds. And that was before I started locking down pages. Considering the vandalism was spurred on by a television show with an audience of over one million people, it only took about half a dozen admins to quelch all of the vandalism.
  • Re:This is why... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Überhund ( 27591 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:36PM (#15833867)
    Thanks! I thought that sounded familiar. :-)

    "In many of the more relaxed civilizations on the Outer Eastern Rim of the Galaxy, the Hitch Hiker's Guide has already supplanted the great Encyclopedia Galactica as the standard repository of all knowledge and wisdom, for though it has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate, it scores over the older, more pedestrian work in two important respects. First, it is slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words Don't Panic inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover."
  • Re:Always Hilarious (Score:5, Informative)

    by mozumder ( 178398 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:38PM (#15833890)
    Unfortunately, he did get the idea from last week's Onion: "Wikipedia Celebrates 750 Years Of American Independence"
  • by saha ( 615847 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:40PM (#15833916)
    Agreed. Its a starting point for me for looking quick technical things. e.g. DVI pin layouts or lookup SHA or MD5 hash. When it comes to areas where one's opinion/politics/theology can be inserted I take Wikipedia more with a grain of salt.

    Sam Vaknin had an interesting article The Six Sins of the Wikipedia [americanchronicle.com] pointing out the problems with the Wikipedia system. I enjoy using Wikipedia but I am wary of using it has some sort of gospel or authority. The contributers are anonymous and that lack of transparency does make it sort of a problem for me. Below the article.

    Sam Vaknin July 2, 2006

    It is a question of time before the Wikipedia self-destructs and implodes. It poses such low barriers to entry (anyone can edit any number of its articles) that it is already attracting masses of teenagers as "contributors" and "editors", not to mention the less savory flotsam and jetsam of cyber-life. People who are regularly excluded or at least moderated in every other Internet community are welcomed, no questions asked, by this wannabe self-styled "encyclopedia"

    Six cardinal (and, in the long-term, deadly) sins plague this online venture. What unites and underlies all its deficiencies is simple: Wikipedia dissembles about what it is and how it operates. It is a self-righteous confabulation and its success in deceiving the many attests not only to the gullibility of the vast majority of Netizens but to the PR savvy of its sleek and slick operators.

    1. The Wikipedia is opaque and encourages recklessness

    The overwhelming majority of contributors to and editors of the Wikipedia remain anonymous throughout the process. Anyone can register and members' screen-names (handles) mean nothing and lead nowhere. Thus, no one is forced to take responsibility for what he or she adds to the "encyclopedia" or subtracts from it. This amounts to an impenetrable smokescreen: identities can rarely be established and evading the legal consequences of one's actions or omissions is easy.

    Everything in the Wikipedia can be and frequently is edited, re-written and erased and this includes the talk pages and even, to my utter amazement, the history pages! In other words, one cannot gain an impartial view of the editorial process by sifting through the talk and history pages of articles (most of which are typically monopolized by fiercely territorial "editors"). History, not unlike in certain authoritarian regimes, is being constantly re-jigged on the Wikipedia!

    2. The Wikipedia is anarchic, not democratic

    The Wikipedia is not an experiment in online democracy, but a form of pernicious anarchy. It espouses two misconceptions: (a) That chaos can and does lead to the generation of artifacts with lasting value and (b) That knowledge is an emergent, mass phenomenon. But The Wikipedia is not conducive to the unfettered exchange of information and opinion that is a prerequisite to both (a) and (b). It is a war zone where many fear to tread. the Wikipedia is a negative filter (see the next point).

    3. The Might is Right Editorial Principle

    Lacking quality control by design, the Wikipedia rewards quantity. The more one posts and interacts with others, the higher one's status, both informal and official. In the Wikipedia planet, authority is a function of the number of edits, no matter how frivolous. The more aggressive (even violent) a member is; the more prone to flame, bully, and harass; the more inclined to form coalitions with like-minded trolls; the less of a life he or she has outside the Wikipedia, the more they are likely to end up being administrators.

    The result is erratic editing. Many entries are completely re-written (not to say vandalized) with the arrival of new kids on the Wikipedia block. Contrary to advertently-fostered impressions, the Wikipedia is not a cumulative process. Its text goes through dizzyingly rapid and oft-repeated cycles of destruction
  • Re:Always Hilarious (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:45PM (#15833963)
    Colbert gave Wikipedia an "atomic wedgie" and they responded by banning him...lol I'm sure that the NAMBLA people have banned Stewart from their website too. You can be sure that the more controversy the "Wikipedia administrators" generate over this, the more likely they will become to The Colbert Report what NAMBLA has become to the Daily Show.

    [for those that don't know, Jon Stewart is the host of Comedy Central's The Daily Show, a nightly news spoof on the day's events. Steven Colbert used to work on The Daily Show before getting his own show, The Colbert Report, which is a spoof on The O'Rielly News Hour. One of the regular bits that Steward does on The Daily Show is to crack jokes about organizations that have a lot of words in their names and always abbreviate them down into NAMBLA. One can easily see Steven Colbert doing a regular bit where he references questionable news sources and always says Wikipedia under his breath. Thus providing an ongoing way of discrediting Wikipedia (like NAMBLA). all the Wikipedia people need to do is make enough controversy, like banning him (oooow).]
  • by Ignorant Aardvark ( 632408 ) <cydeweys@noSpAm.gmail.com> on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:46PM (#15833983) Homepage Journal
    You may be misunderstanding how Wikipedia works ...

    Even if 1,000 skinheads do get together and try to "vote" to change the article on The Holocaust, it won't do anything. We'd simply protect the article and block the lot of them. Wikipedia is not a democracy (this is actually one of our policies), and we administrators have lots of discretion to simply get rid of obviously false or stupid entries. Go check out our articles on Evolution [wikipedia.org] or Global warming [wikipedia.org]; I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

    There's this misconception out there that if you get enough people to come edit you can make Wikipedia say anything you want by the sheer sake of having numbers on your side. This is simply not true.
  • Who in their right mind would use Wiki as a 'source' document?

    Short answer: Too many people.

    I've read through tons college level papers that cite wikipedia as a source for factual information. That is scary.
  • by Arcane_Rhino ( 769339 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:49PM (#15834018)
    ...at some point you will have to trust a source

    Yeah. I was pretty bummed when it occurred to me during my under graduate years that all of my "research" essentially amounted to consolidating and regurgitating other peoples research. (And, in some cases, THEIR consolidation and regurgitation.)

    I never really proved anything.

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    Clever trolls are master baiters of the worst kind.

  • Re:Always Hilarious (Score:2, Informative)

    by Ojuice ( 638639 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:50PM (#15834023)
    You forgot to mention that NAMBLA stands for North American Man-Boy Love Association. hehehehe.
  • by Ignorant Aardvark ( 632408 ) <cydeweys@noSpAm.gmail.com> on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:51PM (#15834034) Homepage Journal
    What you are describing is the stable versions proposal, and it's currently being worked on by the developers. Basically, an administrator would be able to go in and flag a specific revision as being "stable", and that's what all readers of the article would see. You could of course choose to see the development version or make edits to the development version, but it will take an administrator to update the stable version, and he will do so by comparing the changes since the last stable version and making sure everything is legitimate.
  • by 'nother poster ( 700681 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @02:59PM (#15834117)
    Wife, you know. Pay $20k to the Russian mafia and they mail you a female that you refer to as "wife". After a few years she empties out your bank accounts and goes back to Moscow to repeat the process.
  • by rbarreira ( 836272 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @03:20PM (#15834279) Homepage
  • by Ryan Amos ( 16972 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @03:22PM (#15834295)
    Ehh undergrad papers are largely a joke anyway. The only person reading them is the person grading them, so the only person they're hurting is themselves.

    Wikipedia is a bad resource for a number of reasons, the least of which being its somewhat dubious provenance: it is never a primary source, at best a secondary source, and most often a tertiary source, neither of which are incredibly accurate or paint a very good picture of ths subject.

    Wikipedia can be a good resource for beginning your research, however. If the article is any good, it will document its sources, which you can then look up and use yourself. The source material usually has more information than is posted on Wikipedia, which might also be useful to your topic.
  • by Ignorant Aardvark ( 632408 ) <cydeweys@noSpAm.gmail.com> on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @03:31PM (#15834352) Homepage Journal
    point is, Colbert's point in fact, isn't that you guys can't fix the stuff you're looking for, it's that you can't fix the stuff you're NOT looking for. If he had chosen to not go on the air with his joke, then "wikiality" would actually show that his opinion has always been that Oregon is Idaho's Portugal (not Washington's Mexico, or California's Canada, both of which he actually said). No one would have noticed, but it would be up there as "wikifact" anyway.

    Actually, his insertions of false material into those articles were both noticed and reverted quickly, one in under three minutes and the other in under seven minutes. This was still long before the show went live, and thus before it was pointed out to anyone.
  • Re:Always Hilarious (Score:4, Informative)

    by TheGreek ( 2403 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @03:48PM (#15834485)
    The works of "C.P.E. Bach" would not be funny in the least if Peter Schickele wasn't a devotee of both orchestral music and the intellectual culture which surrounds it.
    I think you mean "P. D. Q. Bach." C. P. E. Bach was a real composer.
  • by SoCalChris ( 573049 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @03:49PM (#15834496) Journal
    Yep, here's a good example.

    Conrad Burns, senator for Montana. [wikipedia.org]

    Over the last several months, quotes of his which are extremely offensive to many people have been slowly dissapearing from his Wikipedia page. They're still on WikiQuote though.
    In 1994, Burns told the editorial board of the Bozeman Chronicle that when asked by a constituent, "How can you live back there in Washington, DC with all those niggers?" he replied, "[It's] a hell of a challenge." When he was asked about the use of the racial slur, he said: "I don't know. I never gave it much thought."

    On February 17, 1999, while at a meeting of the Montana Implement Dealers Association in Billings, Montana, Burns referred to Arabs as "ragheads". Burns later apologized.

    In 2000, he offended a Billings woman when he pointed to her nose ring and asked her what tribe she was from.

    On December 21, 2005, Burns stated that "We've got to remember that the people who first hit us in 9/11 entered this country through Canada." This claim, which is false and is directly contradicted by the findings of the 9-11 Commission, drew criticism from those questioning Burns' grasp of domestic security. Canadian ambassador Frank McKenna demanded an apology from Burns.

    Recently, Burns ran into a group of firefighters in an airport, who had just finished fighting a 92,000 acre fire, and were getting ready to return home. He walked up to them and said "See that guy over there? He hasn't done a God-damned thing. They sit around. I saw it up on the Wedge fire and in northwestern Montana some years ago. It's wasteful. You probably paid that guy $10,000 to sit around. It's gotta change." That section is still in there, but I bet it'll be gone within a week.


    I would change the wiki entry so that those are back in there, because I feel that they are important topics for someone who is running for reelction in a few months. I'm just not familiar enough with how to edit Wikipedia.
  • Re:One Trick pony (Score:3, Informative)

    by hpavc ( 129350 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @04:22PM (#15834714)
    Sadly his satire, and that of the daily show, is spot on and correct, while pappa bear's message is completely wrong. They spoof everyone and everything. They actually hit CNN hard every chance they get, but your two deluded to notice. I bet they pound on CNN directly once a week for a screw up they make.

    Everytime the Daily Show displays an indecision2006, the brink of the brink of war, a mess-o-potamia, etc they are making funny of news reporting, big business, talking points, and the polical administration.
  • by xihr ( 556141 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @04:55PM (#15834941) Homepage

    How is that backfiring? Yes, you can protect certain Wikipedia pages from vandalism -- at least temporarily -- by blocking modifications to them. And only people in power can choose to do that. Some areas of Wikipedia have gotten so bad that this needs to be done routinely.

    So how does this not demonstrate that there is something fundamentally silly about having it be a collaborative free-for-all? The only way you can prevent abuse effectively is by making it non-collaborative by blocking edits and a non-free-for-all since only admins can call for such blocks. Quite frankly, it demonstrates the inherent nonsensical nature of Wikipedia quite nicely. And we're not getting into the area of libel, and the lack of responsibility therein ...

  • Not familiar enough? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @05:03PM (#15834994)
    Click on "edit this page". Now, edit the page. Finally, click "save". Its no harder than posting on slashdot.
  • MOD Parent Down (Score:4, Informative)

    by brian0918 ( 638904 ) <brian0918.gmail@com> on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @05:50PM (#15835353)
    "I think Colbert's point was that Wikipedia and other vote based knowledge bases"

    Wikipedia is not a democracy [wikipedia.org]. Evidence-based, rational discussion leading to consensus [wikipedia.org], not voting, is the primary method by which article content is determined.
  • Re:One Trick pony (Score:2, Informative)

    by Kremmy ( 793693 ) on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @07:27PM (#15835961)
    You seem to have missed something. All of the words are spelled correctly, they are simply the wrong words. Why are you telling him he can't spell?
  • MIssed the point (Score:2, Informative)

    by scatters ( 864681 ) <mark@scatters.net> on Wednesday August 02, 2006 @09:50PM (#15836656)
    The whole point of the segment was not about Wikipedia. It's about the willingness of people to believe whatever 'truths' are spoon-fed to them by the media, particularly the current administration's spin machine (and before all the republican slashdotters kill my dog, I'm sure this will also apply to future democrat administrations too).

    Wikipedia was simply used as a pop-culture vehicle with which his audience could identify.

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