Free Software Inflates BSA's Piracy Claims 332
crazney writes: "According to this article in The Age, the BSA do not count the effect of free software when calculating piracy rates. The article suggests that free software has made piracy statistics look worse and hence encourages governments to create harsher laws ... Could someone pass The BSA a cluebat?"
Thats because the BSA isn't out to serve you... (Score:5, Insightful)
Tobacco companies fund studies that find that Ciggarette smoking is less dangerous than playing golf in a thunderstorm, the BSA fudges facts to make Pirates seem like the scum of the Earth. The music industry and the 'software' industry have yet to realize that inflated prices lead to inflated piracy. Personally, i'm of the mind that if you make money with software, you should purchase that software. Some companies are alright with this as well, think of the thousands of script kiddies with their pirated versions of photoshop, they were never going to buy it in the first place.. Adobe cares about that printshop, or the graphics design place.. and most of these places wouldn't touch a pirated version of Photoshop with a ten-foot pole. They don't need the BSA to police them, at best the BSA makes a huge hassle, people decide that paying thousands of dollars a year to Microsoft for a site license is insane and switch to something free, many times open-source. Their draconian policies and scare tactics have probably won more converts than a slick red hat ad.
Go BSA! (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not sure how all this adds up (Score:5, Insightful)
"We ask respondents to choose from a very long list of specific software titles, reporting which ones they regularly use. This means we identify Microsoft Word versus, say, WordPerfect," says Metafacts principal analyst Dan Ness.
Open-source competitors are not included as alternatives, he says.
So, do they assume that because x% of users say they don't have a licenced copy of one of Word/WordPerfect/etc, then some percent of this percentage MUST have an unlicenced copy of one of the above? What about people who just don't use Word Processors, or Spreadsheets, or whatever? Seems to be some fishy maths going on here! The article doesn't clarify what's going on.
Re:From the BSA homepage... (Score:2, Insightful)
It's interesting that, while they make the potentially valid point that a proliferation of free software might discourage local software industries from developing, they've completely missed the reasons behind this.
If these software companies went ahead and produced software that was better than the available free software -- that is, actually worth the cost of ownership over the free software -- then they would probably sell copies. As it is, it sounds like the BSA is saying that decent, respectable software companies aren't able to get away with hawking mediocre products, because the evil free software developers are producing software that's as good or better, and giving it away! Well, boo hoo.
Incidentally, this quote's a keeper: "free software, which is often manufactured by organized criminals". Classic.
Don't be surprised... (Score:5, Insightful)
that they didn't factor in Open Source. It would have lessened their argument, and it's bad enough as is. Besides, piracy figures from the BSA and similar bodies have always been - at most - one notch above reading tea-leaves.
Re:Go BSA! (Score:2, Insightful)
Insightful my ass. 90% of HOME users may use copied Microsoft Office, but they do that to use WORK documents which are created on LICENSED Microsoft Office.
If the world's offices used StarOffice, that's what people would run at home.
It is absolute bunkum to suggest that piracy is helping MS be successful on the desktop. MS being successfuly on the desktop may be helping piracy, but that's the total opposite.
Re:Statistics (Score:2, Insightful)
is this "steps to profit" the next lame replacement for "imagine a beowulf cluster of these"
- HeXa
Napster?!? (Score:4, Insightful)
BSA is a business (Score:2, Insightful)
Thus the BSA will generate stories and statistics that ensure it's continued existance.
BSA is not that different from many commercial organisations.
Here's one (Score:3, Insightful)
Have someone inform BSA that the FSF office is actually using pirated word processors for all their work. Let them ask for an audit, and try to force the matter. Immediate self-lart, with lots of publicity for both parts!
Isn't this good? (Score:2, Insightful)
please everyone remember... (Score:5, Insightful)
And this company is paid to make money for the companies that pay them. Of course they are lying about how much piracy is happening. Of course they publish false and misleading information about the amount of money lost due to piracy. Of course they include linux, BSD, Open BeOS, Samba, Open office, Abiword, Gimp and everything else that is 100% free AND popular in their numbers. It inflates them and makes the lies they publish previousally look even better.
Remember the Business Software Alliance is nothing more than a paid extortion racket. If they threaten your company you should never let them in without a judge-signed search warrant.
They ARE NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY! Unlike OSHA who is, they have ZERO legal power and ZERO rights above what you have. Fight the bastards and make them spend their money to get in your building, and then be sure to sue for lost revinue, destruction of property, and public defamation.
Thank you, This post is brought to you by the Council to stop freeware piracy. "Remember every time you pirate a freeware program you hurt...Ummm... well you hurt someone!"
Re:Harsh (Score:3, Insightful)
What about the risk of getting busted? Some part-time employee installing pirated software can cause the company to pay huge fines or even go under.
Again, when do studies start to calculate these risks in?
Re:Harsh (Score:4, Insightful)
Then you're one hundred percent in the wrong. When you're an organisation you should be keeping detailed records (after all you probably do when it concerns money owed to you).
In that case, since you're an expert as to what organizations do, I'm sure that you have proof of purchase for every piece of office furniture that you have in your office, don't you?
After all, by your logic, if the Office Furniture Alliance comes and does an audit, and finds that you're missing the proof of purchase for that one file cabinet in the small office that nobody uses, then somebody must have stolen it, right? Because if you can't prove you own every piece of furniture, you're one hundred percent in the wrong. When you're an organisation you should be keeping detailed records (after all you probably do when it concerns money owed to you).
Re:Thats because the BSA isn't out to serve you... (Score:1, Insightful)
Yeah it should have fucking gone.
software companies need to be paid and you cannot pirate or steal their work.
You're right, I cannot "PIRATE" or "STEAL" their work because it's not piracy OR theft. It's called copyright infringement, get it right.
Script kiddies are far from their minds. /. story numbnutz.
Really? Then why are they including them in all their statistics?! Bullshit, they count every single mofucka out there who is using any kind of software unpaid for INCLUDING free software. Thats the title of this
Using someone else's software without compensation is stealing.
Again, No, it's not. It's called copyright infringement and the fact that you're DYING to associate it with a more serious activity does not impress me. In fact it makes you very suspect in my mind.
I know many of you reading this are college students who are poor and are scoffing at this but realize that hundreds of programmers at these software companies need a paycheck.
HAH! you shouldn't be including poor college students either since we can't afford any software. Don't preach to me buddy. No, I don't "realize programmers need a paycheck". If the stuff they are doing isn't cutting it in the market and isn't profitable, that's not my fault and i don't wanna pay software taxes to support unsound buisness models. No company DESERVES to be paid. Programmers deserve to be paid by their company, not by me. If their company is an unsound buisness, they better look for other employment.
How would you like it if your employer only partially compensated you for writing code?
I wouldn't, and I would get another job and sue the fuck out of them. Don't blame the general public when you don't pay your staff buddy.
All that the BSA does is make sure the software companies are adequately compensated for their particular licenses. /. story. They LIE like a mufucka. They lobby for laws that I wouldn't wish on anyone. They blackmail companies. They get court warrants at the drop of a hat to force themselves in your buisness.
NO, that's not all they do. Read the fucking
They do not have the intention of ripping off the public.
CHRIST almighty! Ripping off the public is what they do, it's their job and if they could do it any better they would be in heaven. Ripping off the public is the ultimate goal for ALL corporate greeders.
If you think its too expensive or the license is outrages, then don't buy it. Purchase Linux or cheaper alternatives.
AMEN! that's what this story is all about. Most of us do this here! Not only that but we're pissed because we get fudged into counting as copyright infringers in the BSA's statistics.
On another note, comments like the one I'm replying to are a prime example of marketing. And for the BSA no less. *shrugs* I just wanna remind /.'ers to keep their eyes open and think for themselves.
Re:I'm not sure how all this adds up (Score:2, Insightful)
-Craig
Re:Harsh (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyway, I think you took my response a little too literally. I was trying to point out the absurdity of having some outside agency assume that if you can't prove you bought something, than you must have stolen it. Because that's what the BSA does on a routine basis. The Government is bound by this silly notion that you are innocent until proven guilty; luckily for us, in the BSA's world, we're all guilty of theft until we can prove we've bought every tool, chair, and pencil. I feel so much safer now.
I have no sympathy for business who try to cut corners by engaging in mass copyright infringement. But the BSA often goes too far in the other direction, and treats well-meaning businesses who are trying to comply with the rules with the same hardball tactics as the businesses who don't care about licensing.
Yes, we do have proof . . . (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft's Free-Software Dichotomy (Score:4, Insightful)
They're driving IT departments toward free software. Self-defeating in other words, particularly considering today's economy and business climate, where IT budgets are not faring well.
Re: um actually they are, I know.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:The Exception (Score:4, Insightful)
Many third world countries have no copyright law, and so discussions of piracy are totally inappropriate there. Without copyright there is no piracy, regardless of what is actually happening. This is another way that the BSA, et al, distort the truth of piracy. They list all this activity going on in countries that have no copyright law and call it piracy.
Anyway, just a thought I figured I should throw into the mix.