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11-Nation Raid on Net Pirates 487

Cobb writes "The US Justice Department announce a global crack-down on large scale internet pirates distributing first run movies. According to the article: "FBI agents and investigators in the other nations conducted 90 searches starting Wednesday, arresting four people and shutting down at least eight major online distribution servers for pirated works, a Justice official said. Authorities also seized hundreds of computers in raids in the United States, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Israel, the Netherlands, Portugal and the United Kingdom.""
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11-Nation Raid on Net Pirates

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  • That explains it... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) * on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:19PM (#12952605)

    Authorities also seized hundreds of computers in raids in the United States, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Israel, the Netherlands, Portugal and the United Kingdom.

    Hmm....mabye that's why I haven't been able to telnet into my server at home all day... ^_^

    Seriously, though, Sweeden is conspicuously absent from the 11-nation 'coalition of the willing' listed above, which means that The Pirate Bay [thepiratebay.org] will be staying up, at least... =P
  • A good thing (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Shadow Wrought ( 586631 ) <shadow.wroughtNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:25PM (#12952677) Homepage Journal
    I realize that most of the /. crows has an anti **AA stance and to a certain extent I do as well. However, it is people like this who cause the damages cited by the **AA types, which in turn lead to the heavy handed **AA policies. It is nice to see those most responsible for the problem caught. Good riddance.
  • by slapout ( 93640 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:25PM (#12952681)
    ...to Wil Wheaton:

    "I'm no expert, but it seems like the MPAA would get a much bigger return on their investment if they stopped going after college students and went after the factories that turn out legitimate movies by day, and switch over to pirated material at night."

    --From the Wil Wheaton Slashdot interview
    http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/0 6/27/0926218/ [slashdot.org]
  • Don't see any effect (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JohanV ( 536228 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:31PM (#12952760) Homepage
    When they raided last year in Operation Fastlink [slashdot.org] I saw some significant [tudelft.nl] changes [tudelft.nl] in traffic patterns. This time, I am not seeing anything.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:32PM (#12952777)
    Not only that, but they're going after people who share movies on the Internet. They use the business term distributor and try to make it sound like a money-making operation (a la street sales of pirated product), but that's not what is going on here. This is person to person sharing in its purest form. Most of these so-called first run movies wouldn't even be out there if the movie studios hadn't chosen to release them to the P-2-P networks in order to accelerate their own sales. See, for instance, the "work print" copy of Star Wars:ROTS. I wonder what Grateful Dead would have done if the Feds went after their fans?

    P.S. - George Bush really needs to explain the Downing Street Minutes... an ineffectual President too busy trying to avenge his daddy and achieve "war president" status through the next election that he fails utterly to capture the person responsible for the attacks against America... a failure.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:34PM (#12952793)
    I wonder how many constitutional rights were violated by the US Justice Department and those various "authorities"...

    It's time for anonymous encrypted filesharing and software like Freenet: http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
    Enjoy!
  • by GutBomb ( 541585 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:37PM (#12952826) Homepage
    swedish is not that hard to learn (take it from me, an american that lived there for 2 years and learned the language sometime during the first), and sweden is also the land of 100mbit internet connections for around $40 a month :D

    there is a antipiratbyran (anti-pirate beaurau) but there have been scandals involved with them, such as planting pirated software on corporate computers in order to get themselves in the news.

    New laws are being considered there that would help crack down on sites like the pirate bay, but they are not there yet.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:40PM (#12952862)
    Because it would be inconvenient for the war to end. It is much more convenient for the war to continue forever, the Constitutional erosion to go unabated and lavish spending to be without bonds. Go read what Goebbels had to say about presenting the aggresion war Germany perpetrated as Germans "being attacked".
  • July 4th Weekend (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kid_wonder ( 21480 ) <(public) (at) (kscottklein.com)> on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:47PM (#12952921) Homepage

    I wonder if they planned this crackdown timeframe with the MPAA so that the 'big' movie releases wouldn't be 'harmed' from the piracy of their movies?

    It seems a little conspicuous

  • the scene (Score:2, Interesting)

    by tropicdog ( 811766 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @03:52PM (#12952980)
    Recently I ran across the link for The Scene, http://www.welcometothescene.com/ [welcometothescene.com] Yeah, I know I'm a bit slow on some things and this has been out for some time (9 episodes already available with #10 coming out very soon) It is a "made for the Internet series" whose storyline revolves around this very topic, distributing pirated movies. Available by bittorrent. Check it out.
  • Rumor has it, they're going after pirates of another sort [bbc.co.uk]...!

    Seriously, given the questionable legality of a lot of the movie industry (dubious contracts, the "zero profit syndrome", affiliations with drugs and prostitution rackets, the church of scientology - oops, that one's not illegal), the Governments involved are in essence assisting criminals with profiting from their crimes.


    Now, I don't know about most of the countries listed, but I know the US has laws against such profiting.


    Britain is a slightly different case, in that Common Law defines a "reasonable man" and largely protects anything that a reasonable man might do as, well, reasonable. I am not sure piracy, per se, could be called "reasonable", but it might be construed as reasonable for people to see what they're getting in advance of paying. I don't think all British judges would see it that way, but there's a number of fairly "innovative" and "creative" judges out there who might well do so. (Judge Pickles tended to deliver some, ummm, novel lines, for example.) As such, a prosecution in England tends to be rather unpredictable, especially on controversial issues.

  • by ch-chuck ( 9622 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @04:38PM (#12953420) Homepage
    I think we're going to have to ammend Godwin's law to include OBL as well as Hiter - they never found Hitler but that didn't stop all law enforcement cold either. Life went on, traffic tickets were handed out, criminal rings rounded up, boys peeking thru knotholes in the baseball statium walls were chased off by the local flatfoot, and people copying dvds are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
  • by Rikardon ( 116190 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @04:49PM (#12953537)
    My wife and I manage an apartment building; yesterday the RCMP showed up at 6:30am asking for a suite master key. They had a search warrant, so we gave them the key. When I left for work later that morning, they were loading about a dozen PCs into a minivan.

    They had told us it was a large, coordinated effort, so seeing the computers my first thought was child porn. We have two kids, 5 and 3, so at that point I wanted to know which of our tenants it was. They assured us it was nothing of the sort, however, so I declined to press further (the guy's innocent until proven guilty, after all, and while a warrant means probable cause it wasn't for something violent). I assumed it was something like this announcement -- most likely, I thought, selling DVDs of software and movies on eBay or in the local classified paper, i.e. profiting from piracy, rather than facilitating individual copying. Looks like I got it only partly right.

  • by Jackie_Chan_Fan ( 730745 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @04:57PM (#12953613)
    I know exactly what you mean. Here in NY. You can walk into any of the major shopping malls and find a pirated dvd booth setup. I know of 2 on Long Island.

    The problem is... they only sell pirated asian films... and Hollywood doesnt care about that...

    No MONEY in it for them :) So why bust them?

    These guys have been working in 2 malls with a booth for atleast 10+ years. Pirated VHS tapes, to now very convincing looking pirated DVDs

    Hollywood doesnt give a shit because its Asian cinema and they have no stake in it...

    They did bust some guy not to long ago here in NY. He had a whole setup in his house... ROOMS filled with multiple DVD/CD burning towers. He would burn and package thousands of DVDs. his house looked like a Disc duplication company :) There was defintaly some funny and interesting footage on the local news about it showing this guys house inside and out. The feds were pulling out tons of dvds. even Playstation and Xbox pirated games.

    So they do bust those guys but... certainly they should be going after those guys more than the small guys on the net who do it for non-profit reasons.

    These CD/DVD pirate rings on the net are more or less enthusiasts doing it for a non-profit reason. Perhaps even as protest to high prices, or corperate abuse and to give the people a stake in the buisness world, a way to protest...

    However the CD/DVD pirates on the streets selling copies, are part of mafia crime syndicates. They are the real deal bad guys. They're not some teenager trying to be elite in his dormroom.

    They're mixed up in serious organized crime for profit.

    They're out to profit, not protest, not share freely. they're the ones REALLY taking money away from the movie/recording industry... because people are paying them for pirated copies. Which is a clear example of actual money lost and not the false claims numbers that the RIAA and MPAA make up.

    In China they'll buy XP pro on CD for $5 pirated in the same shops where XP pro authentic versions are sold for $300

    The point worth noting is... people are PAYING for pirated software/movies/music

    The would-be customers of authentic items are PAYING for a pirated item because its cheaper.

    I really thing its time companies rethink their prices.

    Lets be honest. With the current state of our US economy... Lets all make a bet... Who is going to bet that Movie ticket sales will go up, or down? :) I bet you they go up.

    They never seem to go down do they? Not even when our economy is in decline...

    Greed is a bitch, legit or criminal.

  • by Bodysurf ( 645983 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @05:13PM (#12953785)

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/busines s/12021852.htm [mercurynews.com]

    [...]

    "FBI case agent Julie B. Jolie's 11-page affidavit described the investigation, which took place largely over the Internet but ultimately included face-to-face meetings between Patel and the undercover agent, who was not identified. According to the affidavit, in 2003 an undercover agent began inviting warez operators from all over the country to store pirated material on his site. As the word spread, more storage space was added and numerous groups began storing their stolen games and films that could be uploaded and downloaded by hundreds of warez members. A member who uploaded three movies to the server was entitled to download one movie, many of them pre-released movies that were placed on the site long before a DVD was released to the public."

    [...]
  • by IcyNeko ( 891749 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @05:21PM (#12953856) Journal
    I wonder how they'll hit Hong Kong, considering how much software piracy goes on over in the asian quarter of the world. I remember travelling down aisles of bootleg windows games, etc.
  • Real Pirates? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SlightlyOldGuy ( 805345 ) on Thursday June 30, 2005 @05:22PM (#12953869)
    I thought Real Pirates did things like taking over ships at sea and murdering their crews. This is a nasty craime that still takes place in some parts of the world. How did this term get attached to copyright violations? Should we be using it?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2005 @06:15PM (#12954522)
    According to the article on slyck

    http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=844 [slyck.com]

    The " law enforcement " were breaking the law in order to catch others , they were running servers for people to download files from and upload files to.

    This is what the article said if it is true,

    " The FBI had been posing for a considerable amount of time as server operators, inviting people to upload and download material. Once a solid relationship had been established between the FBI and top warez sites, the trap had been set. It was only a matter of time until the FBI had collected enough evidence to make an arrest. While the FBI has only announced the arrest of one individual, it is expected that more information will be released today implicating additional people.

    According to Restless.ugtech.net, who broke this news event, the FBI ran a server name "Chud" and "Lad". They were administered by an undercover agent named "Griffen." The warrant, which was released yesterday, named "killaz, marvel/cartel, cin, sidar, dact, korax, bourbon, and burner." When more information is released today, more specific information on these individuals will be available.
    "

    So they allowed people to break the law ( with their help ) and helped to distribute files , then changed up once they were satisfied.

    How is that legal , for them ?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2005 @09:32PM (#12956562)
    Osama bin Laden == Emmanuel Goldberg
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2005 @10:11PM (#12956806)
    Only one .NL site was busted, and the four west-coast .US sites (all hosted at he.net) had small user databases. When I say small, I mean, no more than 10 or 20 people. Only the siteops' most trusted friends were permitted access. Describing these sites as "exclusive" would be an understatement.

    I speak with some authority on this matter; I was on one of the sites that was busted and I knew and many of the people who's names appeared on the US/CA search warrants.

    Needless to say, I am shocked by the whole thing. Some of these people were the most security-concious "anal" people in the whole scene.

    Today, I have made my own arrangements to "get out" of this business. The hammer hit a little close to home, this time, and no doubt my name appears in syslogs on the site boxes the FBI seized (?). While it seems I wasn't deemed a significant target, I don't want my name to appear on the next round of scene-busts.

    My life isn't worth ruining for a few movies and mp3s.

    PS: The reason they caught these people before Osama Bin Laden: Osama doesn't use Shaw cable!

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