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Microsoft Invents A 'Play-Once Only' DVD 740

auckland map writes "Microsoft has developed a cheap, disposable pre-recorded DVD disc that consumers can play only once." From the article: " Buying an ordinary DVD of a new film costs between £15 (E22, $26.40) and £20. Microsoft's new disc will enable the studios to release a "play-once, then throw away" copy for as little as £3, much the same as renting a video or DVD. But unlike a rented DVD, the new disc allows consumers to decide when they watch films and there is no need to return it. The new generation of DVD disc will spearhead a fresh assault by Microsoft on the home-entertainment market." Update: 10/06 03:38 GMT by J : Kinda important to read the followup story.
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Microsoft Invents A 'Play-Once Only' DVD

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  • by Kelson ( 129150 ) * on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:11PM (#13717152) Homepage Journal
    Haven't we gone through this already? How many times have businesses floated this concept over the last couple of years? What on earth makes them think consumers will want self-destructing DVDs this time?
  • by soft_guy ( 534437 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:12PM (#13717161)
    The new generation of DVD disc will spearhead a fresh assault by Microsoft on the home-entertainment market.

    Not to mention the fresh assault on our landfills that this disc format will make!
  • wait.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DanGroom ( 850713 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:12PM (#13717172)
    consumer: "hey, so you can make DVDs for £3. Why are the rest £15?"
  • Play once ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by koh ( 124962 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:12PM (#13717174) Journal
    Play once == Read once
    Read once == Rip once
    Rip once == Play forever

  • /sigh (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rhetoric ( 735114 ) <`moc.rr.submuloc' `ta' `cirotehr'> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:14PM (#13717188)
    like i just posted here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164258&cid=137 17025 [slashdot.org]

    if you can play it once, you can copy it. they have to ban all non-DRM enabled devices (i can see this happening) in order to stop piracy. one DRM free copy is all it takes...
  • by endersadvocate ( 920247 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:14PM (#13717192)
    i guess this is going to work just as good as the one time use digital cameras? also. what happens if u have a power outage etc where you have to restart the movie? does it register when the last second plays and then corrupts all the data or what does it do?
  • Pollution (Score:3, Insightful)

    by msaulters ( 130992 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:14PM (#13717196) Homepage
    Do they have some way to recycle all this plastic? We're entering the biggest petroleum crisis in history, and they're finding new ways of wasting oil. Shouldn't there be a petroleum tax for something like this that creates so much waste?

    Wow, we're all still trying to figure out ways to make more permanent data storage, and M$ has jumped light years ahead of us to making data storage that doesn't store data. WTG!!!
  • high waste? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by icleprechauns ( 660843 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:15PM (#13717201) Homepage
    This is so ridiculously wasteful. Because someone is too lazy to drive a couple miles and return a video, they buy a disposable DVD instead? How idle can someone honestly be?
  • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:16PM (#13717214)
    > Microsoft has developed a cheap, disposable pre-recorded DVD disc that consumers can play only once.

    No, much like everything else out of Redmond, Microsoft has merely copied an innovation developed someone else, and called it their own innovation.

    They started out copying somewhat useful things, such as CP/M, a BASIC interpreter, on-the-fly disk compression, and web browsers.

    Now they're copying DIVX discs. Look on the bright side -- it's proof that they've run out of good ideas to copy.

  • by rpdillon ( 715137 ) * on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:17PM (#13717228) Homepage
    Interesting...my only question is whether it can tell the difference between "playing" and "ripping". Even with DRM, the scheme will eventually be cracked, allowing people like me (who buy DVDs and then rip them so they can be played anywhere in the house without having to tote the disk around) to buy them much more cheaply and achieve the same goal.

    On the same note, will there be some sort of click-wrap agreement to forbid this? If not, it would seem to be well within fair use to rip the discs after buying them for a fraction of the cost of a normal DVD.

    The article was a little light on details...I wish they had addressed the more technical side of things.
  • Re:DIVX (Score:3, Insightful)

    by soft_guy ( 534437 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:17PM (#13717233)
    How long til someone figures out how to mod the hardware to prevent the disc from being destroyed?

    Couldn't they have just done the same thing using CD-RW and having the player write zeros over the disc as it plays? Or did I just guess how this works?
  • Re:"Revolutionary" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SydShamino ( 547793 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:17PM (#13717237)
    *Watching start of movie*

    *Kid screams out in pain downstairs, having tripped and fell, or been punched by brother, etc.*

    *Run downstairs and deal with them for 30 minutes*

    *Return to view movie again, to find it unable to play again*

    Doh
  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:19PM (#13717268) Journal
    There's a lot of people who like to rent DVD's. Now they won't need to return them. Or watch them in time. What's not to like?
  • Re:Play once ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by failure-man ( 870605 ) <failureman&gmail,com> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:20PM (#13717273)
    Why bother? Conventional DVD technology is already quite hacked. Rent those conventionally and do the same thing without the bother of hacking a new DRM scheme or giving MS money.
  • Way to go, Microsoft. Didn't they learn from AOL?

    I know they're not giving it away, but all its going to take is a year of these things being popular and the amount of landfill junk would be astounding.

    That, right there, will alienate loads of people. Fair use and content control issues aside, this is a stupid, stupid idea from an environmental perspective and a PR perspective.

    And I'm sure it wouldn't be cost-effective for them to include a recycling program for it, either.

    Microsoft: Buy our Garbage!
  • Once is all I need (Score:3, Insightful)

    by The_Rippa ( 181699 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:21PM (#13717292)
    I just need to play it once to make a copy of it anyway.
  • Re:wait.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by poot_rootbeer ( 188613 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:22PM (#13717308)
    consumer: "hey, so you can make DVDs for £3. Why are the rest £15?"

    media cartel: "hey, people buy DVDs for £15. Why would we want to sell them for £3?"
  • by Sri Ramkrishna ( 1856 ) <.sriram.ramkrishna. .at. .gmail.com.> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:24PM (#13717329)
    We should make companies who make disposable products to pay a tax for clean up. Encouraging customers to throw shit away into land fill is irresponsible. One day we will pay for it.

    sri
  • by SenFo ( 761716 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:25PM (#13717347) Homepage
    "There's a lot of people who like to rent DVD's. Now they won't need to return them. Or watch them in time. What's not to like?"

    Please don't take offense to this, but seriosuly, what IS there to like? Netflix is already easy enough. Just drop it off in the mailbox and you're done. I seriously hope that people are not becoming so lazy that they can't even run out to the mailbox to return a movie. Heck, my mailbox is over 1/4 mile away from my house and I have no problem walking out to it.
  • by Freexe ( 717562 ) <serrkr@tznvy.pbz> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:26PM (#13717356) Homepage
    Its not like anyone is going to buy them...

    I'm more worried about the AOL mountain, you have no choice about getting those through you door!
  • by PoprocksCk ( 756380 ) <poprocks@gmail.org> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:27PM (#13717380) Homepage Journal
    Great! We give an undesirable product to the consumers, *and* we create more waste for our communities! Two birds with one stone! Thank you, Microsoft, once again you've come up with a practical, *innovative* solution that works well for everyone. More power to the consumer.

    By the way, I'm *being* sarcastic... (well duh!)
  • DIVX redux... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nweaver ( 113078 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:28PM (#13717391) Homepage
    People didn't like online, interactive, DRM'ed DVDs 5 years ago, why would it change today?
  • by Arker ( 91948 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:29PM (#13717400) Homepage
    My predictions:

    Average Joe types are going to hate this - they'll start it, the wife will set the kitchen on fire, they'll hit eject and run to put it out - and come back to find the disk no longer works. Or something like that.

    The only folks it will be popular with are the 'pirates' that will stick it in the drive, rip it once, and then watch it any time they feel like it, in addition to sharing it with a few thousand of their closest friends. It might be a huge hit with that crowd, however.
  • by Kelson ( 129150 ) * on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:29PM (#13717409) Homepage Journal
    And as others have pointed out, you can watch your disc from Netflix more than once, or over several sessions, before you send it back!
  • by IWorkForMorons ( 679120 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:30PM (#13717415) Journal
    Uh...so what happens when you want to rewatch that last part because the phone rang? Or you forgot the popcorn? Or because your roommate was talking through that last part? Or because you missed something at the beginning that was really important to the ending? Or you watched the movie but your roommate wants to watch it when they get home from work? I can do all that if I rent a movie...
  • by pjrc ( 134994 ) <paul@pjrc.com> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:39PM (#13717515) Homepage Journal
    The article makes mulitple mentions of how these single-play discs will need new players?

    It seems pretty unlikely the media self destructs. Maybe, but I doubt it. Why would a new player be needed if it were in the media itself?

    Perhaps it's really a dvd+rw type media, where the player uses a higher power laser to erase the disc during or after playback?

    Or maybe they're going to try Circuit City's DIVX approach (nothing to do with the mpeg4 coded, for those who don't remember those days), where the player will phone home.

    Or maybe it's something else? Any ideas?

    Maybe Microsoft's research teams have turned out something truely revolutionary? Or maybe just another lame idea, as usual?

    Unless it really is media that degrades, or even if it really is in the media, if it's not compatible with existing players, then people are going to have to "upgrade" their players... for no real benefit other than being able to get a play-once disc for about the same or slightly more than simply renting a regular disc. So the players won't sell well, so they won't get the ecomony of scale that makes for a sub-$100 dvd player. It's quite an uphill battle. Witness Circuit City's failure... and that was in the early days of DVD when a few studios were releasing some movies in their lame format but not on DVD. This thing probably going to die before it even gets started.

    But even in a world of perfect DRM, where movies are only distributed on these play-once discs, and no ordinary DVDs are made anymore, and movies aren't ever distributed in any other digital form.... it's still only going to take one pirate with special equipment to capture a pretty good quality "rip", and then upload to a circle of friends, who give to others, until someone makes it available on a file sharing network.

  • by dnoyeb ( 547705 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:48PM (#13717588) Homepage Journal
    But this fly is not stupid.

    I suspect they are trying hard to alter ones concept of 'use' to include things which are otherwise not perishable. Like software.
  • by ran-o-matic ( 667054 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:53PM (#13717626) Homepage
    Disposable car huh? Cars today are MUCH better made than even cars of ten years ago. Today, bottom-feeding company like Hyundai can safely provide a 100,000 mile/10 year warranty!

    These one-use DVDs aren't made on the cheap, they're just made to work once.

  • Re:"Revolutionary" (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @06:56PM (#13717644)
    If you heard your child screaming in pain, would you generally think of the all-important task of pausing the DVD you're watching before going to help them?
  • by Mondoz ( 672060 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:03PM (#13717717)
    "DVDs do eventually wear out."

    Thus the pursuit of more durable, longer lasting storage media goes on...

    But here comes Microsoft, trying to make shorter lasting storage media?

    Preservatives, scratch resistant, stronger, longer lasting, etc...
    Everything these days is supposed to last longer......
    Why spend all this time and effort to make something last only once, when it should last forever??
  • by AaronCampbell ( 826767 ) <slashdot@@@ezdispatch...com> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:19PM (#13717863) Homepage
    Not to mention, how many people rent a DVD, watch it, and then tell their friend "That was a GREAT movie...you HAVE to come over and watch it." They then procede to watch the DVD a second time. Something you can't do with a Self-Destructing DVD.

    And what about this. You get a call on the phone mid movie...get up and get the phone, and forget to pause the movie. Now you want to re-watch the part you missed. Can you?

    What about special features? Such as deleted scenes, gag reels, games, etc? How many times can you watch those? I know some DVDs like National Treasure have quite involved little games on them.

    What about a power outage? The power goes out 1/2 way through a movie. What happens? Is the thing dead? Does half of it still work?

    Seems to me that they still have a lot of questions to answer.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:21PM (#13717895)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Don't they mean... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sik0fewl ( 561285 ) <xxdigitalhellxx@ ... m ['hot' in gap]> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:34PM (#13717978) Homepage

    Don't they mean a rip-once only DVD?

  • Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:44PM (#13718053) Journal
    That second trip to the rental shop to return your DVD is very important for their business. They want you to come back and see something else you want to rent, so why exactly would any rental shop support a product that not only removes that extra trip but also must be replaced all the time, for every bloody title that the shop carries, every time someone rents it. This could only be useful for postal DVD rental which is going to be dead soon. I won't even get started on one-play = one-rip.
  • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:45PM (#13718063)
    No, this time it won't flop because the disks work in ordinary DVD players, so consumers aren't expected to invest in Microsoft's business model.

    What's that, you say?

    The revolutionary product could be on the market as early as next year, with the new DVD players needed to view them....
    A senior source in the company says Microsoft is in talks with the main electronics manufacturers about developing DVD players to play the new discs.
    Whoops! DivX, here we come!! (And coincidentally, what idiot wrote that article without even mentioning DivX?)
  • by eb_ii ( 919225 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:45PM (#13718069)
    just one more thing for us to consume and throw away. What a great idea!! Almost as grand as the printers that cost less than their ink cartridges.

    Something is wrong with this type of thinking...dead wrong.
  • by everphilski ( 877346 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @07:59PM (#13718167) Journal
    Yeah, if you have a mailbox at the end of your driveway. Some of us who live in apartments have to run to the post office for outgoing mail. Same thing happens on campus in a dormatory/"apartment housing."

    Also this could potentially reduce costs for an operation like Netflix ... no return postage, no return handlers, no restocking. "Everything goes out... nothing comes in". Could save a lot of dough.

    And how about those queues? Netflix only has a finite number of copies of each movie, sometimes you have to wait. With a model like this, potentially, they could ship out an unlimited number of read-once DVD's.

    -everphilski-
  • by Nice2Cats ( 557310 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:05PM (#13718211)
    We have Microsoft on record now saying that they have no such thing planned. That's as maybe, but this episode shows the extent of their PR problem: People have no trouble at all believing that Microsoft would produce a product that would screw the consumer that badly. There is hardly any post here that shows that sense of betrayal that is so prominent when, say, Apple or Google screws their costumers. Anger, yes. Outrage, yes. But not betrayal.

    The short and nasty of it is: People expect to be screwed by Microsoft. Their feeling is that this is what Ballmer and Gates do. When your a monopoly, of course, you don't have to care. But on the long run, that can't be good. If I were working in their PR department, I'd probably feel suicidal after reading this thread.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:06PM (#13718213)
    Seems to me that they still have a lot of questions to answer.

    Why does everyone slashdot think large corporations are full of idiots? What do you mean they still have a lot of questions to answer, do you really think they haven't considered and answered all those questions, or are currently debating them? The linked article is a fluff article giving you the overview and the motivation, not the implementation whitepaper. If you had the right access I promise you those questions would already be answered... maybe not to your satisfaction, but that's not the point.

    But please, don't let such things keep you from speculating that they've developed a stupid product which can't handle your phone ringing dilema.
  • by badasscat ( 563442 ) <basscadet75@@@yahoo...com> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:07PM (#13718224)
    But netflix takes time. I sent my movies back yesterday, and I won't have my new ones until tomorrow. If you want the movie today (or don't want to subscribe to a service or sign a blockbuster rental agreement), the disposable disc is a good option.

    Gotta explain that one to me.

    First of all, how many DVD's can you watch in a day? Unless you don't work or go to school (in other words, you just sit on your ass all day), I can't see how you'd watch 3 movies in one day and then have nothing left to watch. I (like most people) am lucky if I get through 3 DVD's in a week! And I just send them back as I watch, so I always have one or two new DVD's on the pile.

    Second, the point of Netflix isn't speed, it's convenience. Sometimes people mistake one for the other, but they are not the same thing. I can put a DVD into my mailbox and magically, through the wonders of the US Postal Service, another one appears there in the same spot 2 days later. I don't need to go one inch out of my way or spend one single minute downloading or otherwise dealing with my movies. The whole point is I don't have to go out and buy or rent anything. Otherwise I'd just go to Blockbuster in the first place, so a disposable disc isn't going to help me any.

    I'll stick with netflix, but some people will be better served by this method.

    "Some" people will be served by almost anything. But what is your definition of "some"? Is three people a "some"? Is that enough to sustain a business? What about 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

    It doesn't matter that there are "some" people out there that would like this. I think it's been proven time and time again that most people have decided that they don't, or wouldn't. There are not nearly enough people interested in this to make it viable.

    That's not even taking into account the fact that rental stores have no incentive to carry these things because they cut out a major source of revenue (even BB's "no late fees" promotion really has late fees... you pay $25 or whatever for the movie if you keep it out too long, then a restocking fee if you finally return it), and force them to continuously buy new inventory. Retailers that deal in sales only have little incentive either because the margins are so low. Would you rather sell discs that carry a profit of $5 per unit or discs that carry a profit of 50 cents per disc? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

    And of course, there's the incompatibility thing, which basically makes the whole format a non-starter to begin with.

    This is at least the third time this has been tried and both previous attempts (that I know of) failed utterly and spectactularly.

    (Any other attempts would also have been failures; I just don't know about them if they occurred.)
  • by el americano ( 799629 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:13PM (#13718274) Homepage
    That was my first thought before RTFA too.

    "The revolutionary product could be on the market as early as next year, with the new DVD players needed to view them."

    Sounds like your PC won't be able to play-it-once(TM). The protection is a DRM that requires a special player and probably an internet connection to their servers to get it started. So, as if this wasn't a bad enough idea, now there's the cost of a new player to offset the cheaper DVD advantage. I think MS knows that people won't be thrilled to have a DVD that isn't broken or worn out, but just crippled by our entertainment overlords. However, that shouldn't stop them from selling it to Hollywood. (Sammy baby, it'll be huge. It's the next big thing!)

    I also think they want to get there DRM solution out there as quick as possible.

    They've said, "...only Microsoft could solve [Hollywood's] piracy problem by making its DRM software a standard across every home entertainment playback and recording device."

    Sound familiar? Control the standard and you lock in the revenue. Here we go again, indeed.

    P.S. If you want a cheaper, limited-use DVD now, just buy one, watch it, and sell it on Ebay! Who needs Microsoft for that?
  • by cgenman ( 325138 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:22PM (#13718346) Homepage
    Previously you had the "time expired" DVD's that ran in a standard DVD player. They self-destructed 24 hours after coming into contact with air (I.E. they were unwrapped).

    Nobody bought them anyway.

    There is just that feeling of having your toys taken away. With a rental car, you rent the thing and have to give it back because the next person needs it. Same with video. But if you buy a disk, and it is set to explode after a few plays, you're buying something that is crippled. You don't have to give it back because somebody else needs it, they're taking it away purely to try and get more money from you. Microsoft is used to kicking it's customers in the teeth, but maybe that's why it is stuck in Operating Systems and Corporate Lock-in land.

    Even without the player dongle this would probably be doomed. But with it, the system might as well run Microsoft Bob.

  • by metachor ( 634304 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:26PM (#13718387)
    "The new generation of DVD disc will spearhead a fresh assault by Microsoft on the environment."
  • by droptone ( 798379 ) <droptone@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @08:48PM (#13718542)
    I'm sure the RIAA would love to have the same thing for CDs.
    When the RIAA begins to distribute disposable CD's, you can be sure any artist with half a brain will quickly flee from anything remotely associated with the RIAA. The reason for this is that the artist(s) would want people to listen to CD's multiple times. Hell, they want you to become so hooked to the music you will shell out money to see the artist(s) live and buy merchandise (so the artist(s) can really get paid). I may be presuming entirely too much rationality on the RIAA's part, but surely they aren't THAT dumb. I do agree that the consumer needs to be wary of what these industry interest-groups are planning, but your claim there doesn't seem to make much sense.
  • by Gojira Shipi-Taro ( 465802 ) * on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @09:24PM (#13718757) Homepage
    OT but... people also like to keep an eye on their shit. I lived in an apartment complex about 10 years ago where the laundry room was within about 100 yards of my apartment, but unless I was doing a single load, I loaded it in the car and drove it there.

    Why you ask? Because the fucking lowlifes across the street would DASH over to the laundry room the second they saw someone leave a load unattended and steal it. I was in college at the time, and replacing all my fucking clothes because some fucking tweaker bitch with 6 kids took my stuff to put food on the table (read: to buy more crank/meth) was not really high on my list of "things to do just to show people I'm not 'Lazy'"

    Yea some people are lazy. Some people just don't want to make the "window of oppertunity" for shithead thieves any larger than necessary.
  • by Gojira Shipi-Taro ( 465802 ) * on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @09:35PM (#13718824) Homepage
    ssssh! you'll wake up all the mass-transit freaks that think waiting for a bus that only shows up every 40 minutes and scheduling your life around same is a viable option for people outside core city areas where the schedule actually makes it feasable.

    next thing you know, bobbie-joe the hippie will be petitioning congress for the "single use" car to try to get people on the bus.

    Then you'll get Boeing all excited about pushing single use jumbo-jets. You think safety is iffy now? just wait.
  • by Scudsucker ( 17617 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @09:39PM (#13718849) Homepage Journal
    No replacements

    Other than having to get a new disc for each and every customer, that is.
  • by saskboy ( 600063 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @10:02PM (#13718957) Homepage Journal
    Lazy is part of it, but a failure of imagination is the majority of it. Because if you think about it, it's more work some times to get into your car and drive somewhere than it is to bike or walk to the same place. And if we made minor modifications to the layout of our cities and suburbs, then it would almost always be faster to bike someplace than drive in the Summer on a nice-weather day. Parking takes time and effort, a lot more with a car than with a bicycle.

    We just don't take into account all of the effort we put into being lazy. These discs that blow up after being used for example. Someone has to go out and pick it up, bring it home, and then after throw it away. That's a lot more work than going to your computer and having Netflix delivered to your mailbox, or downloading the movie from BitTorrent. And all the wasted effort that went into making these worthless disks, well, that just makes me mad that so many people contributed to something so unimportant and even destructive. I happen to feel the same way about people who make cigarettes. In fact, these disks are a lot like cigarettes. They cost everyone too much, they burn once, then you toss them away, and probably get cancer from them.
  • by NetRAVEN5000 ( 905777 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @10:12PM (#13719024) Homepage
    What's not to like?

    Paying a premium for the convenience of not having to go back to the store.
    Having to take out the trash when it's full of stuff you otherwise could've kept.
    Going to the store, buying your favorite movie, and then finding out that you can only watch it once.
    Not really saving much time not returning the DVD because you'll just go back and rent another one next week.

    And if you own a video store, making less revenue since now you have to keep buying DVDs - and because people are buying disposable DVDs for $4-5 and ripping them.

  • by Al Dimond ( 792444 ) on Tuesday October 04, 2005 @10:26PM (#13719090) Journal
    Sure, the cost is passed on to the consumer. So it becomes more expensive for consumers to buy throwaway goods, therefore they're less inclined to do it. This puts pressure on the businesses selling the goods.

    I guess in theory tax revenue from such an scheme could cause other taxes to be lowered (ha, ha, good one) or could support vital programs (wow I'm on fire today) such that it wouldn't be an actual increased burden in the aggregate.

    Quoth parent: "Any tax large enough to significantly impact the companies bottom line (assuming that demand isn't too elastic) will probably be enough to make the product not worth making in the first hand." I thought that was the point. Make it economically less viable to produce disposable products by making producers pay for the disposal.

    I think a big problem with such a proposal is that it would require a precise definition of disposable goods. That definition would be crafted by legislators influenced by corporate lobbyists, and even if it was constructed entirely in good faith would almost surely contain both loopholes allowing the people it was intending to tax to walk away scot-free, and apply in other areas for which it was never intended.
  • Simple solution. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by salparadyse ( 723684 ) on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @12:22AM (#13719583)
    Slap a $10 per disk tax on Microsoft to cover environmental costs. Coupled with a $500 billion fine if they try to pass the cost on to the customer.
  • Oh great! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @12:24AM (#13719587) Homepage Journal
    Just what I need, more GARBAGE.

    This idea floats by over and over again because if people would actually accept it, the profit potential is enormous. Of course if people would just pay me $100 for my autograph, the profit poential would be enormous.
  • by squidinkcalligraphy ( 558677 ) on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @12:41AM (#13719655)
    For one thing, this is idiotic in terms of resources. Plastic requires oil. Oil is running out [energybulletin.net]. Before too long, these will not be cost effective to produce, let alone a grand waste of plastic.

    Unless, of course, they provide a way for the average consumer to melt their play-once dvds into fuel for their car.

  • by serutan ( 259622 ) <snoopdoug@geekaz ... minus physicist> on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @01:10AM (#13719761) Homepage
    The headline was the funniest part of the article:

    "Microsoft invents a 'one-play only' DVD to combat Hollywood piracy"

    First the big threat to the survival of the movie industry was crappy-ass copies of mini-camcorder tapes shot in theaters. They solved that problem with night vision goggles, stiff fines and jail sentences. Still ignoring the fact that 80% of unauthorized copies come from originals leaked by Hollywood insiders, the new danger to the industry now comes from the DVD buyer's ability to watch a movie more than once.

    Absolutely Pathetic.
  • Lazy? Try CRAZY (Score:4, Insightful)

    by uberdave ( 526529 ) on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @01:34AM (#13719831) Homepage
    People fight for the parking spot closest to the door of the gym so that don't have to walk too far to get to the treadmill. People aren't lazy, they're insane.
  • by deaddrunk ( 443038 ) on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @02:52AM (#13720086)
    Having worked for several large corporations I can assure you that large corporations are generally full of idiots.
  • One-Time Viewing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Finsterwald P Ogleth ( 759715 ) on Wednesday October 05, 2005 @06:36AM (#13720684)
    Oh, yeah, I'm really looking forward to that.

    Me, who sometimes falls asleep watching one..."You mean I have to buy ANOTHER disc?????"

    Ah, and the wonderful coordinating of family viewing times, especially if both you and your spouse want to see it, but can't quite get your schedules worked out. Oh, and one or both falling asleep right about 2/3 through it.

    Oh, yeah this technology will just fly off the shelves. I can't wait...

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