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Journal damn_registrars's Journal: Dick "Smitty" Cheney 95

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Shortly after the release of the Senate investigation into CIA torture, we hear from former president Dick Cheney on his thoughts on the matter :

Former Vice President Dick Cheney called a Senate panel's report on U.S. interrogation tactics during George W. Bush's administration is "deeply flawed" and a "terrible piece of work."

"The report's full of crap," he said in an interview with Fox News on Wednesday evening.

So how well versed is he on this "terrible piece of work"?

Cheney said he'd "seen parts of it. I read summaries of it."

Sounds familiar, there... His closing Bauer-ish remarks summarize his world pretty well:

He said he has no regrets about the tactics used after the Sept. 11, 2001, al Qaeda attacks.

"I think what needed to be done was done," Cheney said. "I think we were perfectly justified in doing it. And I'd do it again in a minute."

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  • He's the godfather of #YOLO.

    • He does have a certain 'charm' about him. The camera clearly loves him. I don't think I've seen a more fitting face for the job.. He could easily win another election.

      • I, for one, love the way he knots damn_registrar's panties in the manner of the finest macramé.
        Haven't read his book, but I did read Rumsfeld [amazon.com]. Cheney is going to be remembered by history as what a true public servant should aspire to be.
        • I doubt you could possibly be more blatant in demonstrating how your love for your party trumps all concern you have for everything that used to make our country great.

          Tell me, would you tolerate any of these from Joe Biden?
          • Threatening to usurp power that was never assigned to the VP to break a supreme court tie?
          • Holding secret meetings with industry leaders to use to dictate legislation?
          • Telling someone on the senate floor "go fuck yourself"?

          And that is hardly even scratching the surface of how Cheney wa

          • When, seriously, did

            Threatening to usurp power that was never assigned to the VP to break a supreme court tie?

            occur? Can you please provide a link? I'm genuinely curious what Darth Cheney is purported to have done.

            Holding secret meetings with industry leaders to use to dictate legislation?

            When, how, what? The VP breaks ties in the Senate, IIRC.

            Telling someone on the senate floor "go fuck yourself"?

            And now you're gonna get all Speech Police? Time for a new tampon, in my estimation.

            hardly even scratching the surface of how Cheney was blatantly using the constitution as toilet paper

            Wait, so, a bit of potty mouth is 'using the constitution as toilet paper'. Tell me, are you strangely comfortable with Obama's Executive Amnesty? Let me guess: it's "fair"?

            I wouldn't tolerate it from Biden, nor would you.

            Oh, come on: Uncle Choo-Choo is the Court Jester. He makes as many borderli

          • Oh please, you're just as obnoxious about the damn democrats. And Biden is every bit as 'evil' as Cheney. If I ever write a promotion for the republican faction, it will be with your face and comments.

            • Probably need to distinguish between 'lawful' and 'chaotic' evil with these D&D characters.
            • And Biden is every bit as 'evil' as Cheney.

              Fuck me, I knew you were clueless, but comparing Biden to Cheney is like comparing a Storm Trooper to the Emperor himself.

              Hang your head in shame.

              • Helping it happen is the same as making it happen. And you know who was even worse, and made me grateful that Gore lost was Lieberman, though he was just as dangerous in the senate. I hope you don't think you would mock you any less for voting for either of these goons. Biden just wears a better mask, and puts on a better show.

                And tell me, what is an emperor without any storm troopers and hangmen? A movie director maybe? I am very interested how that works. Call me clueless all you want, but at least I'm no

        • I, for one, love the way he knots damn_registrar's panties in the manner of the finest macramé.

          I have to admit that I too, feel the schadenfreude. As much as I can rag on republicans, the democrats have that moronic flavor about them that just makes them so fun to watch. But hey, don't think that you're any different. You are all part of the same flock.

          You are right about Cheney. He did exactly what voters expected, and actually wanted. Put him on Jeb's ticket, and you will have a winner once again.

          • So, what do you figure we should prosecute first? Benghazi or this torture thing?

            Questions:
            Which one involved actual loss of life and distorted an election?
            If we can't hold police accountable when appropriate, when are we going to prosecute politicians?
            Would your torture prosecutions begin at square #1, i.e., the Clinton Administration [washingtonpost.com]?

            • Would your torture prosecutions begin at square #1, i.e., the Clinton Administration?

              Clinton? Please! Stop with your continued silliness... We still have people from the Johnson administration we can go after. Kissinger, Rumsfeld, and even Cheney predate Clinton by a long shot. These are the very same people doing it today, working with both republicans and democrats throughout their careers. What does Clinton have to do with anything? Oh, yeah, the personality thing again... It just never ends *sigh* And y

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by unitron ( 5733 )

                Who's left from LBJ's administration besides Bill Moyers?

                • Sorry, off by one... Nixon

                  I thought Rumsfeld was already out of congress and into the cabinet during Johnson's term. But you're right. The principals in his cabinet made a clean getaway.

                  Still has nothing to do with Clinton per se. All the architects to the program have been around for at least 45 years. And they are still being paid. Whoever happens to be living in the white house is entirely irrelevant.

                  • Re: (Score:2)

                    by unitron ( 5733 )

                    If Nixon and LBJ run together in your mind then you're not from the US or you're too young to have been around for either.

                    • Oh please! I was here since Eisenhower...Nice and comfy in the middle of the herd. It's easy to conflate these people when you consider their differences are completely overwhelmed by the similarities and their actual purpose. The details all wash together, and time frames become irrelevant. If you want precision, go see an accountant.

                      Oh wait, did you mean, *If you remember the 60s, you weren't there*? Eh...

            • Which one involved actual loss of life and distorted an election?

              That's a funny question...

              distorted an election?.. Hm, let's see. that would be Bush's people, appears to have happened twice, but with democrats being the 'opposition', it didn't really matter. 'Stolen' elections between these two are not really stolen. And there is also the possibility that the dems 'threw' the election, like they did this last one. This would be the most likely scenario since the party is monolithic.

              actual loss of life? Yea

              • Yeah, the torture did that also

                -E_NO_URL

                • Classified...

                  • Well, everybody dies, and clearly interrogation is not a health enhancer. So I guess it kind of goes without saying.

                    • Great! Apply that infinite logic to your little Benghazi obsession then, and we're even...

                    • In a sane world, Benghazi would have halted the rodeo clowning at the four year mark. The men who gave all in combat while President Jarrett and Her Majesty dawdled may yet mean that the latter doesn't carry the tradition of idiocy further.

                    • Bla bla bla.. same for Bush with his wars... And I am overwhelmed by your 'mature' terminology. And if Hillary were a republican you would be cuddling up to her like a lost puppy. I dare say her plastic statuette would replace the Reagan one on your dashboard.

                    • And if Hillary were a republican you would be cuddling up to her like a lost puppy.

                      If this notion held true, I'd be salivating when Jeb rings the bell. But I'm not. Because the notion is crap. Like the bulk of your accusations.

                    • So you say. When the campaign starts you'll be with the GOP no matter who it is. Even (especially) if it were Hillary. For competence she's way ahead of Jeb too. No, your notion of faux independence is crap. You follow where the TV takes you. You follow the TV's scandals. You vote for the TV's candidate's. and you are obsessed with TV personalities.

                    • When the campaign starts you'll be with the GOP no matter who it is.

                      Wasn't true in '92, and not likely to be true in '16, your trolling be damned.

                      You vote for the TV's candidate's. and you are obsessed with TV personalities.

                      Can't top your obsession with claiming others are obsessed.

                    • Can't top your obsession with claiming others are obsessed.

                      It's not a 'claim', it's a simple observation. I only state the obvious, nothing more, any 'embellishment' on my part only serves to clarify and confirm, kinda like when they raise the chroma levels in all those space pix to make things more distinguishable.. but *The fortress of truth is impenetrable!* All your denials fall limp in its presence. No amount of theological viagra can help you.

                    • Sorry, I couldn't get anything out of that word soup. What's this about my chroma fortress viagra?
                      I confess to an obsession with Jesus Christ. All else is peripheral at best.

                    • Try to read them as they are written, undistorted by your tugging, twisting motions. *Crystal clear the meaning is* You are blinded by arousal. All the stories are true.

                    • Even the false stories?

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

          Cheney is an evil man who was Vice President during the worst administration I've seen in my 62 years and possibly the worst in history.

          • You placing the Bush43 admin below BHO in the rankings? I find that interesting.

            • Well, Obama did throw a bone to the gays...

              • Not a rumor I care to push in any enclosed space.

                • No rumor, he gave them the opportunity to proudly fight and die for empire, he's backhandedly supporting equal rights to a contract... He did exactly what I said he did. He pacified them just enough to secure votes for the party.

                  • Now you're sounding like me. I stated before that GWB would have eventually signed off on the abolition of DADT in the military. After all, his empire building was quickly depleting the straight segment of our volunteer forces and draft would have been a no-go even if it was economically segmented more than the last one.

                    • I stated before that GWB would have eventually signed off on the abolition of DADT in the military.

                      I stand in admiration of your capacity to Make Stuff Up, then treat your own utterances as received wisdom, e.g. "Obama is a conservative President".
                      You are Teh Man.
                      Meanwhile, where is the next installment of Karl's Folly?

                    • I stated before that GWB would have eventually signed off on the abolition of DADT in the military.

                      Only if the party wanted him to. He was just following orders. And both factions are just chasing gay money, which just happens to have some clout. You like to play your childish politics. These people are simply conducting business.

                      We may say similar things occasionally, but you're just as tribal as Mr. Smith with your partisan bullcrap. The democrats partake in the torture thing and advocate it just as much

                    • If you stuck to what I actually say, instead of inserting what you want to hear me say, you might approach having an argument.
                    • GWB needed more troops than were available through any other acceptable means in order to keep his wars going, and he certainly wasn't about to admit defeat. Getting rid of DADT was inevitable. This was the least unpalatable option for those who wanted the war machine to keep going but couldn't be bothered with facing the actual costs of two unwinnable land wars.
                    • It's quite blatantly obvious that you've never deployed, much less served, in the military.
                      While service members take a generally libertarian view of what people are getting up to in private, the actual business of being in a military unit is surprisingly sex-free. The co-ed nature of line units is a policy decision foisted by Progressives.
                      There is a distinction to be drawn between racial integration, which makes massive sense, and co-ed units, which add zero (0) combat value to units.
                      If you took a truly
                    • That's a lot of huge assumptions, there. As usual, they have quite nearly zero connection to the topic at hand - or to reality in general.
                    • Understood: you got nothin'.
                    • I guess this time you randomly opted to just abandon the discussion entirely instead of going for either of your party's other two officially endorsed tactics (one being insult the other person directly and two being change the topic completely). Fair enough.
                    • Standard Lefty Whines numbers 7 & 8.
                      Where's our Communist Manifesto installment, Mr. Fulldiaper?
                    • Well, reality does have a known liberal bias. Sorry that factual statements have such an impact on you that you find yourself forced to describe them as "whines".

                    • Well, reality does have a known liberal bias.

                      Is that what the guy on record for stating "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" said to you?

                    • What part of his record of (in)action up to that point caused you to think that President Lawnchair would stand up to his corporate masters? He signed the bill into law that they wanted, and they showed their gratitude by shitting on the American public. The insurance industry had no reason to behave morally after being given all the power, being as they no longer had anything to lose by doing so.
                    • How does this support your contention that history has a liberal bias, then? You've called Obama a conservative; are you confessing that you think "liberal" means "conservative"?
                    • Where do you think you're going with that statement? Nothing I said actually helps make President Lawnchair look better. I flatly said that the Health Insurance Industry Bailout Act of 2010 was a giant handout to his corporate masters. it is accepted that every republican president we have ever had would have gladly signed the same bill into law had they been POTUS.

                    • Where do you think you're going with that statement?

                      Just placing your assertion in the settling pond with the rest.

                    • Where do you think you're going with that statement?

                      Just placing your assertion in the settling pond with the rest.

                      Certainly not any assertion of mine from this discussion, nor an accurate take of any assertion I made elsewhere.

                    • Since you bring it up, where is the next installment of the Communist Manifesto?
                    • Are you off your ritalin or something? You are changing topics more quickly than a kid with ADHD.
                    • That's been a pinned topic for some time now.

                    • Are you off your ritalin or something?

                      That's been a pinned topic for some time now.

                      I don't recall seeing it before this week.

                    • You're going to feign innocence that we started a Communist Manifesto reading group?
                      How very deeply interesting.
                    • No, I am pointing out that it has nothing to do with this discussion.
                    • You could just stand and deliver.

                    • Post yer own godless commie journal!

                      :-) I mean that in the nicest possible way. You do understand?

                    • It's his turn. After the raft of crap he gave me about reading it, I am not incentivized to do more than ping him for being a lazy sod.

                    • :-) Knock yerself out!

                    • Believe it or not I do have other matters in my life more critical than trying to remedy your voluntary illiteracy.
                    • Your non-command of time management, too, is an object of derision.
                    • That statement speaks volumes on your insistence on believing that everyone else has all the same luxuries that you have.
                    • No, not everyone else: just Your Privilege.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

              Under Bush, our country was attacked despite the fact that FBI agents tried unsuccessfully to warn about it; gasoline more than quadrupled in price (very suspicious; he's an oil man); got us into two wars, one of which was not only completely unnecessary but led to the rise of ISIS; took office in some of the best economic conditions I've seen in my life and left the economy in worse shape than any time since the great depression.

              I never thought I'd see a worse President than Carter, who was far worse than

              • ...got us into two wars, one of which was not only completely unnecessary...

                Are you really saying the other one is justifiable? What got you to believe that lie? And we're still there, the visa expires in two weeks. Obama didn't end anything, except now the gays can fight and die for empire, apparently that is something to be proud of, and he has just as much to do with ISIS as Bush, and we're back in Iraq! This is not Bush's fault by any means. Are you still drinking democrat and mass media kool-aid? I fin

                • Re: (Score:2)

                  by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

                  Attacking Afghanistan was indeed necessary. When you're attacked, kick ass and take names. How was 911 any different than Pearl Harbor?

                  • You had no evidence. Only government hearsay. You wouldn't even question a man and institution with a history of lying us into previous wars and over many other things. There was no cross examination at all. Something must be done regardless! Right? The entire affair is just as shameful as all this torture news coming out now. The who-done-it in Pearl Harbor was a tiny bit more obvious. If you believe that war was necessary, then you really have no standing to question Iraq, or any other war the US has stuc

              • Under Obama the wars are over

                Really?

                unemployment is half of what it was

                You DO understand that workforce participation has utterly cratered in order to make that statistic remotely close to true?

          • He may be evil, but he's still very popular and considered an asset to the party. And I have to disagree with your assessment. You should *fight the hypocrites because they are much more dangerous than those who are fundamentally heretics*

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

              You should *fight the hypocrites because they are much more dangerous than those who are fundamentally heretics*

              Agreed.

              • I hope that makes it clear why the democrat voters are such idiots, because I'm catching a lot of flak for saying it, but it's the simple truth, it's no different than Mr. Smith's passion for his tribe. This whole 'lesser evil' schtick is no nauseating. There is no 'lesser evil' in this business. Everybody needs to drop that delusion.

                • Re: (Score:2)

                  by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

                  IMO anyone who votes party and not candidate is an idiot.

                  • Well, that would make it 98% of the voters then. I guess thems the breaks.

                  • IMO anyone who votes party and not candidate is an idiot.

                    I forgot to ask. Then why would you support one party over the other, especially if you are aware they are not in opposition? I mean, you do know that the candidate represents the party, which represents its 'contributors', right? Everybody here has yet to show me why the people who stand beside Cheney are any better than he is. I think people are just going by his demeanor. But the latest numbers say over 50% approve, who am I to argue? Has a single

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

                      I usually vote Greenie or Libbie unless one of the two majors is particularly offensive or I think the incumbent has done a good job (voted against Clinton his first administration, but voted for his reelection).

                    • See, when I hear buzzwords like the president did a 'good job' or he was the 'worst ever', all I hear is the repetition of the same mass media buzz words I have been reading in the papers over the many years. I lived through the same shit and every day was just another X on the calendar. Work was as steady as I wanted it to be. When prices went up so did my income. None of it depended on some damn politician and his army of bureaucrats. All this nonsense coming from you disappoints me much more than hearing

                    • There is an important orthogonality between a politician giving a job and a politician taking away one. These operations are not just opposite actions. I don't seek a politician who wants to give me a job, I just seek a politician who does not want me on permanent unemployment (sans benefits, of course!).

                    • No politician ever took any job away from me. And you keep on plying your bullshit like I'm supposed to believe it. To them you are nothing but a bag of hundred dollar bills coming in every day. That's what they see, that's what they know. That's what they have to pass on to the boss. They do not care how it's done. They are mules. They sure as hell don't give a shit about your job. Youtube kitty-cats play this shell game better than you do.

                    • They sure as hell don't give a shit about your job.

                      The last election had one candidate who was indifferent towards my job and one who was openly hostile towards it. I had to vote for the one who was indifferent in the hopes of preventing the hostile one from rising to power and putting me on the streets. It was that simple.

                      Indeed there was no candidate who cared about it or wanted to preserve it. But there was a candidate who plainly wanted to exterminate it.

                    • I can call you many things. 'Useless' is not one of them. Indeed you are very dependable. Service is your calling. You too, stand beside the sweet talking devil.

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

                      Your experience was much different than mine. I was in college when Carter was President, and he stopped food stamp benefits for poor college kids. I often went hungry. I'd voted for him, voted against his reelection.

                      Under Reagan I worked for Disney. Reagan slashed the capital gains tax, which unleashed an orgy of hostile corporate takeovers, one of which was unleashed on my employer, who took a big financial hit from its defense and cut everyone's hours. I had trouble paying my bills for a while. There wer

                    • Carter, Reagan, and Bush, etc, they didn't make those decisions. They were hired to execute them. Please, stop. I've been laid off from various jobs also, I don't blame the president. He had nothing to do with it. It was business. All you guys, you're still in this box. I don't get it. Maybe you find comfort doing this stuff.

                    • Carter, Reagan, and Bush, etc, they didn't make those decisions. They were hired to execute them.

                      However they signed off on them. They had the ability to use the veto pen instead but did not do so. Your statement sounds more like an endorsement of voter apathy than anything - why vote for anyone at all?

                    • However they signed off on them.

                      Yeah? So what?! That's why they got the damn job! They were hired to 'sign off'. Who the hell do you think paid the money to get you idiots to vote for them? Man, this is too stupid. You're now playing the part of a complete moron. Or maybe it comes natural to you. The apathy comes from you all just voting for the first thing you see on the damn TV, and I hardly endorse that. You endorse complicity and acquiescence, and plain old following along. That is far worse than apath

                    • Your reading comprehension is almost as bad as smitty's. I never sought free stuff or lower taxes. Fuck I'll happily pay a higher tax to prevent this country from becoming the third-world hellhole that the party currently wielding power is trying to force it into.

                    • You are catatonic...

    • Here I always thought of him as the antithesis of YOLO. He's had around 5 heart attacks (that he'll admit to) and several surgeries. I just hope that nobody in my family is his same blood type or we might be called upon to be the source of his next donor heart (and hence have to promptly leave the country forever). Really, he should have died some time ago but with the medical staff that he keeps around he is more indestructible than Keith Richards.

      The real irony though is that the same publicly fund

  • Torture doesn't work against people whose motives are deeply embedded, such as the typical terrorist, who is just waiting to collect his virgins. They see the pain and suffering as necessary steps for their final reward, so the more you lay it on, the greater their perceived reward. Masochistic, but that's what it is.

    It may work against people who don't have the same reward mechanism, such as ordinary mugs. Even threats will work with many of them.

    As for Cheney, he'll believe what he believes. And if h

    • As for Cheney, he'll believe what he believes. And if he's stupid enough to believe that torture will work against people who see pain as a reward, well, his name is "Dick", right?

      Indeed his name is spelled D-I-C-K though some will say the correct pronunciation is D-A-R-T-H.

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