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Slashback: Matrix, Terminology, Topology

Posted by timothy on Thu Dec 04, 2003 06:59 PM
from the wild-duck-on-planet-nandor dept.
Slashback is back from a Thanksgiving hiatus with a bigger-than-usual collection of updates, corrections and followups to previous Slashdot stories, including pretty maps of the Internet, spammers' OS choices, stupidity in the wild, and more. Read on for the details.
Of course, Red Hat didn't claim to be the first ... cmeyer writes in response to the news that Red Hat is expected to attain Common Criteria certification. "Linux achieved the first Common Criteria certification back in the beginning of August. It was a joint effort of IBM and SUSE." He points to this August Slashdot posting about the news and to a press release on SUSE's site.

Well, it's robust, stable and handy for networking tasks ... Linux and Unix users may be justifiably smug about our machines' resistance to viruses and trogans (including ones that send spam), since most of these things are aimed at Microsoft Windows. Maybe it should be no surprise that spammers like Linux, too:

Niels Provos writes "You might remember Honeyd? I have been using it since June to capture spam emails in an attempt to better understand how spammers operate. A recent feature in Honeyd is passive fingerprinting which allows Honeyd to passively identify the operating system that contacts it. For spammers, it turns out that about 43% seem to be running Linux. And mostly Unix, Windows ranks at around 0.7%. The unknown fraction is 52%, so there might be surprises lurking there."

Apple products must be ripened before consumption. Ipodlounge.com editor Dennis Lloyd was one of several readers to note that, rather than the November date named in the recent 2-year iPod retrospective in the New York Times, the device came out just a bit earlier. "The iPod's anniversary was in October ;) The iPod was officially launched on Oct. 23, 2001. The NYT article is incorrect."

May the tide be with you. Doc Searls writes: "Thought I'd direct your attention to the first half of a transcription of the talk Linus gave on the September Geek Cruise that got Slashdotted a few weeks ago. Can't find the link to the Slashdot item, but as i recall it didn't have the benefit of a real transcription." (Here's the Slashdot post about the cruise.) "This one is not only a full transcription (by yours truly, all disclaimers apply), but features pix of his slides and demos as well."

Searls also has up the second part: "That's the Q&A, which is even longer than the prepared part of the talk," as well as the third: "The third part is a transcription of a talk Linus and others gave to the Victoria Linux Users Group. Shorter than the first two."

Searls' three-part report on the cruise itself ran in Linux Journal.

This way to the Egress! Rick Chapman, author of the recently reviewed In Search of Stupidity , writes to point out that book excerpts are available at insearchofstupdity.com, along with some of the book's illustrations.

"Also, I recently was interviewed live on a local CT business show and I've had the session digitized and am mounting on the site today. It runs about 45 minutes and I discuss a lot of the stuff in the book as well as other issues revolving around software marketing and development. ... I have a lot of samples of really bad things I brought to the taping and I think you'll get a kick out of the session."

They should sell nice prints to buy bandwidth. An anonymous reader writes "From the New Scientist article: A project to create a comprehensive graphical representation of the Internet in just one day and using only a single computer has already produced some eye-catching images."

Back pedal, back pedal, baker's man, cover that label with tape if you can. Mr. Slippery writes "According to this Yahoo! News story, L.A. County did not ban the use of 'master' and 'slave' in labeling, but made more of a polite request to vendors. A subtle but important distinction.

'"I do understand that this term has been an industry standard for years and years and this is nothing more than a plea to vendors to see what they can do," said Joe Sandoval, division manager of purchasing and contract services. "It appears that some folks have taken this a little too literally."' (As, perhaps, did those who got offended in the first place...)"

The original memo called Master and Slave labels "not acceptable" -- how non-literally can that be taken? -- and as further news stories have reported, was prompted by an employee's workplace discrimination complaint against the city. That sounds to me like more than a polite request. At least the city has found that a little tape is enough to make the world safe from misinterpreted words.

I bet Bill is a better actor than Keanu. Karma Sucks writes "After some embarrassing PR backlash it seems as if Microsoft is clamping down on distribution of pictures or videos related to the Matrix Spoof that featured Linux and Windows at COMDEX. Even more interesting are the reports that Microsoft is systematically scouting Open Source desktop technology."

And this is what percentage of the industry's profits? dlh writes "Boston.com is reporting that a federal judge Thursday approved a $143 million settlement of a lawsuit that accused major record companies and large music retailers of conspiring to set minimum music prices."

Time to get a new watch. Krellis writes "DynDNS.org, a major dynamic DNS provider, has announced that they will shut off access to any customers using the Linksys WRT54G wireless router to update their service on December 8th unless the router is patched. See the story on ExtremeTech and the DynDNS Press Release for more details. Updated firmware can be downloaded from Linksys."

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  • Linux and Spammers (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rf0 (159958) * <rghf@fsck.me.uk> on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:01PM (#7634479)
    (http://www.a2b2.com/)
    Well taking that things like sendmail can send 1,000,000 mails and hour with the right spec its not overally surprising as they platform is quick and stable. Of course all spammers should be spit roasted.

    Hmm spitroastedspammers.com

    Rus
    • Re:Linux and Spammers by Oopsz (Score:1) Thursday December 04 2003, @07:05PM
    • 52% by conner_bw (Score:3) Thursday December 04 2003, @07:10PM
    • Re:Linux and Spammers by Neo-Rio-101 (Score:2) Thursday December 04 2003, @07:12PM
    • to be the explanation for the 43% of upstream spam sources. You have people installing older versions of Linux with everything enabled, then bungling the configuration turning it into a mail relay. For a person new to configuring sendmail, postfix, qmail, or whatever, you sort of enter a discovery phase where you make changes to the conf files, restart it, and see if you can send mail yet.
      And you stop, pat yourself on the back, and don't change anything when it starts working. But what if that change was that got it to work was, well, relay for all? Whoops.

      Then there's the unpatched systems that get r00ted and turned into spam zombies.

      I don't think the spammers are installing linux that much. (At least not the BIG ones, and they may be knowledgable/paranoid enough to go with OpenBSD or something) The majority probably got some Alienware rig bought off a stolen CC, running a cracked 2003 server. It's just that they offload the mail to some other cracked Unix host to do the work. That doesn't surprise me.
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      • Re:My money's on misconfigured sendmail installati by NineNine (Score:1) Thursday December 04 2003, @07:57PM
      • by t0ny (590331) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:39PM (#7635172)
        I don't think the spammers are installing linux that much. (At least not the BIG ones, and they may be knowledgable/paranoid enough to go with OpenBSD or something) The majority probably got some Alienware rig bought off a stolen CC, running a cracked 2003 server. It's just that they offload the mail to some other cracked Unix host to do the work. That doesn't surprise me.

        I doubt that. Spammers hire very tech-savy people, and I would imagine they also pay them very well. The 'dark side', indeed.

        Honestly, it doesnt surprise me that spammers are using Linux; they dont have to concern themselves with licensing issues, it gives them better profit margins, better remote management (especially when most spammer's have their operations outside the USA), etc.

        Also, I find it curious that you claim the majority of Linux servers which are doing the spam are 'compromised' systems. That would basically make MS machines the safest ones on the net, if we go by the article's statistics...

        [ Parent ]
    • Re:Linux and Spammers (Score:4, Funny)

      by An Onerous Coward (222037) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:06PM (#7634952)
      (http://www.cs.utah.edu/~andersbr/)
      Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?

      Yep, time to start rewriting SpamAssassin as a kernel patch.
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    • Re:Linux and Spammers by jr416de (Score:1) Thursday December 04 2003, @09:19PM
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  • They should sell prints... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Space cowboy (13680) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:02PM (#7634487)
    (Last Journal: Friday April 27 2007, @02:20PM)
    They *do* sell prints. There's a part of the FAQ all about how you can use them for wallpaper, and, er, that's it.

    Not that I have anything against that - they're very pretty, and they're entitled to sell them as much as they want :-)

    Simon
  • Internet topology (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:06PM (#7634517)
    OK, the pics are great, but I'm not an expert in networking nor in internet topology... IP addresses have 4 dimensions but all internet topology pics seem to be in 3 dimensions with brightness showing the density... how are 4D addresses converted to 3D? Or are the internet topology maps spacial 2D traffic (the earth being, more-or-less, a curved plane which can be represented in 2D) projected on a sphere?

    I would be very grateful if anyone could point me in te right direction.

    • Re:Internet topology (Score:5, Informative)

      by hattmoward (695554) <zorrak@d u c t a p e . net> on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:22PM (#7634640)
      (http://hattmoward.org/)
      The maps aren't connected in terms of IP addresses as coordinates. It's a map of the links between hosts and networks. Very basically, they are doing traceroute/tracert to hosts and each host that gets mentioned is one dot, and it is connected to the hosts before and after it. If you haven't used traceroute before, run traceroute or tracert in a command window with a host name. The shorter one is used in windows. So to see the hops involved in talking to my website, you would run "tracert hattmoward.org"
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    • Re:Internet topology by timeOday (Score:2) Thursday December 04 2003, @10:28PM
  • by Bryan_W (649785) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:09PM (#7634540)
    (Last Journal: Thursday May 12 2005, @08:46PM)
    "It appears that some folks have taken this a little too literally."
    It gives new meaning to the term "Hard Disk"
  • Mirror (Score:5, Funny)

    by Sophrosyne (630428) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:09PM (#7634547)
    (http://homepage.mac.com/ryanrafferty/)
    Anyone have a mirror or bitorrent for Bill Gates Matrix spoof?
  • Trogans? (Score:5, Funny)

    by CyberSlugGump (609485) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:10PM (#7634551)

    I guess Linux is resistant to those dreaded "spell checkers," too.
    • Re:Trogans? by DeborahArielPickett (Score:2) Thursday December 04 2003, @07:38PM
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  • by phorm (591458) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:16PM (#7634600)
    (http://phorm.phormix.com/ | Last Journal: Monday May 19 2003, @12:08PM)
    And this is what percentage of the industry's profits

    Probably quite considerably less than they've managed to milk people for by conpiring to artificially inflate prices and create an illegal monopoly in the first place. What is the average annual profit of the RIAA?
  • When I saw that map of the Internet (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MsGeek (162936) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:17PM (#7634606)
    (http://www.msgeek.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:30PM)
    I could only think of one thought..."My God! It's full of stars!"

    Gorgeous. It's on one of my KDE desktops now.
    • Re:When I saw that map of the Internet by rf0 (Score:2) Thursday December 04 2003, @07:23PM
      • by pantherace (165052) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:51PM (#7634833)
        there are bus, star, mesh & ring topolgies, both of which are created by links between 2 locations. (ex computer to hub)

        Bus is for most things the worst, because everyone shares one connection, to everyone else.
        Ring topologies (think token ring) pass things through the intermediate computers, and take reduce the bandwidth to each.
        Star is by far the most common, and is arguably the best, because each computer has the full bandwidth available to it, to talk to other computers, presuming of course that each of them isn't already saturated. Hubs are examples of star network topologies.
        Mesh topologies are very interesting. Seen on high performance clusters, where each computer can hit another with a jump or two (token ring like) when directly connected, or in wifi. Wireless mesh networks (rare, and usually rather custom & experemental currently) act in a way similar to a star network for the most part, but if something is out of range it contacts a node that can see it's target, and passes the information (or a series of nodes). I would really, really like to see a standard supporting this over all OSes. Currently most setups I have seen on the internet require an all (patched) linux setup to work, but can have other clients connect to it.

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    • Gorgeous by dpilot (Score:2) Thursday December 04 2003, @09:20PM
  • Don't ban the Matrix! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Neop2Lemus (683727) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:19PM (#7634615)
    (Last Journal: Monday December 26 2005, @12:11AM)
    No! They're banning the Mircrosoft Matrix?!

    But it was better than either of the "official" Matrix equals

  • Political correctness (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:20PM (#7634619)
    The original memo called Master and Slave labels "not acceptable"

    Help! Help! I'm being opressed!
  • That's what I'm Tolkien about (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dswensen (252552) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:21PM (#7634631)
    (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday April 26 2006, @05:27PM)
    Mr. Slippery writes "According to this Yahoo! News story, L.A. County did not ban the use of 'master' and 'slave' in labeling, but made more of a polite request to vendors. A subtle but important distinction.

    Now see... a lot of Slashdot folk, when they say "too much time on their hands," they're talking about G4s being made into aquariums, or dropping thousands of rubber balls down a stairwell, or ganging up to kill an unkillable Everquest monster, or something.

    When I think of "too much time on their hands" I think of these people.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:23PM (#7634650)
    Greetings Slashdot Friends,

    We've been extended a very generous bandwidth offer that will greatly benefit our project. However we're now also looking for a beefier box to run this stuff on.

    We have made some "under the hood" technology changes and now have this theoretically scanning the entire net in 13 hours, leaving approximately 11 hours for rendering the image.

    We're looking to either raise enough capital to purchase a 2-4 way machine with 4GB ram, or have a nice vendor (*cough* dell, HP/Compaq, Apple, etc) step up and donate one for us.

    We should have T-Shirts and other paraphernalia ready to purchase sometime in the next week or so. If the machine donation doesn't come through, we'll take the cash from the merchandise sales to pay for it.

    Thank you again everyone for your interest, your participation, and most of all your support.

    -= The OPTE Team =-
    http://www.opte.org
    Efnet IRC: #opte
    press@opte.org
  • Spam (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Kelz (611260) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:32PM (#7634714)
    "For spammers, it turns out that about 43% seem to be running Linux. And mostly Unix, Windows ranks at around 0.7%. The unknown fraction is 52%, so there might be surprises lurking there."

    Windows=more anonymous then?
  • by stroustrup (712004) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:33PM (#7634719)
    (Last Journal: Sunday October 05 2003, @05:43PM)
    Even more interesting are the reports that Microsoft is systematically scouting Open Source desktop technology.
    From Dictionary.com

    scout
    ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skout) v. scouted, scouting, scouts v. tr. 1. To spy on or explore carefully in order to obtain information; reconnoiter. 2. To observe and evaluate (a talented person), as for possible hiring.

    ...or further down the page
    To reject with disdain or derision. See Synonyms at despise.
  • Internet Pic. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Johnathon_Dough (719310) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:41PM (#7634770)
    I wonder at their use of a sphere to represent the internet, as the sphere has definite boundries.

    Perhaps a toroid? or some other more esoteric geometrical shape that can at least imply an infinite loop.

    Their picture makes it look like there is a "center" (although I guess a case could be made for their computer creating the image as the center)

  • by SEE (7681) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:44PM (#7634785)
    (http://jargon-file.org/)
    Love your computer. [blissbox.com]
  • by preric (689159) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:49PM (#7634824)
    I watched the first half, which was funny (but not what microsoft intended for me to find amusing), but it ends (apparently when he's asked to shut his camera off) at the introduction of Bill Gates. Can someone who was there sumarize the remainder of the 'spoof'?
  • Master and Slave (Score:1)

    by GuanoBoy (196948) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:54PM (#7634845)
    (Last Journal: Thursday December 08 2005, @01:47PM)
    In May, a black employee of the Probation Department filed a discrimination complaint..."This individual felt that it was offensive and inappropriate ... given the experiences that this country has gone through in respect to slavery,"
    Oh, that "master" and "slave".

    I guess it all depends on where your mind is. That's not the "master" and "slave" I think of when I hear "master" and "slave"...I was thinking more along the lines of, say, "dom" and "sub" which hardly offends anybody.

  • by fermion (181285) on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:55PM (#7634856)
    (Last Journal: Thursday May 03 2007, @11:34AM)
    I would think that spammers would use 100% non-ms solutions. After all they know exactly what kind of security risks MS software presents. And one would assume that they would to protect themselves against thier own and competitors spam.

    Perhaps the spam industry is run by the PHB as well, and the demand for 100% MS, no matter what, is just a prevalent.

  • Linux Spammers (Score:5, Informative)

    by JLester (9518) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:07PM (#7634962)
    (http://www.thedieselstop.com/)
    I had a server that began sending undeliverable messages to my postmaster account that were obviously spams originating from the server itself. I use Debian with Exim set to disable relaying and could not figure out how this occurred. I finally found a couple of strange processes running that apparently were acting as an SMTP reflector of some sort. Computers were sending e-mails to it and it forwarded them out to the proper addresses.

    I finally traced it back to an older CGI script on the server that had a few bugs. Luckily they only had access to the /tmp directory, so it was an easy fix after upgrading the script. I never did figure out exactly what the process was doing though and couldn't find anything about on the 'net. This occurred about a year ago.

    Jason
  • the matrix (Score:2)

    by machine of god (569301) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:23PM (#7635080)
    Anyone else ever wonder about the software design of the matrix? I mean, a separate program for everything?
    • Re:the matrix by Progman3K (Score:2) Thursday December 04 2003, @11:28PM
      • Re:the matrix by Slurm-V (Score:1) Friday December 05 2003, @12:19AM
        • Re:the matrix by Progman3K (Score:2) Friday December 05 2003, @07:03AM
    • Re:the matrix by bakes (Score:2) Friday December 05 2003, @12:31AM
    • Re:the matrix by jafuser (Score:2) Friday December 05 2003, @11:55AM
  • by |>>? (157144) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:26PM (#7635095)
    (http://itmaze.com.au/)
    I did some followup on the article and the result is in this month's linmagau:

    The article "What if the CIO doesn't know if they're running Linux? [linmagau.org]" is online now.

    (PS. If this is familiar, I also noted this under the article Real NTFS.SYS under Linux.)
  • tsk tsk tsk (Score:3, Funny)

    by shaitand (626655) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:37PM (#7635166)
    (http://www.ganjablogger.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday January 05 2006, @05:36PM)
    Since I'm a genetically modified fish with a glowing arse who uses linux to spam, and thus increase sales of my spoof of the microsoft spoof of the matrix which I call "Master/Slave Jumper Settings".

    I have to say I find the policies of L.A. County and the State of California to be Discriminatory.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:41PM (#7635187)
    Wow, if that isn't an overstatement!

    Someone's blog and an article in linuxworld can hardly, HARDLY be called an embarrassing backlash.

    Please, just because a couple of linux nerds got their knickers up in a bunch doesn't mean there was even an inkling of a backlash.

    Please, let's not engage in stupid hyperbole... it just makes us real Linux supporters look like overreacting assholes.
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  • Oh NO!!! (Score:2)

    by jetkust (596906) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:42PM (#7635190)
    ...I've fallen into a plot hole and I can't get up!!
    -Matrix Trilogy
  • I was thinking make the "master" device beige and the "slave" devices black, that way the master devices would stand out..... oh wait... that probably wouldn't reduce the offensiveness would it.... but it would be funny as hell in an extreamly offensive way and teach whoever started the whole thing not to be stupid.
  • Awww MAN! (WRT54G) (Score:3, Informative)

    The lastest firmware plugs the hole you can use to play around with the linux distro on the router. :(

  • by quantaman (517394) on Thursday December 04 2003, @09:16PM (#7635370)
    Hey I can see my website from here [easynews.com]!!!

    (it's the one with the dot)
  • by avoisin (105703) on Thursday December 04 2003, @09:32PM (#7635474)
    I like the spider web looking maps of the internet that are thrown around every now and then. But I think it would be far more interesting to see a map of what it looked like during the last major northeast blackout. It would perhaps be a good show of just how capable the internet really is of rerouting itself.
  • by jACL (75401) on Thursday December 04 2003, @10:06PM (#7635640)
    here [mskf.org]while you still can...
  • by wytcld (179112) on Thursday December 04 2003, @10:11PM (#7635669)
    (http://www.thetao.info/tao/whitecloud1.htm)
    When I get a robot it frellin well better fully treat me as "master." And I will be totally comfortable using it as "slave."

    Machines should be our slaves, not people. Machines may even be why we don't need slaves any more to construct successful economies - well, that and the Chinese who will work for less than it would cost to keep a good machine in service here, let alone a human being.

    When the AI folks start arguing for transhumanism and machine's rights, consider that the only way to grant machines rights is to take rights away from human beings. And, since machines are not independent and will never truly have feelings about anything (since that takes being built from live cells, at which point you're not a machine) those who control the machines which gain rights from human beings have themselves gained the machines' power by proxy.
  • Slashback (Score:2)

    by fenix down (206580) on Thursday December 04 2003, @10:21PM (#7635716)
    Another thing worth mentioning is that the moon story was crap. [msnbc.com] And didn't I tell ya? [slashdot.org] I think I did.
    • Mod parent up by The Wicked Priest (Score:1) Friday December 05 2003, @05:15AM
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  • by frankmu (68782) on Thursday December 04 2003, @10:21PM (#7635722)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Lord Of The Rings!

    i can see linux the linux response by having Linus as Frodo, Alan Cox as Gandolf, Redmond as Mordor. SCO as Saruman.

  • by blair1q (305137) on Thursday December 04 2003, @11:21PM (#7635996)
    (Last Journal: Thursday October 17 2002, @10:28AM)
    "Pretty maps of the Internet."

    Oboy!

    <*click*>
  • Amazon? (Score:2)

    by Lord_Dweomer (648696) on Friday December 05 2003, @12:23AM (#7636280)
    (http://haltingpoint.blogspot.com/)
    "writes to point out that book excerpts are available at insearchofstupdity.com, "

    Now, of course I didn't RFTA, especially on a Slashback where there's tons of them, but I was just wondering how effective it is to offer excerpts when Amazon lets you browse large chunks. Now, that being said, I don't know how long these excerpts are, I was just pointing out something that I noticed.

  • Guess no one has read the article about the master/slave thing in LA county. They mentioned that they were calling it "Primary" and "Secondary" instead of master/slave. Pretty stupid if you ask me, whats the drive connected on the slave on secondary IDE channel? Secondary Secondary? How about Primary Primary? Looks like most of the speculation about it just being one guy who way overreacted are true according to the article. Heh IBM even said "we'll look into it" about the terminology.
  • by billcow (523046) on Friday December 05 2003, @01:43AM (#7636694)
    I'm gonna put a big D-U-H on that. After all, hasn't he been telling us that "windows is secure," "the windows api is open to developers," "windows actually works," and the likes of that for years? And been believed by some (nobody here, I'm sure)? I mean, even for the matrix movie that was *good* we all knew it was just a movie (once again, excluding the same people)
  • by ajs318 (655362) <sd_resp2@earthsh ... o.uk minus punct> on Friday December 05 2003, @07:38AM (#7637661)
    Whichever way you look at it, the whole of "Political Correctness" is founded on bullshit. Words are words. Offence is as much in the perception of the offendee as in the intention of the offender.

    Take for example the idea that you cannot say "blind", you have to say "visually impaired". How does that make any difference? If someone is blind, they are blind. Using a different name for it does not make them any less blind. The only difference it can possibly make is that you can feel a little less guilty about the fact that you can see and they can't. But you shouldn't be feeling guilty about that in the first place. It probably isn't your fault, after all. It's just the way the world works. {Of course, placing people in denial and making them feel guilty about themselves is a great way to manipulate them. Cf. Dr Benway in Naked Lunch}. "Master" and "slave" when applied to inanimate pieces of hardware are just names. Humans do not keep slaves anymore {so the theory goes} so there is no reason for anyone to be offended by the terms.

    Another thing ..... in this country, any attack by a white person on a black or asian person is considered a racial attack even if there is a clear non-racial motive. A few years ago in a part of my home city where I no longer hang out, a bunch of under-age white youths were trying to buy booze and cigarettes from an off-licence, and the asian proprietor - mindful that, if he served them, he would {a} prejudice his licence, and therefore his own livelihood; {b} carry some responsibility if the kids got drunk and went out committing crimes; and {c} expose himself to a lawsuit from Little Johnny's parents claiming that the fags he had sold their precious little darling were responsible for his terminal lung cancer - barred them from his shop. Basically he was 100% in the right and they were wrong.

    Later, the same kids went to his home and tried to start a fire. The law held that it was a racist attack, even though it was most patently not: it was simple revenge, motivated by nothing more than childish indignation at someone else choosing to behave in accordance with the spirit of the law. Race had nothing to do with it. Whilst I don't doubt that a few racial epithets may have been used in the verbal accompaniments to the violence, my contention is that the primary grievance was not with the shopkeeper's race but with his understandable aversion to a prison sentence. Misrepresenting this as a racial incident only gives ammunition to real racists.
  • And that would be a prolapsed prostate lying prostrate.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04 2003, @07:47PM (#7634812)
    Hmmm... Deja vu... must be a Slashdot in the Matrix...
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:HOWTO (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tony (765) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:22PM (#7635071)
    (http://zoeshire.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 31 2002, @05:12PM)
    What kind of psychedelics are you on, man?

    HOWTO install software on MS-Windows

    1. Go to store. Find the software you want, or are told you want.
    2. Stand in line to purchase software.
    3. Pay $429.99 for office suite
    4. Drive home
    5. Unpack software. Break fingernail on impenetrable plastic carton. Curse. Wrap finger in Curious George band-aid.
    6. Insert CD. Watch the extended edition of The Fellowship of the Ring while the virus scanner checks the CD.
    7. When the setup program autoruns, click through licenses and questions both stupid and unintelligible. When the setup program asks for the keycode, look around your workspace. After 5 minutes of frantic searching, realize you through it away with the fingernail-hating packaging. Dig through garbage; find license under old coffee grounds.
    8. While the program installing, watch the extended edition of The Two Towers.
    9. Run the program for the first time. Dig through settings and configuration to figure out how to TURN OFF THAT DAMNED PAPERCLIP!
    10. Done.

    Of course, this is for an old version of MS-Office. The newer version is much simpler; since Clippy is no longer included, step 9 is not necessary.

    HOWTO install program under Linux (Debian):

    1. apt-get install openoffice.org
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    • Re:HOWTO by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday December 05 2003, @01:16AM
    • Re:HOWTO by REBloomfield (Score:2) Friday December 05 2003, @03:27AM
      • Re:HOWTO by Tony (Score:2) Sunday December 07 2003, @03:01AM
    • Re:HOWTO by euxneks (Score:2) Friday December 05 2003, @06:33PM
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  • by shaitand (626655) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:30PM (#7635129)
    (http://www.ganjablogger.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday January 05 2006, @05:36PM)
    Please fix moderation to something else, maybe negative or neutral. Troll might work. But it's not offtopic, if you bother reading the slashbacks that site is linked does have red blinking text and that text is the whole point of the update. Therfore it IS ON TOPIC, even if it is a troll.
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  • Re:Embarrassing PR backlash ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by shaitand (626655) on Thursday December 04 2003, @08:46PM (#7635212)
    (http://www.ganjablogger.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday January 05 2006, @05:36PM)
    Actually I've found that 90% of slashdots population is composed of Microsoft supporting fantatics who run around claiming that Microsoft is a beautiful archangel from above and that they are oppressed by the anti-microsoft fantatics.

    So in the meantime, they mod up these posts about their complaints and mod those who have had a better experience with other operating systems like linux and BSD (granted, that's pretty much everyone who has used them for more than a year) into a mudhole.

    Slashdot articles in general are basically a mix, some pro microsoft, some against, pretty unbiased reporting... it's just that there is more to report that is negative about microsoft than positive.
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  • Re:Does MS have the right? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by skotte (262100) <iamthecheeze&gmail,com> on Friday December 05 2003, @07:34AM (#7637650)
    (http://drive.to/the.moon)
    do you have even a fFundamental understanding of the material? MS owns the spoof. that's quite legal. they now own the copyright on that work. some guy took some photos of the work. the guy didnt have a strong leg to stand on, as the photos were of copyrighted material. And the owner of said copyright was asking the photos to be removed.

    i have no idea what all this other nonsense of which you speak pertains to.
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