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Indoor Tropical Island 356

fons writes "The huge construction dome of the now bankrupt zeppelin maker CargoLifter, has been turned into an indoor tropical island. For about 20euro a day you can swim in the sea, take a walk in the rainforest or go to a beachparty. While it is snowing outside, it's a always a pleasant 25C on the island. And there are no tsunami's. It's bigger than Biosphere2 (it fits the Eiffeltower) but there's less sunlight. Would you spend your vacation in there? The Germans don't seem to be very eager."
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  • No culture (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SirGarlon ( 845873 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:21PM (#11245030)
    The thing I like about travel is getting a taste of a different culture - calypso music, new kinds of frozen cocktails, ethnic food, historical sites. Whenever I go on a trip I always stop at a museum or two. Climate and scenery are not all there is to a vacation. So this is definitely not for me.
  • Meh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:23PM (#11245046) Journal
    I was imagining some sort of technical marvel like the Truman Show set with realistic looking sky, sun rays, jungle you could get lost in and most importantly an actual island with water all the way around (i think thats still the definition of an island?). Instead I see something that looks like a cross between a sports hall, a tacky cruise liner and some kind of theme park but without the rides. The whole thing looks very dark and dead, they atleast need retina-burning spotlights or something to hide the ugly structure? The jungle is just a load of trees with a linear zig-zag paved path! and I bet they won't let kids climb the trees for safety reasons, if I was 8 I would be pretty pissed off.
  • In Japan... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xenna ( 37238 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:24PM (#11245056)
    They've had something like that for ages:

    http://www.gluckman.com/IndoorBeach.html
  • what i'd like to see (Score:5, Interesting)

    by utexaspunk ( 527541 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:25PM (#11245064)
    I really think the biosphere 2 people got it wrong by trying to recreate all the various biomes of the Earth in one building. That, and the whole issue with the concrete reacting with their atmosphere says to me that they really didn't plan very well. I'd like to see someone try to make a contained ecosystem that is engineered with the sole purpose of keeping some humans alive and comfortable. I wonder how many species of plants and animals would be necessary for such a thing.

    It seems like it could be a lot simpler than what Biosphere 2 tried to do, and a lot more likely to be successful. It would also be beneficial in helping us figure out what we'll need for long-term space missions.
  • so sad (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:28PM (#11245103)
    Another typical example for german politics. Some clever foreign entrepreneur spends a little money on a dubious idea, the rest is paid by the state. A few years later the thing is bankrupt, the entrepreneur gone for good with more money than he invested, and the German taxpayer has to pay the bills. It's not the first time that happens and it really makes me furious.
  • Hide the roof! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JensR ( 12975 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:31PM (#11245147) Homepage
    They definitely need to do something to hide the roof! Maybe line it with reflective screen and have a projector in the centre that projects a sky map to it? Of course, I don't want to know what kind of light source you'd need.
    Would be a bit tricky to match the projection with the roof geometry, but can think of some cool thinks to do.
  • I live in Germany. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by torpor ( 458 ) <ibisum.gmail@com> on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:37PM (#11245214) Homepage Journal

    Germans ain't got no beach. So what if they've now 'got one' in a bubble, it still ain't no beach. That said, its still frickin' cool .. tho' its far from me, I may one day take a day trip just to go experience it, though ..

    And .. as an Australian who just got back from Australia, and our glorious, glorious, oh so *sob* glorious *sob* beaches .. let me just say that this 'bubble-sphere' thingy is Very Welcome in the dismal reality that is the German countryside. What am I doing living here?!!

    [If it weren't for my perfect German job, I'd be back home on the beaches tomorrow, sheesh..]
  • Ah, the joy! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by alienmole ( 15522 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:37PM (#11245221)

    Next youre going tell me they are using space shuttles for tourists; and advanced cybernetics for robotic pets...

    Ladies and gentelmen: The dark side of capitalism.

    Why is it the dark side? Making our time on Earth more enjoyable seems like a worthwhile pursuit. Do zeppelins further that more than theme parks, space tourism, or cute robot puppies which bring children happiness?
  • by johannesg ( 664142 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @12:48PM (#11245338)
    An abitious project to bring back some of the most amazing and majestic technology humanity has ever concieved... turned... into... a ... theme park...

    What happened at Kalkar was FAR worse - far more money was invested (i.e. wasted) by various governments. Read all about it here [askoxford.com]. My parents paid the extra "Kalkar tax" (to pay for the reactor) for years and years, and now it, too, is a theme park. And not even a nuclear theme park, it is simply a health spa. I know, I visited while you could still see most of the reactor and equipment...

    Oddly enough, this is in Germany as well. Makes you wonder...

  • by ewanrg ( 446949 ) * <ewan@grantham.gmail@com> on Monday January 03, 2005 @01:12PM (#11245595) Homepage
    Was living in Minnesota when the Mall of America first opened, and the press coverage seems rather familiar :-)

    I suspect this is a case where it's going to take some time to work out the kinks, and hope the owners took that into account when doing their business plan.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see this become successful - eventually. I also wouldn't be surprised if that didn't happen until the debt had been restructured, and possibly through transfer to new ownership.

    Just my .02 worth...

    ---

    For my other .98, check here [blogspot.com] :-)

  • by mseeger ( 40923 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @01:21PM (#11245689)
    Hi,

    i've been there last thursday for about four hours. At that time, about 5.000 other people did the same. On some days between the holidays, the dome had to be closed due to overcrowding (max. 7.500 people at the same time). The visit was the birthday present for my girlfriend (together with a musical visit later that day).

    The dome is extremely impressive. The size dwarves everything i ever seen before. I'm familier with large halls (productions sites) due to my connections to AIRBUS, but those are much smaller. The Statue of Liberty would fit inside the dome upright. The mentioned Eiffel tower would fit only if laid down. The tropical feeling suffers from the size. Only lower 10m (30feet) contain some tropical stuff (houses, plants, pools), the remaining dome looks still industrial. It seemed a little dark to me, i would have prefered more and warmer light.

    The temperature inside is as warm as advertised. Both pools were overcrowded and queuing up was required for nearly everything (food, toilett, entry, cashier, changing cubicle, etc.). Prices are very fair. Overall rating would be a "B". There a quite a lot places to improve, but i hope the "Tropical Island" will survive.

    For geeks: Every person entering the dome receives a card with a RFID chip. This card is used to pay food, drinks, etc. The RFID chip even operates the lockers (instead of a key). On exiting the dome, you pay according to the bill for your RFID card. Unluckily they had some trouble with this process. So it was up to "What did you have?" and paying what you told them.

    The dome is open round the clock; i would recommend to visit it during the night, when there are less visitors (there were too many small children for my taste). You can even rent a tent for inside camping ;-).

    If anyone is interested, i can add links to images and a short video later.

    Regards, Martin

  • Re:The dark side (Score:3, Interesting)

    by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday January 03, 2005 @01:50PM (#11245922) Homepage Journal
    Without (I hope) getting into a discusiion about which one is better than the other, this is the difference between socialism and capitalism. The former says "we have a problem, let's take away your money to solve it" while the latter says "the market will solve our problems for us by making it cheaper to do things through competition". Clearly every government in existence today is somewhere between the two. Nonetheless, in the American system we are apparently wagering the future of our planet on the idea that the private sector will do our homework for us. Of course, if we're wrong we won't know until it's too late...
  • Re:The dark side (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dpilot ( 134227 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @03:38PM (#11247136) Homepage Journal
    This is a fine line. Some people seem to practically worship capitalism and the free market, without thinking everything through. I could comment more, but have deleted it, for now.

    Let's for the moment assume pure quarter-by-quarter profit motive, with respect to the asteroid issue. In that setting, it will NEVER be worth it for ANY company to solve the problem of detecting and deflecting asteroids or comets. ANY such work comes right off the bottom line, and becomes a competitive disadvantage. Besides, in any given year, or any given decade, or any given century, the probability of an asteroid/comet impact is vanishingly small. So without SOMEONE to say, "Spend at least a little resource on this societal problem," it just won't get done. Period. At the same time, geological history suggests that over some *long* period the Earth does get hit with big rocks, any big hit will end the free market, as we know it, and there's not way to use statistics to say, "It positively won't happen in the next decade or century."

    I believe that there's a balance needed between socialism and capitalism, and too far toward *either* is both wrong and in the long run, detrimental. Isn't raw capitalism simply law-of-the-jungle played out with economic instead of physical force? It took thousands of years of socialization to progress beyond might-makes-right to the rule of Law, and substantial parts of the globe haven't really even gotten there, yet. IMHO the US is currently sliding towards an economic might-makes-right savagery.

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