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2016? Jeb vs. Hillary

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  • Unless the Republicans start doing some coalescing like right NOW and get behind that, I think absent a significant event between now and November 2016, Hillary's odds look very good.

    The Republicans will not get a president again until their primaries are more than "who can rush to the right the fastest?" The winner of that will have to choke on their own words in the general election and the swing voters who actually decide elections won't like the things said to garner the nomination nor the backpedaling

    • You'd have used this logic to call Gore over Bush, in 2000.

    • No, if the GOP is dumb enough to run Jebbie, then we have 1992 redux.
      Voted for Perot then, and I'll write in Thaddeus McCotter before I piss all over our Constitution with this dynastic crap.
      • No, if the GOP is dumb enough to run Jebbie, then we have 1992 redux.
        Voted for Perot then, and I'll write in Thaddeus McCotter before I piss all over our Constitution with this dynastic crap.

        You don't expect us to believe that you voted for someone other than GWB in 2000 though, do you? You have been one of his biggest apologists (if not supporters) around on slashdot - which is saying quite a bit considering how far people here were willing to bend over to excuse his crappy decisions.

        But yet, for some reason, watching GWB terms 3 and 4 play out does not set your heart aflutter. The only thing President Lawnchair has done less of than GWB is piss on the Bill of Rights.

        • The only thing President Lawnchair has done less of than GWB is piss on the Bill of Rights.

          That's right! He's doing a number two on them! I guess we can assume Ms. Hillary has your vote. Gotta make sure the right lizard gets in.

      • Do you even know what that guy did? Jeeze! Another war monger and Romney supporter, just what we need. Or are we being whooshed? Oh wait, he plays the guitar. I'm sold!

        • Also, he brings some pretty dry gags, but the ultimate one was delivered to him by his staff.
          • Which he knew nothing about, right?

            • Irrespective of whether he knew, his public service career stands scuttled. As a politician, we can presume guilt until proven innocent.
              • As a politician, we can presume guilt until proven innocent.

                That is precisely how I see it, for all politicians. Those who make the rules should not receive the benefit of a doubt. We should put them in a glass house. It's our own fault for not hanging the sword of Damocles over their heads. We have given away all our wealth/power to Wall Street carpetbaggers, and now they run the show.

                • Crikey, we agree.
                • I had a friend who suggested that as a President was elected, we automatically select a Special Prosecutor, at the same time - as a condition of the office.

                  This was in the early Nineties. What did he know? He went on to work for Allchin at Microsoft.

                  • Nice idea, but considering the kind of people we elect, I kinda doubt we could do any better with a special prosecutor.

  • Really, what does Jeb represent or stand for? It is reasonable to expect that Hillary would run on a platform similar to what Obama has done - which is the most conservative presidential administration in the history of our country.

    Yes, you read that right. I just said that Obama - in action - has been the most conservative president we've ever had. Compare his actual actions to Bush Jr, Bush Sr, Nixon, Ford, Hoover, or even the Great Saint Ronnie the Redeemer. Obama's actual actions have been more co
  • I called it when Hillary gave up the nomination to Obama. It was too obvious from the beginning. The republicans have nobody else that could divide the vote as evenly as he could. And after that, there is another Bush waiting in the wings [georgepfortexas.org], and he's got all the right "features" (just look at that smile) to make a big win with a growing demographic just waiting to be plucked. Heh, as if the damn democrats haven't done enough plucking.

    The democratic primary will probably boil down to Clinton and Warren. You w

  • as much as i would like to see hillary in the oval office, i think another dem will win the primaries. as for the republicans who is gonna vote for those pricks anyways. making it so women and the poor can't vote. you can no longer vote if you ever have changed your last name without certified proof of every marriage, divorce, and your birth. while men only need proof of being born to vote. and then proof of citizen status if not born in the usa.
    this is an unfair precident to take away the right to vote fro

  • Jeb can't even get nominated, and if you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed he's acting like it. I get the sense he's actually gearing up for 2020 myself.

    Up until a few months ago, it was Hillary vs Christie, but now I have no idea. At this rate, it's going to be Ryan or Cruz if the GOP still can't get its shit together.
    • Man, if the GOP didn't have its shit together, they would be voted out completely. Right now they share the power 50-50 with the democrats, exactly how they want it to keep the target moving. This deception is fine art. Well, it would be if it took any effort to fool people.

      • Never attribute to conspiracy what is obviously rank fucking stupidity. You're spending too much time in JC's orbit.
        • What conspiracy? There's nothing to read into it. It's just a regular con game. like professional sports. I don't see anything abnormal.

          • For there to be a con game, there has to be someone running it. Plot twist: there isn't.

            Maybe this will work better: You'll never go broke betting on general human stupidity and laziness.
            • For there to be a con game, there has to be someone running it.

              Well, yes. That would be any very large transnational business organization. One example is Carlos Slim. He damn near owns the Mexican government along with the cartels. We already under the influence of Soros and Koch and a few others who put up the money for their favorite party. There doesn't have to be any "plot". It is normal reactionary behavior, little different from gravity itself.

              You'll never go broke betting on general human stupidity

              • And this is really my basic observation and position.

                Ordinary business dealings of the powerful are just that. They appear as "conspiracy" because the public cover stories are so very different from the functional reality.

                Like the difference in 3-card-monte, between the "public" view, and that of the Shill.

              • He damn near owns the Mexican government

                Yawn.

                I am not disagreeing with that in any way.

                Except you are. You're still playing that fashionable "we're all sheep" routine that does as much to discourage participation in the system as any rule-flouting oligarch.

                The painful truth is that the current western obsession with unrepresentative corporatist duopolies has almost nothing to do with concentrations of wealth and power, but more to do with the fact that your average human being wants to go th
                • I don't know why you yawn at the story about Slim. He has the power because nobody will contest it. He didn't take anything. It was given to him. Same goes for every other similar situation. And like most every mulch-billionaire they have a very strong interest in protecting their fortunes, through government or whatever means at their disposal.

                  The painful truth is that the current western obsession with unrepresentative corporatist duopolies has almost nothing to do with concentrations of wealth and power,

                  • by Bob_Who (926234)
                    "We the Reptilian Lamb chops.... ....yummy sheep lizard jerky sounds as good as soylent green.
                • >> your average human being wants to go through life with as little fuss as possible.

                  This is also, a conditioned state. People are genetically wired to strive, when certain conditions are present.

                  The object of "universal suffrage" in combination with easy access to material excess, and "identity consumerism" - whe the atomic unit of identity is focused on "self" - is exactly designed to provide substitute signals for material well-being and to anesthetize the "average human being". Simultaneously, a

                • My humble apologies for the second reply, but I kinda wonder if you see any irony between these two statements:

                  You'll never go broke betting on general human stupidity and laziness.
                  and
                  You're still playing that fashionable "we're all sheep" routine...

                  I am not discouraging participation by any means. On the contrary, I am encouraging(kicking the seat, screaming, wake up!) people to see the system as it is and what they are doing to themselves in supporting it*, as opposed to how it is presented to them, so th

  • I just can't help but hear banjo music from the Beverly Hillbillies every time I hear that name JEB. And poor Hillary can age as gracefully as anyone, but lets face it, shes a Granny now. Its kinda like a Hee-Haw meets Deliverance political contest.

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