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How Not to Steal a Sidekick 424

timmit was one of many readers to point out the story of a stolen Sidekick, writing with this excerpt from the site: ""When my friend realized that she had left the Sidekick in the taxi she asked me to immediately send a message to the phone saying that we would give a reward for the phone. There was no response. After a day of waiting, she had to go to the store and spend over $300 on a new Sidekick. When she put her SIM card in, she saw that the person(s) that had taken the phone had not only signed on to AOL leaving their name and password in the phone, but they had taken pictures of themselves." I can sympathize, after someone with the address Rmluckyguy@aol.com tried to sell me back the Visor Deluxe stolen from my car last year in Philadelphia. I hope Evan has better luck.
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How Not to Steal a Sidekick

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  • heh heh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Surt ( 22457 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:27PM (#15495795) Homepage Journal
    Posting rmluckyguy@aol.com 's email to the front page of slashdot is one way to get revenge I suppose. My guess is that email address just became unusable.
  • by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:30PM (#15495826) Homepage Journal
    Oh, grow up. This is an interesting, useful story. Even if it were just about stupidity, it would be worth reading — there's an art to dealing with stupid people. Besides, the story is also this guy's attempts to pressure the Sidekick's new "owner" to give it back — and it's unexpected conseequences.
  • Idiots (Score:2, Insightful)

    by blindbug ( 979761 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:31PM (#15495833)
    Whether or not they stole the phone or not, possession of stolen property is just as much a crime as the actual theft. Thieves like these people need to be sent to a country where the crime of theft is a loss of extreminities. I for one am tired of working 9-5, 5 days a week, only to find that some jask*ss wants to spend 35 seconds throwing a rock through my car window to steal all they can and destroy everything they cannot. I hate thieves just as much as I hate the government... oh wait, they are the same thing, right?
  • by Darth_brooks ( 180756 ) <[clipper377] [at] [gmail.com]> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:31PM (#15495838) Homepage
    It's been running for a couple days (the whole thing started on the 6th), but I think slashdot finally took it over the edge. The pics are/were nothing special, a young latina (mexican american?) girl, a really big mexican guy. Sorry, no porn. There were some links to the girl, her boyfriend, and the fat guy's myspace pages, for those that get off on geocities-level craptacular page layouts.

    The whole thing is a giant internet pissing contest. Initially it was funny, and I hope the guy gets his sidekick back, but at the same time there's a whole lot of internet lawyering going on there that's pretty childish. The back and forth between the owner and the people that have the sidekick has gone on for about a day too long. It was funny to see the theives act like idiots, it was funny to see the owner thump them. But now it's down to a guy arguing with idiots and getting beaten by experience. The guy needs to realize that nothing he says is going make these folks magically wake up and say "OMFG, I was so wrong. Here's your phone back, sorry for the trouble. Peace be with you."
  • by is as us Infinite ( 920305 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:39PM (#15495900)
    Yes, stealing someone's cell phone is very wrong. Obviously it needs to be returned to its rightful owner (ie. the person who bought it.) and it's strange that the thief hasn't just admitted it and taken the cell phone over to the owner.

    However, it looks to me like the young girl in the pictures may be somewhat innocent. Let's call them Mr. Army and Ms. Booty, just to make it easier (any similarity in naming between real life and the monikers is purely accidental... no really.) Mr. Army says, ostensibly, that a cabbie sold it to him. I doubt that's true. They also say that Mr. Army gave it to Ms. Booty as a present. That's probably what happened. And she got a SIM card and took some pictures and logged onto her AOL and now this guy takes her and shows her to the world as if she's a monster. The person who deserves the world's ire is the thief, Mr. Army.

    He really needs to own up to the situation. If he bought it from a cabbie, he had to know it was stolen. And if he stole it himself, well... the best thing he can do now is take the phone back and apologize. Anything else is just prolonging the inevitable, and possibly getting him a larger sentence, should Mr. Shamer choose to press charges.

    I feel like Ms. Booty is at least somewhat innocent. As it stands now, it would appear that she knows the phone is stolen, but obviously she's young, and judging by the fact that she has a child, probably none too bright, and easily swayed by Mr. Army's persuasion. This is a black mark on her life that will follow her around for many years to come. I'm sure she will have to endure some harsh judgement from her peers at school, and I'm not absolutely certain she deserves that.

    And now that Mr. Shamer has rejected offers for free webhosting 'gone over his current provider's bandwidth cap' and put up a donation link, it amounts to little more than a cry for cash.

    I feel sorry for everyone involved.
  • by Johnny5000 ( 451029 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:46PM (#15495947) Homepage Journal
    If you leave a phone in a taxi, can you really consider it 'stolen'?

    If the person who finds it uses the service that they're not authorized to use, I would imagine that counts for something in the realm of stealing.

    Say you find a wallet full of cash. I'm not sure of the legality of keeping it for yourself, and it's a jerky thing to do anyway , but it's definitely illegal to try to use the credit cards that you're not authorized to use. Using their phone service without permission is probably similar.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:49PM (#15495969)

    My SO had her laptop stolen last year, while on a trip home (to a country far from the US, where we currently live).

    Several months later, we hear from the police to say a) that the burglar is in prison awaiting trial and b) they have her laptop. Her sister picked it up, and discovered that it was full of home made pr0n, and we briefly thought of posting some of the highlights on the web. However, the burglar was sitting in prison (and remains there to this day), and we couldn't be bothered humiliating him further, and we had replaced the laptop and restored almost everything on it from the back-up. So I sent the system disks home, her sister did an erase/install, and then sold it on our behalf.

    However, this morning I came across this -- not exactly our story, since in this case the perp. has avoided legal trouble (thus far) and the ripoff was via an internet auction, rather than "breaking and entering", but it makes me wonder whether our burglar shouldn't also be the star of his own internet site. Too late now, though....

          http://www.amirtofangsazan.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] [not completely work safe]
  • by ryanov ( 193048 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:49PM (#15495970)
    When you hear "you stole my phone, give it back" and you don't do anything about it, you are guilty. Maybe not in the eyes of the law, but a kid in kindergarten knows that you can't take things that aren't yours.
  • by cecom ( 698048 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @01:58PM (#15496033) Journal
    I find it amusing that she absolutely had to a buy a new sidekick within 24 hours. Can't live without it. No doubt that is good for the economy.

    Anyway, how is stealing a sidekick different from stealing anything else and why does it deserve a story ? The phones of several of my friends have been stolen of the years. I had my car CD player stolen a couple of years ago, but you don't see me bitching about it on Slashdot (oops, now you do).
  • Re:Police? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Iphtashu Fitz ( 263795 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:01PM (#15496062)
    I suppose this isn't technically stealing

    Maybe not, but posession of stolen property is a felony. They know that it's stolen property. There's a police report filed regarding the stolen property. T-Mobile is apparently going to shut off the service, which means they're convinced it's stolen property.

    If this guy really is an MP then he's putting his military career in jeopardy. This is the sort of thing that could get him booted out of the military, possibly after a trip to the brig, and undoubtedly with a dishonorable discharge.
  • by NXIL ( 860839 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:05PM (#15496093)
    If the army soldier WarriorPena84@aol.com did in fact write and send this, he is going to be attending the UCMJ School of Hard Knocks, and that is going to suck:

    "listen you dumb mother fucker my sister bought that phone from some cab driver so what the fuck do you want . shes not going to return it if she bought it, and am military police so dont give me that bullshit about you going to the cops over a lost phone the nypd has better things to do then to worry about your friend losing her phone. you better stop harrasing my sister or you'll have to deal with me and you dont want that"

    Shows a lack of impulse control, immaturity, and absence of sound judgement: given the mutlple recent international incidents our military has been involved in, I truly hope they take away his weapon privileges, and soon.

    I am not a JAG, but, there are about a dozen things they can charge him with there, from 'conduct unbecoming', to making a threat, conspiracy, etc. Not good.

    They should turn him over to the grammar and spelling Nazis too....

  • New trend? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ZeroExistenZ ( 721849 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:18PM (#15496215)

    It seems like a new trend to get things like this "public" in order to get back to the offenders, using the open and more and more community-like nature of the internet.

    I wouldn't be surpriced if in a while these you-are-a-criminal-bitch! webpages start popping up plentyful as people seem to feel they "can do something" and hunting the offenders down, having direct result as it exposes them in their own social network (blog/myspace/...) having a bigger impact (a "most in my direct environment and social network dissaproved" vs. "some stupid cop 'caught me'") or perhaps, for some, it's way to be able to mock someone. It's fascinating to see it resembling an old custom where criminals were publically humiliated and displayed on the townsquare for everyone to enjoy.


    The guy with the laptop distressed me and I felt relief him getting exposed in his questionable activities. It really looked like the guy explicitely intended to sell some broken laptop and profit off of it. Judging from the pictures though, this girl seems to be rather young and lower class, just wanting to get in on the whole technology gadgets-train and saw an opportunity. I don't approve of it, and think she just should've given the sideKick back without going all racist and intimidating over it. But it seems less of a threat. Although, it appeared she felt "untouchable" by the way she communicated back. I suppose being critisized by a wold-audience personally adressed to you will do more then a criminal record which means in certain circles how "tough" and "gansta" you are.

    I do wonder what the long term damage will be as many companies track your name on the internet before hiring...

  • by IANAAC ( 692242 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:18PM (#15496216)
    I find it amusing that she absolutely had to a buy a new sidekick within 24 hours. Can't live without it. No doubt that is good for the economy.

    If that gadget were her only phone number (which is increasingly the case with people it seems), I can definitely understand.

  • by giorgiofr ( 887762 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:19PM (#15496234)
    WTF! That's just... cruel and stupid! What do they think they're doing? Besides, they'd better keep their eyes open and be on their toes because someone is going to beat the crap out of them sooner or later. For instance if I had been the guy with the white car, you can bet I'd have been fighting like hell: I'd have thought someone was attacking me from behind NAD stealing my phone at the same time. In such a situation I'd be pretty violent. Not being able to see well... a nice elbow in the face would have been a good choice!
    Stupid, really stupid.
  • by catch23 ( 97972 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:41PM (#15496451)
    Well if it is that girl who is doing it for fame and fortune... then this: video [myspace.com] really doesn't help. Do you really think the girl in that video has the intelligence to go about doing all of this? Sure, they could be acting... but somehow, I doubt that. Plus, it's in NYC, where millions of people live and could easily drive by and verify for themselves.

    Cynical perhaps... Maybe NASA never did land on the moon... it was all directed by Spielberg!
  • Re:Stealing how? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MaverickUW ( 177871 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:43PM (#15496471)
    "Well geeze officer, what do you mean murder? I mean, they didn't move out of the way of my bullet, they saw me with the gun and I told them I was gonna shoot. How can it be my fault, they got what they deserved by not dodging."

    If the above story actually happened, you could start your career as an amateur lawyer.
  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:46PM (#15496509) Homepage Journal
    "And she got a SIM card and took some pictures and logged onto her AOL and now this guy takes her and shows her to the world as if she's a monster."
    She got the SIM card in the phone. Sorry but try this out. "Hey want to buy this phone? Yea it is legit don't worry about the pictures already on it. Oh and don't worry about paying for service I will throw that in for you." Yea right...
    Followed by
    Here is a cell phone babe. Don't worry about the pictures and the account...

    Nope this is theft.

    "This is a black mark on her life that will follow her around for many years to come. I'm sure she will have to endure some harsh judgement from her peers at school, and I'm not absolutely certain she deserves that."

    Why not. Shouldn't one have to bear judgement based on ones own actions? This isn't because of her gender, race, or even nationality. She decided to keep a phone that was stolen. She picked this path. I feel sorry for her child more than anything else.
  • by zifferent ( 656342 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:52PM (#15496568)
    I doubt it. It's not the kind of con that a 16 year old (or even most 60 year olds) could pull off. If the girl was an unwilling participant without her knowlege, e.g. someone else is using her to setup a con, she and everyone else associated with this would have been incredulous from day/hour 1.

    The details are too perfect. Like the conflicting stories, multiple myspace accounts some of which have been deactivated. Unless a person cons for a living they wouldn't think of human nature stuff like that. Some of the T-Mobile stuff jibes, too. Too many good details.

    It seems easy to do now that it's been done, but it wouldn't have been easy to setup and coordinate as spontaneously as it has happened.

    Besides, I don't doubt he's out of bandwidth what with the combined Digg/Slashdot effect, that kind of stuff can get expensive real quick, and he probably underestimated how expensive.
  • by Moofie ( 22272 ) <lee AT ringofsaturn DOT com> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @02:55PM (#15496589) Homepage
    Why doesn't the vendor have some authentication and location system for phones that are reported stolen? It's not like T-Mobile doesn't know exactly where the device is located.

    Oh wait...this way they get to sell another phone. Question answered.
  • Re:Stealing how? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @03:07PM (#15496692) Homepage Journal
    Kind of like a woman is dumb enough to dress in a short skirt and be out at night and she is raped she got what she deserved?

    Sorry but have a phone fall out of your purse or your pocket is an accident. Keeping one that you know isn't yours is theft.
  • by Darth_brooks ( 180756 ) <[clipper377] [at] [gmail.com]> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @03:10PM (#15496718) Homepage
    Depending on which story you believe, They're either theives, or they've accepted stolen property. They found a phone, the owner has contacted them saying he wants it back. He can prove it's his. Pretty much end of story. He didn't relinquish ownership just because he forgot it.

    If you believe they bought it off the cabbie then again, back to the first line. The owner has come forward, can prove the phone is his, and wants it back. The cab driver is guilty of selling stolen goods.

    Most cabs I've taken don't have discount electronics stores in them. So even if they bought it I'm sure they didn't think to themselves "wow, it's my lucky day. I've come across a splendid opportunity from a respectable legitmate business man."

    They're wrong, the owner is right. He's a douche, but he's also right.
  • by Unequivocal ( 155957 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @04:32PM (#15497444)
    I looked up the site on internic and it appears this person is real and lives in Connecticut. I figure not everyone knows how to look things up on Internic (even on slashdot), so I'm deleting personally identifying information.

    evanwashere.com:
    Evan [last name removed]
    68 [Street removed] Hill Rd
    [city removed], CT [zip removed]
    +1.917[number removed]
    [email removed]

    I wondered also if this was legitimate but it seems like a lot of effort and risk to take for a few donations. I currently believe it's legitimate - the Internic info has the ring of truth..

  • by Rakishi ( 759894 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @05:10PM (#15497763)
    Has he heard of the Google cache?

    Does he know about the Wayback Machine?


    Maybe you should learn about things before talking about them, both of those respect the robots.txt file and the later has a manual removal page
  • by vinn01 ( 178295 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @06:40PM (#15498415)
    He called the right number - 911

    911 is for "real time" situations. You should call well before it becomes a life-threatening emergency.

    In my district, you're not only supposed to call 911 for a fleeing thief, you're supposed to call 911 before they become a thief and flee. I can tell you with certainty that my local police commander would have encouraged people at that gas station to call 911 with a suspicious person report before he stole anything. Think about it, does the guy's panhandling story make any sense (unless it was a bus terminal)?

  • by itwasgreektome ( 785639 ) on Thursday June 08, 2006 @06:51PM (#15498498)
    I've worked for a police department for 4.5 years as a Community Service Officer. And soon will be working as a Police Officer in the LA area. A fleeing thief is an emergency, moron. He committed two felonies. How dare you tell people not to call 911 in such a case? You are SUPPOSED to call (that is, it is your civic duty) 911 if you see ANY crime being committed. Not only did this guy steal my phone, but he also tried to run me over with his car. You idiot. Would you really just let this guy get away because you got your phone back? I got someone off the street who'd probably been stealing from people for a while. Just a reminder people, 911 is there for you to call when crimes are being committed, no matter how petty you may think they are. P.S. Calling police on someone who takes your stuff is not "Revenge." You are a moron who could get a lot of people hurt by making them think, "Oh- he's just pounding on the door, it's not really a crime, oh, he just knocked down the door, it's not a crime, oh he's just threatening to kill me, police probably have something better to do...". Can someone please help me on this one? I'm having a hard time believing this guy would post something so ill-thought out.
  • by qzulla ( 600807 ) <qzilla@hotmail.com> on Thursday June 08, 2006 @11:00PM (#15499766)
    Calling people idiots and morons is not becoming of an up and coming officer.

    I hope you don't stop me for doing 5mph over the limit.

    I'm having a hard time believing this guy would post something so ill-thought out.

    Me too. About you.

    qz

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