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Historic Microcomputer Restoration? 170

Pojodojo asks: "I am doing an independent study next semester with my computer science professor which we decided to call Historic Microcomputer Repair and Restoration. I will be working with such classics as the Altair 8080 and the Apple II. After I have repaired and or restored these machines, I will put them in a display for others to see. I have the opportunity for a modest budget to get equipment to put in the display, and would like to know is, what sort of things would you as fellow comp sci geeks like to see in a Historic Computer exhibit?"
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  • Porn. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Threni ( 635302 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @06:40PM (#15297309)
    I'm not kidding. I remember having a disk of porn for the BBC Micro. That computer only had 32k of ram, and the porn I had was for a mode that used about 5k..perhaps 10, something like that. It was animated too - two frames of it. Amusing.
  • well... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by joe 155 ( 937621 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @06:41PM (#15297319) Journal
    .. I don't know the extent to which it fits your definition, but if I was to think of a bitchin' computer (insomuch as it could do some level of computing). It would be an Amiga 500, god I loved that... if you want something a little more in the line of "computer" I would say collosus, the original bletchly park beast... it could still out perform a P4....
  • How about... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by EnigmaticSource ( 649695 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @06:59PM (#15297428)
    A DEC PDP-11/73, my personal favorite.

    Probably the easiest computer to rebuild from the classic era as there is only one bus (Unibus), and nothing but traces and some very simple electronics on the backplane. Well that and you could hit them with a hammer.

    The PDP-11 series, along with the PDP-8's were some of the first nodes on the ARPANET and you can still get working Ethernet adapters for them.

    Hell, I still miss mine (Viper tape drive, RSX/11, RSTS/E 10, BASIC Plus2, 512MB EDSI drive).

    (You can still find these things running if you look hard enough... (Try asking old medical/dental offices, most of them ran PDP/11's))
  • Old school Unix... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @06:59PM (#15297429) Journal
    There were people bragging about running these at home in the "How Pointlessly Excessive Is Your Home Network?" Ask Slashdot, but -- I'd be curious to play with a PDP-11 running circa-1970 Unix.

    And a Xerox Star.

  • cardiac (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MrRobahtsu ( 8620 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @07:07PM (#15297465)

    Seriously. [bellsystemmemorial.com]

    You haven't really lived until you've run a multiplication (by repetitive addition) manually on a cardboard computer simulator.

  • by nutsy ( 33125 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @07:10PM (#15297484) Journal

    ... then you should try to get your hands on a KIM-1 [wikipedia.org], the original testbed for the 6502 CPU. A mid-1970s kit built around Chuck Peddle's baby... now that's historic!

  • Re:Really old stuff (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Profane MuthaFucka ( 574406 ) <busheatskok@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @07:15PM (#15297505) Homepage Journal
    If he were a really old geek he'd have mentioned that he and Ada Lovelace used to sip tea whilst bragging about staying awake until the sun came up weaving towels out of nothing but some thread and the quadratic formula.
  • by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @07:50PM (#15297658) Homepage Journal
    Depends on how you look at it- 1976-1979 certainly had the big names come in (Commodore Pet, Vic 20 & 64; TI-99/4 and /4a, Apple I, II, II+, IIe, Altair, the Tandy Radio Shack series, and of course, who can forget the precursor to the BBC micro, the Timex Sinclair Z80?), all of which were TECHNICAL leaps forward. But the real explosion came in with the merging of the Home Video Game Industry with the Home Computer industry: Coleco Adam; Atari 400, 800, 1600. And of course the business machines from IBM and Compaq both came out in 1980, as did a variety of "luggable" CPM machines. Plastic boxes in department stores were the start of the real Home Computer and Personal Computer, as opposed to the Micro Computer for hobbyists and businesses that could afford the expense and schools.

    But certainly, I'd cut it off at about 1986 or so- almost everything since then has been Windows, Mac, or Linux, the choice in platforms as far as hardware is concerned is almost dead.
  • Re:well... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @08:06PM (#15297728) Homepage
    You've got to love it that when a computer is so efficent that it's only limited by the speed at which data can be fed into it.

    When testing to see how fast the Colossus could perform reliably, engineers found that it would perform flawlessly until it was running so fast that the paper tapes that fed the input data into Colossus caught fire, at which point they abandoned the experiment for fear that they'd burn the wood-framed building down. A true testament to Turing and the other fine scientists at Bletchly Park.

    Pity Churchill ordered it destroyed after the war was over. It was decades ahead of its time.
  • Next (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wandazulu ( 265281 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @09:15PM (#15298013)
    I would argue a NeXT computer should be part of any display, only because you can show it to people familar with MacOS X and then tell them that this machine has been around since *1990*.
  • by dpbsmith ( 263124 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @09:43PM (#15298132) Homepage
    I'm not sure whether this can be easily retrofitted into other computer designs, but one of the coolest things on the LINC [wikipedia.org]--sometimes billed as "the first personal computer"--was the adjustable speed.

    The LINC had a pair of dials on it: one was a (continuous) potentiometer, like a volume control, the other was a four-position "decade" switch. The pair of dials joint produced a signal that could be used to make any of a number of front-panel functions auto-repeat at a variable rate. In particular, you could make the "single-step" function auto-repeat. The pot adjusted the repeat rate continously over about a ten-to-one range. Each switch position was a factor of ten faster than the last. The slowest speed was about two per second.

    This means that you could make the LINC single-step through its programs at an rate from about 2 to 200,000 steps per second... the later being about half of its full speed.

    So, you could take a program... run it at 2 steps per second and watch the lights flash... then gradually speed it up over a five decades to 200,000 steps per second. At 2 steps per second if you watched closely from time to time you'd see one dot on the screen flash momentarily. As you sped it up the, the flashes would occur more rapidly... then you could see it was forming characters... then lines of text appearing at about the speed of a dot matrix printer... then finally a whole screen of flicker-free text.

    Meanwhile, the LINC's speaker, attached to bit 6 of the accumulator, would gradually change from ticks to a buzzes to beeps.

    I never saw anything that gave you such a feeling for just how incredibly goddam fast a computer was. Even one running at about 0.5 megahertz clock rate.

    You actually could build a LINC from scratch, I suppose, since it was discrete components and the design was public domain. But it would be equally interesting to take a "stock" computer of almost any vintage and give it a continuously variable clock, a la the LINC.
  • Re:relay computer (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Tuesday May 09, 2006 @11:45PM (#15298663) Homepage
    I built something like that while in high school [animats.com], which really dates me.
  • I've got many emails over the years on asking verious questions on repairing old PETs (I have a couple simple fixes like check the sockets, clean contacts etc. but I'm not a hardware guy). The popular classic computers like the Atari 800, Apple II, VIC, C64, etc. have some really nice troubleshooting cheatsheets and guides, usually with text like 'if this is the symptom, check and/or replace these items..' Unfortuantely for the less popular machines (PET, Coleco Adam, etc, etc) there are no or very few guides.

    If you did your repairs and also worked up some rudimentary troubleshooting guide (or better set up a Wiki) for others I think you would be doing a bigger service to the classic computer communtity than just some me-too restorations.

    If you want a challenge for a restoration I would go and get a classic system restored and running, then gather a bunch of choice apps for the system and code up some easy front end (on that system or use a virtual drive, something friendlier) to demonstrate the actual programs in an "exhibit environment" (easy reset/reload, nice menu, etc.), a computer that successfully lights READY. is one thing, but one that also presents a menu of some of the popular games or programs of the time to experience is something way better.

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