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Firefox News Roundup 513

Spaceman40 sent in this ZDNet story. PeterPumpkin collects way too many links to Firefox stories: "According to SpreadFirefox.com , there were almost 3 million downloads of Firefox 1.0 in the 5 days since launch, which comes to over 500,000 downloads per day. There are news bites coming out about Firefox everywhere you could possibly imagine. According to a report on MozillaZine, Denmark's largest television channel, TV2, reported on the release of Mozilla Firefox 1.0. PC-WELT, the German equivalent of PC-World, is distributing their own customised version of Firefox to customers." Thomas Hawk writes "Rather than go outside for the past 48 hours, Scott Granneman prefers to burrow in his den and come up with one of the first definitive lists of Firefox links. Good geeking Scott. And way to overcompensate."
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Firefox News Roundup

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  • It is good Press. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @03:59PM (#10834246)
    I guess there are a lot of people who are just tired with IE. Having a tool as well know as a web browser to get all this attention for a v. 1.0 release is pretty amaizing. Normally this type of welcome is reserved for Big Company major version release.

    After the browser war ended the real looser was the consumer because they got a stagnet product. But now with Firefox getting all this press I wouldn't be suprised if IE starts getting its much needed improvements soon.
  • by CdBee ( 742846 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @03:59PM (#10834248)
    And no, I'm not talking in fashion terms. Netscape announced they intend to release a branded version of Firefox.

    It was announced in this posting on MozillaZine [mozillazine.org], and on registering on the link provided, a private forum is available which currently has nothing in it except an announcement that Netscape's Firefox will be available on 30 Nov.

    Looks like it'll have a green custom skin from the (limited) bits of screenshot in the page.
  • Safari is better... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @03:59PM (#10834258)
    But I'm glad to have another browser for Mac now that MSIE has been discontinued (and sucked while it was around).
  • Complete Stats? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by omghi2u ( 808195 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:01PM (#10834277) Journal
    What I'm interested in is:

    Out of the people who downloaded FireFox in this "huge" splurge, how many of them were using either Mozilla or a previous version of FireFox?

    Because I suspect that is a *very* high number.
  • by XeroRIAA ( 643593 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:02PM (#10834293)
    I can't wait to see Microsoft's counter PR to Firefox...

    They'll find some obscure exploit in the Windows versions of Firefox, and blow it way out of proportion. As a bit of irony, I'd wager it'd be an OS-related exploit..
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:05PM (#10834336)
    Can anyone tell me what the deal is with the regular mozilla branch?

    Last time I asked a mozilla developer (like a year ago) they said that mozilla development would continue as a seperate branch and project in parellel with any firefox efforts.

    But now that firefox is blowing up are they still going to spend resources on mozilla?

    Will they some day just make firefox the browser of the mozilla suite? Will they discontinue mozilla suite and split up the projects?

  • by Bombcar ( 16057 ) <racbmob@bo[ ]ar.com ['mbc' in gap]> on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:17PM (#10834509) Homepage Journal
    I want to know when I can buy a copy of the NYT and see my name.
  • by Tribbin ( 565963 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:18PM (#10834518) Homepage
    I downloaded it 1 time for six pc's.

    How about system administrators that install it network-wide?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:18PM (#10834522)
    Firefox on the Mac is a little awkward, mainly because its widgets are Mozilla widgets, not Mac widgets, and the behavior is slightly different. Since everything else on the Mac is pretty well integrated and uses system widgets (very few programs try to provide their own), having different drop-down menus and buttons in web pages feels weird.

    Safari is much more consistent with the rest of the computer's interface. Also, it has some features like SnapBack (jump to the last URL you typed, ie snap back to your starting point) that Firefox doesn't have, and slick things like using the address bar background as the loading status indicator.

    That said, I use Camino, which is the Gecko rendering engine (like Firefox, unlike Safari) but with native widgets & behaviors (unlike Firefox, like Safari).
  • by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:22PM (#10834570) Homepage Journal
    One of my clients has a search engine on his Intranet.

    I showed him how easy it was to put that search engine in the FF search bar. The hardest part was shrinking the corporate logo down to a 16x16 icon - that's how easy it was.

    It's quite easy for companies to roll their own Firefox interface to existing search engines for use by employees and customers.

    Can your Internet Explorer do that?
  • Copy Bug? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:24PM (#10834602)
    I'm having intermittent problems with not being able to copy text off Firefox. This includes text on the address bar as well as text within body of page. Has anyone else had this problem?
  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:26PM (#10834636) Journal
    Well, I can believe that. Remember, Microsoft changed the windowing behaviour of its Office applications so that different documents appear in different windows, as opposed to the same window.

    So, if you have two Word documents open, they appear in two different windows and appear like two seperate instances of Word (although only one instance of the application is actually running). This change was made at the introduction of Office 2000, and I'm sure it's a result of usability feedback from less savvy users who were "losing" their documents when they opened another one, etc.

    Essentially, the change makes it easier to immediately see and switch between all the Word (or Excel, etc) documents that you've got open at any one time but when you have more than a few open it can really clutter the taskbar, hence creating a whole new usability issue.

    Bottom line: I'm sure Microsoft's usability experts regard the windowing behaviour of MSIE as better the way that it is than the way that it could be if they switched to tabbed browsing.

    And, before anyone says brings it up, let me just say that even offering people a choice of tabbed and non-tabbed browsing raises yet more usability issues. You might prefer a tabbed approach, and henc select such an option if it were available, but what happens when your technophobic work colleague needs to use your PC for five minutes? Sometimes, from a software engineering point of view, giving users as few options as possible is the preferable path.
  • by Nijika ( 525558 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:29PM (#10834667) Homepage Journal
    This could be what really, and I mean REALLY, legitimizes open source. I don't know anyone who hasn't heard the well deserved hype about Firefox, and I'm talking people who I wouldn't normally associate with even moderate computer use. Everyone's been talking about it, and not just in our IT techy circles. It almost gives me the creeps. Most under-rated feature IMHO: Bookmarks -> Open In Tabs. I can now NOT live without this.
  • What amazes me... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FFFish ( 7567 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @04:31PM (#10834691) Homepage
    ...is that for at least a half-dozen years that half-million users could have coughed up a measely thirty bucks and had Opera. Five bucks a year for a browser that is fast, small, secure, has tabbed browsing, awesome bookmark management, integrated kickass email, popup blocking, etcetera endless freakin' etcetera.

    I gotta ask: was waiting for "free" worth an extra six years of suffering?

    Myself, I think y'all paid heavily for your reluctance to cough up some pissant cash.
  • by Jens_UK ( 615572 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @05:01PM (#10835159) Journal
    I am the poster child for "guy who needs a new computer", with all 450 MHz supported by a whopping 64 MB of RAM, under Win98SE, and Firefox doesn't crash, regardless of number of tabs open (say ten, eg.). I forget the version, but it's several months old. I don't use my wife's Mozilla much, but it doesn't seem any faster. Firefox's faster than IE and not noticeably slow unless I have mod points on a political story.
  • OT (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Custard ( 587661 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @05:12PM (#10835322) Homepage Journal
    "Firefox fix for slashdot: Ctrl+,Ctrl-"

    Dude, sweet! Any ideas what's wrong with slashcode that causes the display bugs?

    PS. I know this is off topic, so don't waste your mod points...
  • by pclminion ( 145572 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @05:15PM (#10835361)
    In FireFox 1.0 the choice was made to redesign how XPI plugins are cryptographically signed. Suddenly my company's Thawte code signing certificate doesn't want to play ball with FireFox 1.0 (if anyone out there has any information about Thawte certificates, signtool, and FireFox 1.0, PLEASE help me out!) Result? Our plugin won't run under FireFox 1.0 since the browser won't allow the user to install unsigned plugins.

    I really have to ask, what was the motivation for changing the signing protocols AGAIN? And even more importantly, why was it ever decided in the first place to use some nonstandard signing protocol? OpenSSL is already built in to the browser, so why not use standard X.509 certificates and signing procedures?

    The FireFox signtool team has been extremely unhelpful so far. Their responses have been of the "Figure it out yourself, dumbass" type.

    I think that is a terribly counterproductive attitude to have. We are a software company producing specific tools. It is not our business to figure out how the most recent incarnation of Mozilla Signtool works. The end result of all this is that we have to recommend that our customers continue using IE because we can't get the stupid plugin to work under FireFox.

    And believe me, it doesn't make us happy to recommend IE to our users. But so far we have no choice, and the FireFox development team has done nothing to help us. Quite frankly, they seem arrogant.

  • by L0C0loco ( 320848 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @05:19PM (#10835438) Homepage
    I tried Firefox today. Being an Opera7 user, I expected quite a bit and Firefox came up short. Specifically, I miss the scheduled autoupdate of the various tabs. I have several sites I frequent, like slashdot, that I update every 30 minutes. I do it for convienence sake and to throw off the web monitoring my employer does (they update all night long while I'm not at work). I also like to have several tabs visible at the same time (now maybe I just couldn't figure that one out for myself). I do not know what overhead they have in their java(script) use, but animated weather maps I often use were very jerky. It is a lot better than previous versions, but just not quite there yet.

    Submitted using Opera7 (again).
  • by fupeg ( 653970 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @05:30PM (#10835598)
    Gotta disagree with you on this. I used to think the UI on Firefox/OSX sucked, but since 0.8 I think it's pretty good. That was *always* the only thing Safari had going for it over Firefox. Safari's vaunted rendering speed is actually pretty bad. Try out a Javascript speed test [24fun.com] or an image rendering speed test [numion.com] to see for yourself. Safari is significantly slower than Firefox. It does seem to handle image layering manipulation better, but that is it. Everything else is much faster in Firefox. Of course I should point out that Opera (especially the 7.6 beta) is much faster than either.
  • Plugins (Score:4, Interesting)

    by kid_wonder ( 21480 ) <(public) (at) (kscottklein.com)> on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @05:30PM (#10835601) Homepage
    now if only the plugins were updated ... or backwards compatible
  • by grilo ( 694373 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @06:08PM (#10836082)
    Yes. The fact that the UI hangs while rendering a page just makes me puke.

    I used KDE once, and was actually in awe when I used Konqueror, simply because it did not hang while rendering a page.
  • by poningru ( 831416 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @06:20PM (#10836219)
    what the grandparent was talking about is using creating many search plugins and not having to change a registry entry everytime you want to use different searches from the toolbar. So can your Internet Explorer do that?
  • by Castaa ( 458419 ) * on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @06:49PM (#10836503) Homepage Journal
    The San Francisco Chronicle is the largest circulation newspaper in the Bay Area. They wrote a very positive review about FireFox vs. Internet Explorer this week. It was on the front page of Monday's Technology section.

    Internet Explorer has new foe - Firefox 1.0 beats Microsoft browser in several areas
    SF Chronicle Review [sfgate.com]
  • by lawpoop ( 604919 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @07:16PM (#10836756) Homepage Journal
    The American people are so gullible these days, that the current administration is afraid that if they broadcast Bin Laden's message on any news channel, folks will eat it up uncritically, just like they do all the other crap on TV news these days. Thus it will lead to the downfall of this administration
  • by HexaByte ( 817350 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @07:26PM (#10836851)
    Scott doesn't need a 12 step program, he needs some sleep.

    Honestly! He's a member of our local LUG, and he's always doing so much - teaching Linux courses at the community college, writing articles, earning a living, - that he HAS to be going 22 1/2 hours a day!

    Keep up the good work, Scott, and Mrs. G., I would up his life insurance policy.....
  • classic Mic (Score:3, Interesting)

    by geg81 ( 816215 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @08:27PM (#10837436)
    When their competitor comes out with a new product, Microsoft places pre-emptive calls [com.com] to the media trying to preemptively kill their competitor:
    Gary Schare, Microsoft's director of product management for Windows who never writes or calls, told News.com that he and his team were "sharpening pencils" in efforts to get the word out about IE's new security features in the Windows XP Service Pack 2 release.

    That sort of thing is maybe OK for a small startup; it's not OK for Microsoft or other large companies. The only difference to their past behavior is that Microsoft incorrectly thought they had won this battle already. Well, they killed Mozilla, but Mozilla is back from the dead, and once dead, there's no more dying then.
  • by ImpTech ( 549794 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @08:37PM (#10837558)
    > 2) Buggy when lots of tabs are opened - more so than Mozilla. I'd say it crashes around 2x-3x more often than Mozilla. Being careful about how many tabs are open minimizes this, but still - annoying.

    Haven't had crashing issues in years. Well, except for some flash stuff, but I'm pretty sure that has to do with my shady sound drivers.

    > 3) HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE problem shared with Mozilla - the UI is not multithreaded! Ugh. Fucking ridiculous design - I'm fairly sure I saw something in some roadmap somewhere long ago that this would be worked on 'after Moz 1.7/ff 1.0,' but I've not kept up on that. By far the worst problem I face every day with both Moz & FF.

    Are you SURE about this? Mine seems completely responsive all the time. Maybe I just can't find a webpage that'll load slowly enough.

    > Bad Idea for both: turning off the ability of javascripts to change the status bar text also turns off link previewing - ridiculous; those should be two entirely separate things.

    Never, ever, seen that happen. Are you sure you're not smoking crack?

    Admittedly, I'm still using 0.10.1 at home under Linux, but I've got 1.0 at work on Windows, and I'm pretty sure neither do any of the things yours does. One issue I do have is that for some reason the download manager comes up when I do a "Save Image As". I guess its not necessarily a bug, but its dumb and no browser should behave that way.
  • by cuberat ( 549657 ) on Tuesday November 16, 2004 @08:49PM (#10837674)
    The problem is that increased news coverage of terrorist threats/attacks and publicising 'what the villain has to say' increases the number of such attacks. While a cynic could argue that it's in the best interest of the media to encourage conflict and chaos, most editors and news directors would (correctly, I think) consider it immoral to do so. The terrorist mantra is "Kill one to terrorize a thousand," and this is only possible if they have an audience.

    News organizations walk a fine line between covering the news and creating the news in situations like this. Never mind the legitimacy or lack thereof behind terrorist acts; the purpose of this kind of self-censorship is set boundaries on what is legitimate news and what is propaganda. Al-Jazeera has the right to set their own standards, as does Matt Drudge and anyone else who purports to publish "news".

    It all comes down to credibility and how much people can trust you to be taken at your word. The New York Times on its worst day is a more credible source than The Drudge Report because they have different standards for what constitutes "news." And it shows: when Drudge goes off on something, people take it with a grain of salt because he's been wrong before. When the Times says something is important, people take it seriously because they are more credible (this is also why CBS screwing up the Bush-National Guard story is such a big deal). It's the old 'cry wolf' story - spew bs often enough and people won't take you seriously.

    People can rant all they want about Big Media and bias and all that, but they fact is they have standards and are deeply concerned with maintaining their credibility.

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