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More On The Linux Wrist Watch

Posted by CmdrTaco on Tue Aug 08, 2000 07:56 AM
from the lots-more-details dept.
Gareth writes "CNET has more information on IBM's wrist watch running Linux, including an interview with the vice president of research." A lot meatier than we had yesterday. It looks legit, but it's still looks pretty impractical (despite scoring many points on the old cool-o-meter).
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  • About a year from now... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:52AM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:22AM (#871825)
    Its clear in the article that IBM does not expect the Linux watch to become a product--but is a research prototype. Practical or not, I can think of many lessons learned from this effort. Just as a proof of concept, that Linux can be run in tiny devices--issues like power consumption, memory requirement, display readability--this can come a long way to proving to skeptics that Linux has vast untapped potential. So, broaden your minds and stop asking insipid questions like "is it practical"? Practically, in this case, is not the point.
  • Re:Other OS Watches by Ranger Rick (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:47AM
  • Re:What the...? by jandrese (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:40AM
  • Okay... (Score:3)

    by dougman (908) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:02AM (#871828)
    I'm sorry. I REALLY like Linux and all, but this seems to be akin to a small war to CNN coverage-wise here.

    It's a FRIGGIN WRISTWATCH.

    Jesus. I can only imagine the stop-the-presses-obsess-over-this coverage the day they get Linux running on The Clapper.

  • Another by Fastolfe (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:So how do I use it? by Fastolfe (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @07:13AM
  • cool-o-meter? by red_dragon (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:02AM
  • I'll second that. by Q*bert (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @12:01PM
  • Sorry, lcrappy ink by Q*bert (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @12:17PM
  • Linux seems a little overkill. by mfterman (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:49AM
  • What the...? (Score:4)

    by CWCarlson (2884) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:04AM (#871835)
    I checked out that link, and was surprised to see that the feature list included:

    "Dairy alarm"

    Now *that's* an odd thing for a watch to do. Does it let you know when your milk is going bad? When you're getting close to a lactating animal? I'm confused.

    Of course, I'm also off-topic. Oh, well...

    --- Chris
  • Re:Never likely to make it in the consumer arena.. by Mawbid (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:28AM
  • Re:Whats going on here? by DavidShields (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @10:38AM
  • Never likely to make it in the consumer arena... by Psiren (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:18AM
  • Re:Any uses? by bonehead (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @07:27AM
  • User Interface by jjr (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:10AM
  • Pervasive Devices and Talent? by Pym (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:44AM
  • Re:What the...? by Kris_J (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @02:43PM
  • Linux ad: by afniv (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:25AM
  • What I want in a watch by FreeUser (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:16AM
  • Core wearable ubertoy? by Kamelion (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:14AM
  • Airlines? by decaym (Score:1) Wednesday August 09 2000, @05:06AM
  • prototype for teh future by Brigadier (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:25AM
  • Re:AVI Video Codec: Radius Cinepak is unsupported. by crumley (Score:1) Wednesday August 09 2000, @08:39AM
  • by crumley (12964) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:56AM (#871849) Homepage Journal
    Has anyone seen this a href="http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/au dio/ibm_linux-02.avi" commercial on TV yet? If they put it on TV, it would really prove that IBM is going to try to push Linux, much more than this watch does.
  • Re:Whats going on here? by RobertEdwards (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:17AM
  • one word (and a modifier) by option8 (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:18AM
  • I sure hope this is a "proof of consept" by Felinoid (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:54AM
  • Re:Wow Dude! by Frog (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @10:25AM
  • Real Groupware by Frog (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:42AM
  • Battery life sucks. by kieran (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:05AM
  • Computing power by Ratface (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:57AM
  • very useful in vegas! by kellan1 (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @12:19PM
  • You switched topics by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:46AM
  • [OT] HCI by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:38AM
  • by FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:23AM (#871860)
    So because it would be difficult (impossible?) to interact with the computer, the computer is useless? Let's see what you think after I remove all microchips from your home, car and workplace.

    How would Linux on a watch be useful?

    Telemetry: A million uses summed up in one word. Spies gathering intelligence. Scientists/Doctors gathering data (from the environment and/or from the wearer). Security officers (including police). Tracking/homing.

    Data access: Sure, you can't do much general computing--but every (digital) watch has buttons. How about a "what's my current location" button with some GPS software installed? How about a modified Timex DataLink that links DIRECTLY to my PC (wirelessly)?

    Communication: We laugh about Dick Tracy, but cellphone small enough to wear on your wrist would be revolutionary.

    I thought of all the above while I was writing it. Surely someone who is actually involved in the field will think of many many more immediate uses. Then there is the "new platform" effect: Once everyone has a watch running Linux, what else becomes possible? No one predicted the Internet would explode once everybody had a PC...
    --
  • by Masker (25119) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:12AM (#871861)
    Linux is a clone of Unix whose programming instructions can be modified -- which is the reason IBM chose the operating system for the project

    I know that IBM has been working for decades trying to modify the mystical "programming instructions" for AIX, and have been unsuccessful to date. Even multi-billion dollar companies have been unable to change their own operating systems. =)

  • Good way to interact with a watch by claes (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @11:33AM
  • Re:Any uses? by scotpurl (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:12AM
  • Mainframe on your wrist? by Sxooter (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:50AM
  • Re:AVI Video Codec: Radius Cinepak is unsupported. by Tony-A (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:07PM
  • Re: Multi-user by Tony-A (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:20PM
  • What applications will it run? by alistair (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:21AM
  • Re:Real Groupware by tyse (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:11AM
  • Dammit! Forgot the Compelling Application.... by tcr (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:31AM
  • Re:Hmm... by lalleglad (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:11AM
  • Re:Interaction is irrelevant by draco ni (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @10:43AM
  • Check out Steve Mann's WearComp! by cr0sh (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @09:38AM
  • Dilbert ring by Hard_Code (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:50AM
  • Re:lmao by Myddrin (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:56AM
  • Hmm... (Score:5)

    by CrayDrygu (56003) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:06AM (#871875) Homepage
    The watches run on an ARM-based...processor...

    Of course.

    --

  • Quote from the article by Szoup (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:05AM
  • Re:What applications will it run? by ratbag (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:06AM
  • lmao by Sammeh (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:02AM
  • Re:A small question by MostlyHarmless (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:40AM
  • GPL views from down in IBM by jzig (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:14AM
  • Neaty Tools by rknall (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:03AM
  • He said "innovation" by donutello (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:25AM
  • RTFA! by AndyL (Score:1) Wednesday August 09 2000, @04:57PM
  • Vi and Grafitti! by chargen (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:40AM
  • Re:C'MON ppl.... by laborit (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:42AM
  • great (Score:4)

    by cyberm (94048) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:12AM (#871886)
    The watch can tell time...

    Hey that's real innovation!

  • How about... by DrCode (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:13AM
  • Cool-o-meter by bickle (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:04PM
  • MORE POWER! by Wiwi Jumbo (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:27AM
  • Re:evolution (Score:3)

    by bfree (113420) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:16AM (#871890)
    Before Linux, IBM's research group had lost its enthusiasm for operating system work, Goyal said. Linux, though, is ideal for research environments because its open-source nature encourages innovation that's not hobbled by licensing negotiations, he said.
    I adored this quote also. It shows exactly why gnu/linux is able to go further than any other system.....and why it will. IBM produces good products, maybe not outstanding but not often awful. They are a huge company and you know their researchers are good, and you know that IBM are not going to have too many licensing problems on this world (imagine IBM and RMS asking M$ for windows source, who would have the problems :-). Despite their position however, their researchers want to work with linux (if this is to be believed, and personally I do) because of the lack of licensing issues, so they obviously don't see the GPLs viral nature as a problem. If this attitude is not being discouraged, then IBM are shifting to a GPL based development (in the long term) where their code will be the worlds code and again they might be restored to their monopoly/top billing position (SGI might be fighting them for it though). To a company like IBM the decision of whether to "gamble" on GPLing code must be far far easier than to all the other small players in the market who do not have the resources to sacrifice any income.
    Maybe they are simply going to research on gnu/linux and then rewrite everything to their current operating system of choice.......they wouldn't, would they?
  • Well it's supposed to be impractical by Rurik (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:03AM
  • I see this the start of something big by stixman (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:09AM
  • Re:Limitations of current HCI models by jallen02 (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:48AM
  • Re:Battery life sucks. by Nerds (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:53AM
  • Committed? by xee (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:30AM
  • What else? by enneff (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:26AM
  • Re:*head in hands* by CptnHarlock (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:30AM
  • Another Original idea by IBM? by Dark Phantasmo (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:58AM
  • ok... by nomadic (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:40AM
  • there already are plans for a watch like this by nomadic (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:59AM
  • correct link here by nomadic (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:34AM
  • The EP7211 by mathfreak (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:25AM
  • Linux on Blue Gene!! by grahamsz (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:09AM
  • by _xeno_ (155264) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:18AM (#871904) Homepage Journal
    This was mentioned in the previous article [slashdot.org], but at All Linux Devices [alllinuxdevices.com], they have a story [alllinuxdevices.com] that amoung other things explains how to use the watch. It's a combination of the touch-sensitive screen, and a little dial next to it. It also has an X server built in to the default install. The picture [lwn.net] of the watch shows it running some shell (prob. just sh, but I can't tell - not enough shown), so it IS possible to enter data. It sounds like they really expect it to be used by typing data at your desktop and downloading it to the watch. Actually, the real use of this was just to show that you could run Linux on a watch, they aren't planning on anything else with it.

    They may also have thought that the watch could have an overly simplified menu system, and display data as requested. Since it is just a prototype demonstrating that it's possible to run Linux on a wrist-watch, it makes sense that the user interface isn't well thought out yet. If they ever planned on marketting it, they'd probably need to add some more buttons. Plus the battery only lasts two to three days, making it not the most useful of watches.

  • Linux on a wristwatch? by poorboy (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:04AM
  • You guys have to realize something by piku (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @07:16AM
  • A small question by thieum (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:22AM
  • Oooooh the precision... by AntiPasto (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:18AM
  • Re:[OT] HCI by Penguin_99 (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:04AM
  • by Penguin_99 (169189) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:34AM (#871910)
    I agree with you 100%. However, the physical components we use to interact with a computer are not the only problem. True that the keyboards and mice are not the most intuitive of devices, but I think that more of the problem lies with the actual interfaces (ie: GUIs). Most GUIs fall short or delievering a natural way of navigating, controlling and interacting with a computer. We have to learn to look past the typical idea of a computer consisting of a 17" monitor, a large box to which all the paripherals connect to a machine that people can interact with and incorporate into their everyday lives without changing their habits. The goal (of software development and computer design) should not be to use the system but to create computers and software that are unabtrusive and fit into peoples everyday lives without the people having to change and mold around the computer.
  • Re:Any uses? (Score:3)

    by streetlawyer (169828) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:02AM (#871911) Homepage
    Woman repellent?
  • Proposed items by IBM research labs by Fervent (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @07:05AM
  • The guy is spouting bullsh*t - witness: by fatphil (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:09AM
  • 2nd attempt... The guy is truly spouting: by fatphil (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:14AM
  • Cook wrist, season to taste. by hotgrits (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:16AM
  • Other OS Watches (Score:3)

    by Corty (186595) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:35AM (#871916)
    Windows Watch: Hand moves anti-clockwise, only some numbers are shown and requires time setting every half hour.

    Mac Watch: Straps to leg, made of transparent material and sphere rolls instead of hands to indicate global postion in relation to the Sun.

    Sun Watch: Hands spin too damn fast too read.

  • Excuses by rootofevil (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:45AM
  • Re:Any uses? by b0z (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:17AM
  • bluetooth is the killer app by density (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:54AM
  • Dick Tracey ain't got nothing on this. by RobM9999 (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:04AM
  • A real scenario by Mtgman (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:15AM
  • Agh! I'm screwed! by billcopc (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:17AM
  • F i r s t   P o s t by java_sucks (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:25AM
  • evolution by mirko (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:30AM
  • Let's trust them... by mirko (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:38AM
  • One of the better innovations.... by SomeoneGotMyNick (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:54AM
  • Re:Any uses? by LiENUS (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:05AM
  • Re:Interaction is irrelevant by ensjoeski (Score:1) Friday August 11 2000, @04:43AM
  • A practical question by Kickasso (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:28AM
  • by evanbd (210358) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:22AM (#871930)
    Having read the articles and looked at the pictures, how do I use the thing??? There's no keyboard, no stylus/grafiti thing, just an IR and radio comm thing. It syays it has a touch screen, but does it do handwriting recognition or something? no mention of this. So do I pull out my Palm and IR link to type in commands? Or do I need to bring my wireless keyboard with me? I will believe that there *might* be uses (I haven't found any) if I can use it somehow.

    ---
  • Any uses? by munition (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:01AM
  • Your examples are irrelevent by Dan Hayes (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:37AM
  • by Dan Hayes (212400) on Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:05AM (#871933)

    This may have the "coolness" factor, but it has precious little else in the way of utility. Leaving aside the questions of what point is there running Linux on a wristwatch since this is a "proof of concept" (i.e. scientists being paid to muck around with stuff they like), the fact of the matter is that human computer interaction is woefully lacking at the moment.

    Until we can offer some alternative to the anachronistic technologies we are using today to interact with computers (keyboards? mice? not exactly intuitive for Joe Sixpack are they?) extending the domain for computers is going to fail.

    We desparately need a new paradigm in HCI, because the ones we have at the moment just aren't applicable to things like wearable computers.

    P.S. And I don't mean voice control either.

  • Whats going on here? by cbwsdot (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:32AM
  • Impractical? Not if you have Popeye arms by tenzig_112 (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @04:26AM
  • Here's a practical application by Riplakish (Score:2) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:54AM
  • C'MON ppl.... by epodrevol (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @03:15AM
  • shoehorn with teeth? by randyroo00 (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @05:08AM
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