Worst Buy 1037
Cutriss writes "Steve Lynch of Hypothermia has been running a consumer awareness page following of an Internet pricing disagreement between Best Buy and over 2000 angry customers, where Best Buy refused to honor a web-only sale price of a GeForce4 Ti 4600 for $129.99, at a "Special pre-order price". The situation has escalated further - Rod Hill, Store Manager for Best Buy #513 in Tucker/Dekalb County, GA, had a customer arrested on Friday of last week, citing Fraud and Criminal Trespassing. Hill informed police that Abraham Cherian, an Indian American, was trying to rip off the store, the same store that had conceded to give another customer his video card as requested 10 days earlier. Best Buy is now apparently red-flagging inquiring troublemak^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcustomers who attempt to obtain their purchased cards from Best Buy locations." FWIW, if the description of what happened is accurate, Best Buy has entered into a binding contract to sell the cards at the advertised price, and if they don't want to honor it, the people affected should take them to court (or contact their local Attorney General's office, which is what they appear to be doing). It's Best Buy's obligation to make sure their prices are accurate.
Kodak and others (Score:4, Insightful)
Disclaimer? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sigh. (Score:4, Insightful)
... and what exactly does that last part matter for?
Future Shop (Score:2, Insightful)
I had a friend who worked in the complaints department, he was REALLY busy.
The police sided with the customer. (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not that bad... the police sided with the guy, saying the manager shouldn't have done that. Seems like they're doing just what they should, in this case. Best Buy are being assholes about it, and they're getting slapped for it. No news here.
Re:Cowboys and Indians (Score:3, Insightful)
in all, it is just stooopid that ethinicity plays any part b/c labels are not what is at point here.
Bad Buy (Score:4, Insightful)
If what has been reported is true about the Indian American being arrested for trying to get his GF4 at the low price. That is a whole new story. Reading up at Hypothermia and the HardOCP Forums [hardforum.com] it seems so. After some of my experiences at Best Buy, and all this nonsense over the GF4 they are definately on My List. This story about arresting a guy over what happened is just the icing on the cake.
What exactly happened still seems a bit unclear, and we should probably what for Best Buy's response, but it really doesn't surprise me that Best Buy acted this way. Their company cultrue seems to foster turning employees into assholes. IMHO, of course.
Re:Disclaimer? (Score:5, Insightful)
So the question now (probably) becomes : Does Best Buy really have the right to arbitrarily change the price on any item you purchase, just because the disclaimer says so?
Better Business Bureau? (Score:2, Insightful)
Hmmm ... 2000+ calls may do something about the problem.
Re:Cowboys and Indians (Score:5, Insightful)
"He's not white, so he must be guilty your honor!"
I'm "white," but I do like it when officers that are required to uphold the law know what are important facts from the details. Sometimes police scare me. That guy shouldn't have made it past the interviews for a "security guard," not to mention a police officer. Sounds racist to me if I have seen it.
Re:oh really? (Score:3, Insightful)
I think it's a pretty fine line, not a blatant misunderstanding on the part of the poster. Don't be so critical - there's a real issue at stake, here.
Or, to sum up Best Buy's mistake in Fortune Cookie wisdom
Measure twice, cut once.
Damn right! (Score:2, Insightful)
This statement is 100% correct. The store manager in Dekalb who had that man arrested should in turn be arrested and sued for false arrest. When I worked for The Home Depot a few years back here in Macon, one of our signs for a 24 foot fiberglass ladder (nice ladder) was priced $100 too low. We honored it without any problems. Why? Two reasons: 1) it was our fault, and 2) it's the law.
Companies that don't honor advertised prices (whether it was an honest mistake or not) are obligated to sell the merchandise at that price. This is not '$199.95 or best offer', this is '$199.95'.
Re:Disclaimer? (Score:2, Insightful)
It's arbitraty discrimination about who does and doesn't get a card that may get them in trouble here.
--Sokie
Re:WRONG (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Disclaimer? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Now is a good time to boycott Best Buy... (Score:2, Insightful)
If you're gonna boycott Best Buy, do it because of something more legitimate than an article claiming the arrest of this guy is racist.
Re:Bad Buy (Score:3, Insightful)
Their company cultrue seems to foster turning employees into assholes.
You'd be an asshole too if you worked register there. I have never been in a best buy where each register didn't have at least two people waiting in line. I've stopped shopping there since twice they've had register wait times of over 15 minutes or more.
You'd think that they'd know how bad that is for thier buisness - half of what I bought in Best Buy was impulse buys. You make me wait that long and the impulse fades - I set my 'best buy' on the counter and go see a movie instead.
Re:Out of the woodwork :) (Score:5, Insightful)
Web pricing mistakes (Score:3, Insightful)
Personally, my attitude is that if you try to get a sweet deal that you know might be a mistake, don't bitch if it doesn't pan out.
That said, what Best Buy did wrong here was to:
I don't think it's ridiculous that Best Buy refuses to lose $200 on each misprice, but that they go out of their way to make the customers suffer for it is way out of line.
Look. (Score:2, Insightful)
The manager saw a guy coming in with a receipt that did not match any price he knew about for the item, including the price on the website at that time.. so he thought it was fake... ergo, the customer was trying to rip them off with a fake receipt for a web order.
Yes, that same manager gave someone the item at the real price 10 days ago.. that's almost 2 weeks of business. How is he supposd to remember every item he signs for?
And why play the race card? Who cares if he's Indian American.
Re:Disclaimer? -- yeah, but.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Fraud is not protected speech, period. False advertising is a form of fraud, as it is an attempt to "trick" the buying public by promising goods or services in a misleading way.
False advertising is very difficult to prove, however. Errors and unintentional ommisions are protected as just that, accidents. In order to win a false advertising suit you have to prove malicious intent.. and that's very very difficult to do.
I'm not really sure what occured in this case. It seems like Best Buy made a listing error, and then refused to honor. That would put them well within their legal rights.
IANAL (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wrongful detention? (Score:3, Insightful)
"General Manager" Rod is going to be very sorry!
Re:What's even more disturbing... (Score:2, Insightful)
So... if the typo occured when the price was actually listed, then you could call the customer reps 600 times and they would all give you the same price.
What is more interesting to me is that this did seem like some kind of specially designed promotion. I don't know if the 200 dollar off quote is something that is generated by their pricing system (its not uncommon for the suggested retail price and the offering price to be compared and presented to the reps for sale purposes) or if it was part of a really botched promotional campaign that best buy realized was a big mistake, just to late. That to me is the meat of the question.
Re:Best Buy = Best Fraud (Score:2, Insightful)
It's like that at almost any store
I called them, I encourage you to to the same... (Score:1, Insightful)
I told them that they have lost a customer and that I will be telling everyone I know about this issue and encouraging them to boycott all BestBuy stores. I told that that I will continue to encourage others to boycott until Best Buy:
1) Offers an immediate and formal apology from the president of their company to Abraham Cherian. It should be prominently displayed on the front page of their website and be accompanied with a press release.
2) Contacts the Tucker/Dekalb county law Public Safety Department responsible for the arrest and instructs them to drop all changes against Abraham Cherian.
3) Properly honor all existing valid orders for the disputed card.
4) Immediately terminate Rod Hill's employment at Best Buy #513
5) Immediately terminate the employment of any manager above Rod Hill who may have instructed employees to take the kind of action Rod Hill took.
I hope that Abraham Cherian has already spoken to an attorney and is perusing both Best Buy and the county for the improper handling of this incident. I suspect he won't need the discount after this series of events.
Few things you should do now (Score:5, Insightful)
First off, get a lawyer. Once of the nice ambulence chasing kind. If they like the case, and they probably will, they should do it for a split of the settlement. Of course nothing is ever sure in the court system, but juries are generally sympathetic to cases of consumers suing big corperations for being assholes.
Next, I would talk to your DA about possable criminal charges against the manager. It sounds like he knowling lied to the police to have you arrested, and that's illegal.
Finally continue to do what you are doing now, which is to spread the word. Bad press hurts the company immensly.
Re:But is this really a surprise? (Score:2, Insightful)
More Best Buy Shennanigans (Score:4, Insightful)
Here's another data point to consider, a story about how Best Buy [die.net] gave a customer a hard time, apparently, for buying something besides their top-of-the-line sattelite system.
I know it's going to be years before I make a purchase from Best Buy [die.net] again...they're going to have go to a very long way to recover my confidence as a customer. Issuing a formal apology to their customers would be a start.
Re:Out of the woodwork :) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sigh. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The police sided with the customer. (Score:3, Insightful)
Uh no. They didn't need to cuff him. That was completely unnecessary.
You cuff someone if they're dangerous. He was being completely calm, and the cops could see that. So putting him in cuffs was definitely going overboard.
Once, when I was in my early teens (but I was 6' tall) I punched a sign in a park in Lakeport, CA. A cop (and member of the SWAT team) cuffed me and put me in the front of the car without sliding the seat back; So I was bent over in the FRONT seat with my hands behind my back, bent over so far that my face was about a foot from the dash, because I would otherwise not fit into the car.
Now, I want to tell you that this cop is a bad cop; He's known for predjudice, and for getting into the pants of someone's underage daughter. The guy's in his thirties, mind you, AND A COP. So one hopes that he's atypical...
What's the point of all this crap? He had no right to treat me that way, especially since I did no damage to the sign (of course he claimed that I was the cause of a 2" crack in the wooden sign, which was BEHIND a piece of plexiglass) but he did anyway, and he got away with it. Don't start making excuses and allowances for cops because some of them are DEFINITELY bad guys. This asshole was one of them, and he's still a cop.
We should hold our peace officers to a higher standard of behavior than anyone else in our society. Otherwise, the entire law enforcement system becomes one that is founded on hypocrisy.
Once money changes hands, the contract is final (Score:5, Insightful)
People who never paid for this "special" pre-order don't have the same rights; they can't force BestBuy to honor the mistake (legally speaking).
Re:Sickening (Score:1, Insightful)
After they attacked settlements on "their" land, that they sold "us" (see above).
After they raped, tortued, kidnapped, and otherwise terrorized "our" families.
It was an ugly time, and no one is perfect, no one is the good guy. "They" just lost the ugly fight.
Re:Disclaimer? (Score:3, Insightful)
Does Best Buy really have the right to arbitrarily change the price on any item you purchase, just because the disclaimer says so?
Is anyone really stating that they are arbitrarily doing this? Someone made an error. They don't want to have to honor erroreous prices, which in this case would cost them over half a million dollars for the 2000 customers that placed orders. They are also canceling before the products were shipped.
Racism? (Score:3, Insightful)
Out of curiosity, the linked article seems to think (on the basis of no evidence they mention) that your ethnicity played a role on this. You don't mention any such thing here. Any idea where that insinuation came from?
Anyway, while I know there are two sides to every story, you seem like a class act and it sounds like you were really treated shabbily. I wouldn't blame you if you sued the pants off Best Buy.
Thank God for the police... (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe a little O/T, but everyone please notice that the police in this instance behaved completely properly throughout the situation, to the point of empathizing with this gentleman.
With the cops, when they fsck up, everyone's on their back. Nobody notices when the system works, and it appears to be working well here.
As for Best Buy, get a good lawyer who'll work for a split of the rewards for such harrassing behavior, and drain them dry.
Make sure you get your GeForce4 out of it, too. Make that manager hand it to you himself.
Re:Disclaimer? -- yeah, but.... (Score:3, Insightful)
So what is BB's real defense here? Maybe, "there couldn't have been a meeting of minds because we are mindless"?
Re:Out of the woodwork :) (Score:5, Insightful)
You need to sue on behalf of every wronged customer on the planet. You need to sue for triple damages based on the humiliation you suffered. You need to sue for wrongful arrest based on the false charges. You need to sue for illegal detainment. You need to sue for them being arrogant assholes.
If people want to run a public business that's great. But there are laws the govern the operation of public businesses. Therefore those laws must be followed in order to continue running a public business.
"Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. Just for emphasis, I will repeat it several times. "Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. "Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. "Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. "Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. "Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. "Disclaimers" and "EULAs" do NOT supercede the law. Only a signed waiver can remove someone from their lawful responsibilities and even that may not be enough.
So how much should you sue for? $1M minimum. Maybe you won't get it... who knows... maybe it'll be $1M in store credit
SUE THOSE BASTARDS. You have to. DO NOT SETTLE out of court. DO NOT SIGN any agreements to "keep quiet" in exchange for money. It doesn't matter if the amount you sue for is more than you could have hoped to earn in two lifetimes. The point is to damage THEM, not to reward yourself. A company the size of Best Buy will not feel $90,000. It wouldn't even make their lawyers blink...let alone any of their accountants. Make it hurt to a level that will send a message to Best Buy and all other abusive retailers out there that each time they pull some crap like this, they run a serious risk not only of bad P.R. but of losing a whole lot of money.
I'll be happy for you and very jealous when you collect your rewards, but the reward is not what you're suing for -- it's the damages. If they are not damaged by this, then you've lost... we've all lost.
Okay?
(Am I being too passionate about this? Nah.)
Re:What's going on with all this . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
My guess? Sept. 11th.
Re:Future Shop (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Cowboys and Indians (Score:3, Insightful)
The "Indians" were here first, and the only reason they weren't called "Americans" was because some white guy couldn't read a map or take a look around him to see that he wasn't in India.