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Review: Tomb Raider

Posted by JonKatz on Sun Jun 17, 2001 11:00 AM
from the lara-craft-rides-the-big-screen dept.
Give director Simon West credit for navigating some tricky ground. Some movies have been greatly influenced by video games -- The Mummy's Return -- and still others were literal, and stinky spin-offs (Mortal Kombat and Super Mario Brothers for instance) but Tomb Raider is one of the most expensive, ambitious and closely watched of this new hybrid-cinematic format -- the game that not only inspires a movie but becomes one. Games have come a long way. The movie is perhaps too faithful to the game that inspired it, raising the question of whether games and films can really mix. And Angelina Jolie is stellar bungee-jumping in those silk pj's.

The cultural context surrounding Tomb Raider is significant, apart from the quality of the movie. Videogames passed films in revenue last year for the first time, and have become one of the world's most significant and ascendant cultural forces, especially in the U.S. and parts of Europe. Hollywood is scrambling to catch up.

It was so predictable that Tomb Raider would get trashed by most critics, as it has, that the producers didn't even have the guts to screen this movie for critics in advance. That was a mistake. They have nothing to apologize for. Tomb Raider is great, silly fun. Despite all the media yowling about violence in the movie, there really isn't much. There's hardly a drop of blood in the movie, and the shooting and kicking are cartoonish, not explicit.

Tomb Raider is by no means the best, most challenging or most creative video game, but it is one of the world's most popular ones: Lara Croft is gaming's first billion-dollar babe and one of its first superheroes. The movie comes closer to the experience of playing the game than watching a film. That's both the best and worst thing about it. Gamers may find it lush, familiar, original and fun. Non-gamers may see it as stupid and improbable.

West takes little time for character development, plunging right into a narrative involving the now-familiar archaeologist/scholar as adventurer. (Why are all of these archaeologists so rich in movies? And so brave?) Maybe there's no other way to explain how they can afford to cavort around the world, digging up musty tombs and crypts seeking keys to the universe.

Lara Croft, who works as a photojournalist to fund some of her adventures, is a Tomb Raider, of course. She lives in a huge English mansion stuffed with geek toys and gadgets (her resident hired-hand geek -- played by Noah Taylor -- builds killer robots to hunt her down and test her combat skills, which are finely honed. He could live in the mansion, of course, but prefers sleeping in a battered trailer parked outside.) In this Indiana Jonesish story, an evil gaggle of mostly white men (a stand-in for the usual NSA villains and cigarette-smoking men), called the Illuminati, meet in Venice and seek the ancient talisman called the Triangle of Light. They've hired bad guy Iain Glen (Manfred Powell) to get it. Lara, still mourning her lost and presumed dead father (Jon Voight), receives Dad's instructions from beyond the grave to stop the Illuminati at all costs, since the Triangle -- effective once every 5,000 years when the planets are in "alignment" -- gives its possessor God-like power. Although nobody even bothers to explain what the Illuminati expect to do with such divine capabilities, we take it on faith they they're not up to Godish standards.

The movie reflects the cavernous, open style of the game. And Jolie has a blast playing the competent, sneering, indestructible Croft. She plays the role for just what it is -- a campy romp into a new kind of cultural form, where heroines bungee-jump in slinky silk pj's. I think she's good here, even if the movie could certainly have been smarter, more coherent, a bit more attentive to details like plot. Jolie wears a perpetual Indie-like smirk, fears absolutely nothing, and shoots faster than any of the zillions of menacing things that suddenly pop up at her.

West et. al. didn't make this movie on the cheap. Tomb Raider spares no expense on special effects or locations, rocketing around the world as Craft and Powell slug it out. As in the game, despite her access to some stunningly sophisticated firepower, Croft prefers the 9mm pistols strapped prominently to her hips, wielding them against robots, commandos, even supernatural creatures of yore. Only in the movie, she never runs out of ammo. There is, in fact, no foe that can't be brought down by enough smoking 9 mm shells. It's interesting how supposedly hi-tech movies like this one and The Matrix are wedded to the contemporary equivalent of the six-gun.

This is what makes Tomb Raider a faithful evocation of a videogame rather than a conventional movie. It's exactly what many gamers will like about it, and many non-gamers won't.

Personally, I'll take a minority view on "Tomb Raider". It's fun and moves like a rocket from the opening shot. The overall effect is visually striking, sometimes even gorgeous, and while the movie lacks even a momentary sense of menace, so does the game that inspired it. Both are about movement, confidence and reflex.

Let's not get carried away. This movie won't show up on anybody's Top Ten list, but I'd recommend seeing it.

Addendum: Jon Likes It. CmdrTaco Hates it SO MUCH. CmdrTaco speaking now, I just couldn't resist abusing my ability to append a paragraph or 2 to this review to tell everyone how horrible Tomb Raider was. For however long this movie was (it felt like 6 hours) I just wanted everyone to die so I could leave. The acting was flatter then flat, but I have a hard time blaming any actor required to say dialog so moronic that any high school kid could have written something that sounded more real. I'll give Angelina Jolie credit for doing a reasonable british accent, but lets be honest, she was hired because she's a flavor of the month. WHich makes it even more sad that the real point of this movie (Lara's T&A) is padded. And padded so much that when packed into her traditionally tight t-shirt, she looks so much like a toy that I just wanted to scream. There is really no love interest in this story (one is hinted at, but its stupid) so there's only one even remotely sexy scene. It fails to do anything.

The action scenes are poorly edited and largely poorly conceived. It's as if the director said "I really enjoyed The Matrix and Crouching Tiger. Let's see how badly I can recreate those classic scenes for my movies". See, the cast of The Matrix trained forever to do just a few simple shots. And the cast of Crouching Tiger had actual skill to begin with. So when the horrible bungee scene comes together, shots are so quick and so poorly assembled that not only is it difficult to figure out what the hell is going on, but it looks exactly like what it is: A cheap knock off.

Ok, so they didn't have punchy dialog. And so the action scenes were derivative and poorly assembled. The effects are good, right? Oh don't I wish. A few effects are passable, but for the most part, I felt like the effects were of the same caliber that one might see on a syndicated cable sci fi show. Obviously computer animated effects are everywhere. The dramatic finale occurs on a set that looks like it was stolen from The Dark Crystal, but with a lame looking CGI bubble in the middle.

The plot? Well the illuminati are involved (of course) but we don't really see any of them. But don't worry, they don't make sense. All that we know is that the dude responsible for finding the triangle of zinthar (oh wait! thats South Park. Oh wait! you should watch that instead) is a jerk. Well they're going to rescue those triangles because they have power or something. Good thing Lara's got notes coming from her dead old man, and she is such a genius that she just knows how all the traps work in the tombs. But thats her job. She is a Tomb Raider. Apparently this is a title that goes on Business Cards. Cast members refer to her as The Tomb Raider. It falls so flat it makes me want to scream. Anyway, Lara uses her psychic powers to figure out all the traps and secrets, and then she shoots the hell out of zillions of bad guys (be they human, robot, or stone monster) and escapes with only a few scratches. Which are magically healed by the countless friends that her father (who apparently was more influential then the whole rest of the illuminati having left behind clues, ghosts, and friends to help his beloved daughter on her quest. Never mind that some of them were born after his death. He's a magic man).

So, in summary. This movie was absolute crap. Avoid it like the plague. Every nickel you give to this movie is a nickel more that they can use to justify another moronic brainless badly scripted badly acted shoddily assembled knockoff crapfest. Or worse, a Sequel. Run in terror. Please.

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  • Here is my review. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:13AM
  • katz plagiarizes imdb user review! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:18AM
  • Re:boy how they managed to work... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:37AM
  • Videogame revenue is far less than movie revenue by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:37AM
  • Re:Silly me by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:37AM
  • As always... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:01AM
  • Re:Which review to comment on.... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:07AM
  • Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:14PM
  • i figured out katz (Score:5)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:12AM (#145393)
    Personally, I'll take a minority view on "Tomb Raider".

    Anyone else notice this line in pretty much all Katz reviews, positive or negative? I think he feels comfort in knowing that his tastes are different from the 'masses'. Actually, I think he reads real reviews of movies before going to see it to determine the general media appeal of the movie, then decides he will do the opposite of them, whether that is to like or hate it. I can't figure out if that is his plot, or if he tries to guess what the Slashdot readers thought and appeal to them. I figure that can't be it because every review (and does anyone ever actually comtemplate how low a person's career has sunk when they are writing Sunday morning movie reviews for _SLASHDOT_???) gets knocked on by practically everyone here. I have not seen the movie, but this review hardly made me want to. Its target demographic is much younger and much more male than myself. It also seems that some weeks, "mindless fun" as Katz so eloquently puts it is just fine (this week), but not other weeks (Mummy Returns). Anyway, do NOT see this film please, Taco's review seemed honest and funny enough. If he doesn't like it, NOONE will. (except katz apparently)
  • Re:Taco, butt out (Score:4)

    by Alan (347) <arcterex.ufies@org> on Sunday June 17 2001, @09:15AM (#145394) Homepage
    Good point, except for one thing. Taco's review was not so much butting in (IMHO) as augmenting. There were two separate reviews here, just like in the old days. See theonion.com's point, counterpoint.

    Oh, and chill out dude :)
  • Where's her boobs?!? by strredwolf (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:10AM
  • This is not mind control, think about it! by farrellj (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:28PM
  • Re:FNORD!! by farrellj (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:38PM
  • I am confused by Trepidity (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @05:24PM
  • Re:British Accent by DunbarTheInept (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @08:01AM
  • Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by heroine (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:41AM
  • It was GREAT.. by Thomas Charron (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @07:56AM
  • Re:British Accent by Sabalon (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:38AM
  • Re:Silly me by Sabalon (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:18PM
  • Re:Silly me (Score:3)

    by Sabalon (1684) on Sunday June 17 2001, @11:35AM (#145404)
    The only thing "The Mummy Returns" was inspired buy was the FX guys going "Hey...look what we can do."
  • Re:British Accent by Ranger (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:25AM
  • Thanks for the memories... by Howie (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @12:39AM
  • Re:Intersesting perspective... by Glytch (Score:1) Tuesday June 26 2001, @07:11PM
  • Listen, she's a 36C, which would have cut it, in my book. They gave her a padded bra, which made her a 36D (one cup size short of the 36DD that Lara Croft supposedly is...which I think is crap. She's way bigger than that.)

    In any case, I agree with Taco. The movie was a great big bag of ass. It wass ass-tastic. Ass-alicious. It was composed almost entirely out of ass. One could say, even, that it was RIFE with ass.

    And not the good kind, either.

  • Was the movie stupid? by Chas (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:07PM
  • Re:gun stuff by enterix (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:12AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by m2 (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:31AM
  • FNORD! by J05H (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:35PM
  • I like Taco's review. by Chris Burke (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:29AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Wombat (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:22PM
  • Re:What were you expecting??? Lawrence of Arabia?? by xinit (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:02AM
  • Re:The badness was overhyped by xinit (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:10AM
  • by xinit (6477) <{murray} {at} {foo.ca}> on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:27AM (#145417) Homepage
    Road Trip, Freddie Got Fingered, Scary Movie, Armaggedon, Red Planet, Mission to Mars, The Animal, Deuce Bigalow, My Myself and Irene, Sixth Day, any movie with cross-promotions at McDonalds or Burger King (whoops... Atlantis?), A Knight's Tale, Dued Where's My Car, Joe Dirt, Mummy Returns, Pearl Harbour, and a number that are escaping me.... These are movies with no saving graces. I only enjoyed 6th Day because it was like watching a travelogue of Vancouver, BC - one where we get to see them destroy our library. Other than that, it was a car wreck. I liked Tomb Raider. I wasn't going there looking for Shakespeare; I was expecting a genre film. One involving mystical monsters and shooting. Not unlike how I remember the Indiana Jones movies, but I wasn't expecting anything specific. I had no idea how the movie was going to progress; what little there was of plot was not given away in the first 5 minutes. This is more than I could say of the third Indian Jones movie, or of any Disney cartoon, or any of the movies I mentioned at the start of this post. Hell, I was pleasantly surprised to find any plot at all in Tomb Raider, and was grateful for it. CmdrTaco's brain has obviously been polluted by too much collect-and-trade-with-your friends of Disney memorabilia at fast food restaurants and ebay. I hate to say it, but I agree with Katz. Go see it at a matinee; at least they're generally cheaper.
  • Re:CmdrCrack's comments.... by Art Tatum (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:45PM
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by Art Tatum (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:53PM
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by Art Tatum (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @01:33PM
  • Did you notice the save point? by Krieger (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @04:09AM
  • Guns and Ammo by Accipiter (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:56PM
  • Oh really? by Mongoose (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:25PM
  • Re:Mortal Kombat sucked? by Maserati (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:27PM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by blech (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @02:34AM
  • Re:British Accent (Score:5)

    by general_re (8883) on Sunday June 17 2001, @08:47AM (#145426) Homepage
    Don't take it personally, man - if it's not a New York or California accent, Hollywood is going to butcher it. For some reason, contemporary actors and actresses are under the impression that Foghorn Leghorn is an accurate representation of a Southern (US) accent. Just go rent Cape Fear to listen to DeNiro doing what is probably the worst assassination of a Southern accent in the history of film.

    They can't even pull off regional accents from their own country - yours is going to be a total loss, I'm afraid...
  • Re:gun stuff by Tim Browse (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:27AM
  • What's a Gold Post Head? by Tim Browse (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:38AM
  • he maybe abusing his authority... by beryl (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:26AM
  • Re:At least Chris Barrie was in it! by Mr. Flibble (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:42AM
  • by Mr. Flibble (12943) on Sunday June 17 2001, @08:36AM (#145431) Homepage
    I admit that I was pleased that Chris Barrie (A.K.A "Rimmer" from Red Dwarf) played the part of the butler. Barrie is an awesome actor, unfortunatly it does not show in this movie, as he is basically playing Rimmer again.

    I have played all 3 Tomb Raider games, and I can say Katz is correct. This is a rehash of the game. I felt myself looking for a controller to move Angela Jolie around... (Now thats not a bad idea...) If you have not played the games, then this movie will stink. In fact it DID stink, but I enjoyed it because I have played the games. I would reccomend you check it out on video, not the theater.

    In summary, there is no plot. There is lots of action (with no consequence) there is expensive computer animation that, unfortunatly LOOKS like computer animation. There are more rounds fired in this movie than in all the Robocop and Rambo movies combined - yet no human ever seems to get hit...

    Jolies accentuated padding is actually obvious, as is the patch that covers her "billy bob" tattoo. This movie is all about T&A and action. And that is it.

    I would say that the only thing I liked about was Chris Barrie. Its good to see him get more exposure as an actor.

    The whole irony to this is that the first Tomb Raider Game, actually had a plot, and a purpose. Even the violence inherient in the game made sense. This movie made no sense.
  • Did they even storyboard this thing? (spoiler) by Brize (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:57AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by tregoweth (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:29AM
  • Not a 36 C by zealot (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:32AM
  • Ebert liked it (Score:3)

    by Chris Pimlott (16212) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:17AM (#145435)
    Not all the credits panned it. Roger Ebert gave it 3 stars [suntimes.com], in recognition that while the plot is mindless, it's got some great action sequences and cool set pieces.
  • Re:Taco, butt out by dillon_rinker (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @12:04PM
  • Tom Braider? (Score:3)

    by dillon_rinker (17944) on Sunday June 17 2001, @12:17PM (#145437) Homepage
    So who is this Tom Braider guy, and why is Angelina Jolie in his movie? And what's with that cartoon girl all over Tom Braider's web site?
  • Mr. Cranky says... (Score:3)

    by Mike Schiraldi (18296) on Sunday June 17 2001, @11:39AM (#145438) Homepage Journal
    Mr. Cranky has a great review [mrcranky.com].

    (Don't call me a karma whore; i'm already at 50)

    --

  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Amanset (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:06AM
  • British Accent (Score:5)

    by Amanset (18568) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:34AM (#145440) Homepage
    I'll give Angelina Jolie credit for doing a reasonable british accent

    Actually I'd give her credit for doing a reasonable charicature of a British accent. As usual the British character in a Hollywood movie has developed that British accent which doesn't exist in Britain.

    The problem is that Britain has many quite different accents. They can can change dramatically within 20 miles (my native Warwickshire has no accent even remotely like that of Birmingham, a mere 20 miles away). Time and time again Hollywood ends up with a slightly upper class accent that is far too neutral. If it can't be placed it doesn't exist. When you go to see films like this in Britain it is quite easy to hear the giggling in the cinema - and no they aren't giggling at any jokes.

    Hollywood has a long tradition of frankly appalling British accents, from Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins" through Keanu Reeves in "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (quite possibly the worst example in living memory) to modern example like this and Renée Zellweger in "Bridget Jones' Diary". They are dramatically over the top, competely unplaceable or just plain laughable (back to Mr Reeves again there!).

    I'm sorry, but people from the US have an idea of what the British accent is. Unfortunatley that accent is usually quite far off the mark. It is very rare indeed that an actor from the US pulls it off - and IMHO this is another case of just not managing it.
  • oops. by cpeterso (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:02AM
  • So I'm guessing... by toofast (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:14AM
  • Re:CmdrCrack's comments.... by Klaas (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:47PM
  • Re:British Accent by Squirrel Killer (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @05:14AM
  • Amen! by galen (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:46PM
  • There was a movie?? by Alpha Prime (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:50AM
  • Re:British Accent by gmhowell (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:15AM
  • Avoiding bad movies/games is easy... by kennylives (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:25AM
  • Re:British Accent by Chomp (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @02:30PM
  • Re:British Accent by Rinikusu (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @12:26AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by suraklin (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:12AM
  • Re:Pauly shore by MrNixon (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:42PM
  • Re:Pauly shore by MrNixon (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @07:25PM
  • Taco, butt out by Silicon Avatar (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:19AM
  • Re:British Accent by PovRayMan (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:23PM
  • Re:high-tech firepower? by odaiwai (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:17PM
  • Re:New England Accent by topham (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @05:26PM
  • Blunders by Dopefish (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @01:23PM
  • A Better Lara Croft by rm3friskerFTN (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:20AM
  • Re:Tombraider != crap by gimpboy (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:40AM
  • Re:katz plagiarizes imdb user review! by gimpboy (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @02:27AM
  • Re:katz plagiarizes imdb user review! by gimpboy (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:34AM
  • \Rich, Brave Archaeologists by TheInternet (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @12:01PM
  • by YoungHack (36385) on Sunday June 17 2001, @09:03AM (#145464)
    I saw TR last night and I did like it. It makes me really sad to have you guys just trashing it up and down. I'm not sure what you want.

    I look at TR as a fantasy. It was basically based on a fantasy type video game, yes? So the bad guys are bad, because they're bad; it's a tautology. Why are the bad guys in any fantasy novel bad. Usually, the same reason. They're just evil/non-human/whatever.

    Frankly, I was totally vibed to see a movie where they the didn't try to sell me totally unbelievable action as if it were somehow real. Contrast with:
    Mission Impossible--Jumped off exploding helicopter to moving train and didn't get killed by the explosion?
    Matrix--That dead guy came back to life just in time to save their butts. Give a break. Not to mention the "I love you" resuscitation.
    Armageddon--They jump a trench with that crawler AND survive a massive meteor shower. And those are just two of the stupid plot points I remember.

    If you didn't like the love interest, contrast with any movie where the characters don't even like each other and get together in the end. Or where they spend two movie-hours in relationship angst (where we see no real love developing) and get together at the end anyway. Her father was the love interest, and that was developed throughout the movie.

    And speaking of angst, frankly I was grateful to enjoy an action movie, where I didn't have to feel tense the whole time. This totally in contrast to movies like Armageddon. How liberating to have a movie be FUN!

    TR fits in the same class as movie based on comic books. The Shadow, The Phantom, The X-men (which had too many characters so that no one was developed adequately; see, you never win).

    AND SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR, I think I'll end with an angry remark: I don't think I'll ever submit anything to SlashDot. It was totally out of line to stomp on his review by adding a second review on the tail just because you have the power.

    How does that .sig go? Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
  • Tomb Raider? We've seen nothing yet by letoram (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @09:32AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by _Sprocket_ (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:29AM
  • Re:The badness was overhyped by _Sprocket_ (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:08AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Cruciform (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:56PM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Cruciform (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @09:55AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Simon Brooke (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @01:10AM
  • Re:The badness was overhyped by I_redwolf (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:47AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by mr100percent (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @02:57PM
  • Re:Which review to comment on.... by mr100percent (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:09PM
  • Re:I like Taco's review. by mr100percent (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:11PM
  • Whatever by fizban (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @01:49PM
  • Re:Then how could it be bad? by meatspray (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:29AM
  • by Gorimek (61128) on Sunday June 17 2001, @10:09AM (#145477) Homepage
    I'm from Sweden and have travelled extensively over many parts of the world. I have never been anywhere where it's so hard to get by on my English as Scotland (I should probably say Glascow). Sure, they understand what I say, but it's very rare for me to get what they say. And you can't ask them to switch to English, cuz that is what they're already speaking.

    After 3 days, I got on a train to Greece, never to return.
  • Re:The badness was overhyped by tentac1e (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:07AM
  • Re:The badness was overhyped by tentac1e (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:43PM
  • by tentac1e (62936) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:42AM (#145480) Journal
    First off, Jonkatz, if you're going to write articles that have as large a circulation as Slashdot, proofread them. Mispelling craft just screamed that you wrote this article without looking over it once. That, and all the unsupported claims that seem little more than to pander to your audience when all you're trying to do is write a movie review.

    That being said... Tomb Raider was not a bad film. This movie isn't a _great_ film, but it doesn't set itself out to be one to begin with. Unlike pieces of crap like Pearl Harbor or Gladiator, the film isn't a summer blockbuster trying to mask itself as a epic. The people behind the Tomb Raider movie understood that people are going to see the film for an hour and a half of entertainment, and I think they actually deliver.

    Roger Ebert describes movies like this as "Popcorn movies." The original Mummy was a popcorn movie. The Mummy Returns (not The Mummy's Return) was a movie that tried to be epic, only insulting the audience's intelligence.

    The special effects in Tomb Raider were done well, with little exception. The living statues seemed quite realistic at times, especially the last one. The robot as the film opened was done rather well, except when they switched from the CGI to a real prop. The only complaint I have is the knife at the end. Oh yes, the ending...

    The ending was rather weak. If you show an underground cavern with technology the world has never seen, you expect to see it explicitely blow up at the end while the hero or heroine rush out at the last second. I didn't feel Lara was in danger at any point during the ending. Then again, I don't really remember feeling Lara was in danger at any point in the movie.

    I would recommend the film to people looking to see a summer blockbuster. At my college, we have already ordered a copy of the to be shown through the film committee, for a movie on the Quad when school gets back in session.

  • 5'th element by Nevrar (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:18PM
  • Nice of Taco to jump in here.... just what we need TWO reviews in one (and no chance for Katz to respond since he doesn't have the POWER).

    I saw Tomb Raider last night and enjoyed it. Not only did *I* enjoy it, but my wife, my 18-yr-old son, our two friends (in their 30s) and their three sons (12 down to 5). Nope.. it wasn't Dr. Zhivago but it was fun. Even watching Lara's boobs sway when she ran was fun.

    Katz was right on with this movie... it's meant as fun and not great cinema. Taco needs to learn to keep his finger off that button.
  • Re:speaking on behalf of the Illuminati.... by Bogatyr (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:16PM
  • Re:Noooooo.... by Bogatyr (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @09:11PM
  • gun stuff (Score:4)

    by Bogatyr (69476) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:55AM (#145485) Homepage
    Umm, not all semiautomatic pistols are 9mms. She's using match versions of the H&K .45 pistol the US military adopted for the elite units (SEAL, Delta, etc). Come on, get obvious details right.
    http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/civil/01 _p istols/01_07_index.html
    (exposed URL, cut&paste to see the gun)
    Lara does run out of ammo at least once when it's inconvenient, and does reload frequently. I can't believe I'm defending the realism of a videogame-turned-movie, but it's honestly not as bad as the old western "sixty-six shooters" or the never needs recahrging energy packs of most sf blaster/laser weapons.
  • by Bogatyr (69476) on Sunday June 17 2001, @08:01AM (#145486) Homepage
    I want to formally protest the blackening of the Illuminati's name by being portrayed as the bad guys in so many movies, openly here in Tomb raider and in thinly-disguised slanders in so many other films and novels. Just because you're a secret underground society, it makes defending your name and good works ever so much harder...ahem, sorry.
  • Slashdot's new moto by Zapdos (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:33AM
  • Taco, lay off the kids by eAndroid (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:45AM
  • So basically... by Jace of Fuse! (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:30AM
  • Re:So basically... by Jace of Fuse! (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @07:51AM
  • Re:Scotland - the Horror!! by Demiah (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @03:52AM
  • I didn't like it either. by scumdamn (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:04PM
  • Not enough sadism by TriggerHappy (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:20AM
  • yikes! by MicroBerto (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:14AM
  • Don't feel bad... by artemis67 (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @04:01AM
  • All geeks *MUST* read this TR review. by TomatoMan (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @05:25AM
  • Jon's Right, Taco's Wrong, 5 Star Summer Fun by cybrpnk (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:37PM
  • Now my life is complete! by active8or (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:23PM
  • Ebert is a Boob by zpengo (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:07AM
  • Re:Mortal Kombat sucked? by acacia (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:31AM
  • by Pollux (102520) <splien&gauss,cord,edu> on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:21AM (#145501) Journal
    ...so basically, I gather that when my brain's fried and I really want to watch a movie that has no plot at all, but instead a basic shoot-em-up with the main character being a Barbie doll, this would be the movie to see, huh?

    I'll give Angelina Jolie credit for doing a reasonable british accent, but lets be honest, she was hired because she's a flavor of the month. WHich makes it even more sad that the real point of this movie (Lara's T&A) is padded. And padded so much that when packed into her traditionally tight t-shirt, she looks so much like a toy that I just wanted to scream.

    Well, I mean, come on! Do you really expect that Hollywood could fine someone who could

    1) Fit Laura Croft's body
    2) Know how to operate a 9mm gun
    3) Act

    ...and on top of it all, have a good British accent?

    I think you have a better chance of finding a movie company that is in favor of DeCSS.
  • Re:Then how could it be bad? by DESADE (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @01:43PM
  • Re:gun stuff by pingflood (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @12:33PM
  • Re:speaking on behalf of the Illuminati.... by cei (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:35PM
  • Fucking theif by Sir_Winston (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:10PM
  • by Sir_Winston (107378) on Sunday June 17 2001, @06:51PM (#145506)
    I might as well give my take on the movie. Basically, IT'S A FUCKING POPCORN FLICK, GODDAMMIT! It's not supposed to be a "film" or have any pretensions to greatness. It's entertainment, the kind of mindless entertainment that everyone except whiny pretentious little bitches like the geek comic book store guy on *The Simpsons* likes to watch every once in a while. Sometimes we want a little escapism with pretty scenery and totally outrageous and unrealistic themes and actions and characters. Sometimes this takes the form of things which actually have literary merit, like *Lord of the Rings*, or filmic value, like *Return of the Jedi*. However, the desire to be entertained and escape into a mythic universe for a couple hours is separate from any other value a movie or book may have, except for overly pretentious geeks like our friend from 'The Android's Dungeon'.

    It's only that kind of poor, misguided soul who could nitpick a movie or book whose sole goal is to be enjoyable, mindless pulp fiction. You don't have to be mindless to enjoy it--you just have to want to let your frontal lobes relax after a hard bout of life, and let the more base parts enjoy a little tit, ass, action, fantasy, etc. And that's the kind of movie this was meant to be. It never tried to be more, so slamming it for being what it was intended to be is just bullshit.

    After all, as someone who's seen it, I can say that it was far more entertaining than a movie like *The Phantom Menace*, which not only was a bad movie and bad science fiction, it tried to be a "film" and failed miserably. The only people who weren't disappointed in Episode I were hardcore SW and SF fans and very young children who couldn't comprehend the movie's failings and liked the shiny things and the stupid sidekick. Conversely, the only people who *are* disappointed in *Tomb Raider* are the pretentious geeks who wanted it to be serious SF or more geek-nitpicker friendly, and the critics who want all movies to be "films" with some sort of artistic, dramaturgical, or serious comedic, value, instead of accepting the truism that sometimes an entertaining movie can just be an entertaining mopvie without having to have some other value. The critics who realize that sometimes it's OK to let our higher reasoning parts take a rest and just let our visceral instincts have some mindless fun--like Roger Ebert--acknowledge that this is a good three-star action/adventure. It isn't a *Raiders of the Lost Ark*, but it does deliver the action and adventure it promises. And just because you *can* load an action/adventure movie with more meaningful themes, to make it into an Indiana Jones type film, doesn't mean you have to or even should.

    If you want action and adventure and entertainment you don't have to and shouldn't analyze, then this is your summer action flick. I'f you're a nitpicking dork who can't just relax for a couple hours and enjoy it, then don't bother going. But the suggestion that all entertainment has to have some filmic or literary meaning is just plain misguided. Sometimes we want art and meaning, and sometimes we want to watch shit blow up and watch calves flex and tits strain. Criticizing *Tomb Raider* for not having a less stretchy plot and more filmic meaning is like criticizing *Holly Fucks Beavertown* or most Jackie Chan movies (though a few rhave deeper value) for the same reason.

    I don't want Hollywood to *only* make mindless titty-filled action flicks. But I also wouldn't want them to *only* make meaningful films. It's like comparing RPGs that take some knowledge and thought to FPS that take mostly brute reflex and quick motor skills but only rudimentary strategic skills. Again, sometimes you want to think, and sometimes you want to see stuff explode.

  • How could you hate a movie... by CrowT42 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:16AM
  • worst movie i've seen in a couple years by carlivar (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:20AM
  • by Gregoyle (122532) on Sunday June 17 2001, @10:03AM (#145509)
    Recieved Pronounciation.

    It is the "proper" pronounciation tought in public school to children. Until the late 80's the BBC would not let anyone on their news broadcasts who could not speak in this way. It is also called "BBC English".

    I am not trying to defend American actors who butcher British accents, I am simply saying that there is a very prominent accent in Britain which has no direct regional analogue. I find it hard to believe that someone in Britain has not heard of RP, even if he or she hasn't gone to a public school. Look it up sometime, the teaching of RP has a very interesting history.

  • Re:Then how could it be bad? by SnakeEyes (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:11PM
  • Silly me (Score:4)

    Some movies have been greatly influenced by video games -- The Mummy's Return --
    And here I thought that The Mummy Returns was greatly influenced by it's predecessor, The Mummy.
  • Re:I like Taco's review. by jallen02 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:09AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Grab (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @01:58AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by R.Caley (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:38PM
  • taco, why did you do that? by small_dick (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:13AM
  • Re:Proper Expectations.. by _Bean_ (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:49AM
  • Bless you, Taco by mactov (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:21AM
  • Re:Consistent Opinions by hidden (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:24AM
  • Re:Silly me by DrgnDancer (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:56PM
  • by bellings (137948) on Sunday June 17 2001, @08:33AM (#145520)
    Despite all the media yowling about violence in the movie, there really isn't much. There's hardly a drop of blood in the movie, and the shooting and kicking are cartoonish, not explicit.

    Thak god for this. I think it's really important that movies show a lot of shooting, kicking, and general mayhem, but emphasize that there's no consequences to this.

    It really pisses me off, the way Hollywood usually spends so much time emphasizing the shattered lives, broken bodies, and lost dreams that accompany real lethal violence. I'm glad this movie has chosen to take a stand, and make the point that you can shoot people without any blood, much less diminishing the world.
  • Preach it! by J.C.B. (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:05AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by edunbar93 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:33AM
  • by Salsaman (141471) on Sunday June 17 2001, @11:25AM (#145523) Homepage
    Well, it could be worse, just imagine:

    Minesweeper : the movie

    Solitaire part III.

    Snake (featuring a giant anaconda attempting not to bite its tail)

    Hunt the wumpus. This would be the worst game film ever made. You'd never even see the wumpus, just empty caves and a wumpus hunter.

  • by natpoor (142801) on Sunday June 17 2001, @08:33AM (#145524) Homepage
    Entirely true. Speaking as an American who has experienced various British accents, there seem to be a lot crammed into a relatviely small space.

    I was in Wales once with a bunch of students from all over the UK, and even those from middle and southern England had several different accents. There was one guy fom northern England who I couldn't understand half the time.

    Scotland is also the same way, with a variety of accents. Edinburgh and Glasgow are only about an hour apart by train, but have completely different accents.

  • Re:British Accent by homer_ca (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:15AM
  • Re:Sexy Scene... by BitchAss (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @03:48AM
  • Re:British Accent by deepstephen (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @02:12AM
  • My review by usermilk (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:34AM
  • Re:Intersesting perspective... by Pxtl (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:20PM
  • Re:British Accent by Pxtl (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:31PM
  • I may be dumb but I'm not stupid! by ostone (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:03PM
  • Re:British Accent by Cannelbrae (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:06PM
  • Hermetic Dawn by Spameroni (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:47PM
  • Re:Here is my review. by JMYoda (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @04:21AM
  • Re:Then how could it be bad? by Vantage (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @01:16PM
  • Tomb Raider by anubis__ (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:51AM
  • Re:At least Chris Barrie was in it! by Weedhopper (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:31AM
  • Hey! by fishexe (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:41AM
  • Re:speaking on behalf of the Illuminati.... by MacrosTheBlack (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @02:43PM
  • I can't believe I'm posting this linkage - by arete (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @09:20AM
  • Re:Then how could it be bad? by Daemonik (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:11AM
  • Re:Silly me by sqlrob (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:29PM
  • Re:British Accent by danheskett (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:37AM
  • I think Taco is on crack. :) by Yunzil (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:18PM
  • Re:British Accent by RoadKnight (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:51AM
  • I don't care by WildBeast (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:22AM
  • Re:Scotland - the Horror!! by Spacelem (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @04:27AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by ichimunki (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:55AM
  • Truly I tell you... by ninjawhoreior (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @05:53PM
  • Re:Intersesting perspective... by grammar nazi (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:55AM
  • by grammar nazi (197303) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:41AM (#145551) Journal
    Actually, I agree with JonKatz review 100%

    2 weeks ago (after one of Katz's poorer reviews) I wrote a comment to counter what Katz was going to say. He surprised me by stating basically what I wrote in his review. I guess it only applies to CmdrTaco's review since I agree with Katz. Note, I wrote the following without seeing the movie. Please substitute Katz with CmdrTaco wherever applicable...

    I thought I could outguess Katz, but he surprised me. CmdrTaco fell for it, however so the following applies to him.

    One dimensional characters, lousy acting, plot full of holes? What do you expect? After all, the movie is based upon a video game! Did you think that the video game 'Tomb Raider' is a premis for a great literary work?

    There were three reasons that I will see Tomb Raider, they are:
    1. Hot main character. While she admittadly isn't *that* hot, I am interested in seeing how Hollywood will further alter my idea of the perfect female figure.
    2. Video game action. I'm not talking about Crouching Tiger choreography, rather fun action that uses lots of props and weapons.
    3. Cheesy simple storyline that I don't have to think much to grasp. I'm seeing the movie for fun! I enjoy many films with great storylines that leave me thinking, but it's not neccesary to make a movie fun. I should have Requem for a Dream by that 16th, and a movie like that *needs* a light-fun movie to go with it.

    I have a feeling that I won't be dissapointed when I see Tomb Raider. I'm sure that I've already gotten most of the above 3 things from the Lara Croft Pepsi commercials, so I'm *very* sure that I won't be dissappointed when the movie comes out.

    Oh yeah, it's June 6, I'm writing this because I know what the movie will be like and I know how Katz will respond to it already.

    Don't forget to s/Katz/CmdrTaco/g; and I should have realized that there would be Matrix references in the review. I've yet to see an action movie review on /. without a reference to the Matrix.
  • Re:boy how they managed to work... by NixterAg (Score:1) Tuesday June 19 2001, @08:38AM
  • by NixterAg (198468) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:22AM (#145553)
    the words "TOMB RAIDER" into the script.

    It was like watching a Star Wars movie and hearing Yoda say, "Luke! You'll have to learn the ways of the force before THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!"
    Or Darth Vader announcing, "Luke...there will be no RETURN OF THE JEDI!"

    It was quite silly.

  • "Popcorn Movie" by mblase (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @06:59AM
  • What I would like to know is... by stfu (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @05:19PM
  • Play the Game Jon by Decado (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:57AM
  • Re:Pauly shore by GroovBird (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @12:28AM
  • Re:Stop picking on poor Angelina's chest by satanami69 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:12PM
  • Re:New England Accent by satanami69 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:16PM
  • Lenny Henry by erotus (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @03:06AM
  • Haven't Seen It, But Will . . . by White Roses (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @08:01AM
  • Re:British Accent by The Ape With No Name (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @03:36AM
  • Re:Avoiding bad movies/games is easy... by hearingaid (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @12:48PM
  • asscam by _ph1ux_ (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:11AM
  • Angelina Jolie by Aciel (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @03:43AM
  • by -kyz (225372) on Sunday June 17 2001, @11:59AM (#145566) Homepage
    Hello, John. Give some credit [landoverbaptist.org], damnit.
  • Re:Thank god there's no violence! by 3-State Bit (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:38PM
  • Re:Here is my review. by sandman935 (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @03:05AM
  • Grammar by DiamondScar (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:40AM
  • Re:I think Taco is on crack. :) by Majik Sznak (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @08:29AM
  • Not enough air conditioning by johnjay (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:41AM
  • Re:Taco, butt out by Hobobo (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:27AM
  • Re:British Accent by danox (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:32PM
  • Re:Here is my review. by ynohoo (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:06AM
  • Dark Crystal Theft! Hear hear! by Lottaguns (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:59AM
  • Re:British Accent by corvi42 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:39AM
  • The JonKatz formula... by corvi42 (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:08AM
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by Magnus Pym (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:50AM
  • Happened before by ClosedSource (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @08:52AM
  • Crouching Tiger cast had skills?? by sunhou (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @03:58PM
  • MK (the Movie) kicked ascii! by whizzmo (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:42AM
  • FNORD!! by rigor6969 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:16AM
  • Re:Not enough air conditioning or LSD by ScottBob (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:26PM
  • by fmaxwell (249001) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:08AM (#145584) Homepage Journal
    How could this movie POSSIBLY be good! It's another video game movie marketed at 13-17 year old males who like tits!

    Were you expecting another Doctor Zhivago or Lawrence of Arabia? I just wish that they had chosen an actress that didn't need padding! Then it would have been a perfect movie to watch with the sound muted.

  • Re:Stop picking on poor Angelina's chest by UberLame (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:21AM
  • Re:Silly me by dasunt (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @04:50AM
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by IanA (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:54AM
  • question by IanA (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:06AM
  • Hurl Harbour v Tomb Raider by min0r_threat (Score:1) Tuesday June 19 2001, @05:19AM
  • Accent vs. Dialect by MeltyMan (Score:1) Tuesday June 19 2001, @11:45AM
  • Re:Southern Accent by Greenisus (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:01AM
  • Re:gun stuff by CaptainFlyingToaster (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:37AM
  • SMB (Score:4)

    If Katz is going to give shit about the greatest movie of all times, Super Mario Brothers (starring Dennis Hopper and John Leguizamo in a futuristic wonderworld and featuring a freighttrain plot that crosses dimensions and social rolls with such reckless abandon), we're going to have to throw down. Think I'll start by bouncing off his head, thereby turning him upside and making him kick his feet in the air.
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by lnguyen (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:33AM
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by lnguyen (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @09:47AM
  • Re:Tits? Who cares? by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:44AM
  • Re:Jolie rocks! by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:48AM
  • Re:Then how could it be bad? by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @05:54AM
  • Re:Which review to comment on.... by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:43AM
  • Re:British Accent by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:47AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:52AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:55AM
  • Re:Pauly shore by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:59AM
  • Re:British Accent by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @07:08AM
  • Re:Tits are for kids by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @06:04AM
  • Re:Avoiding bad movies/games is easy... by antek9 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @01:35PM
  • Re:British Accent by antek9 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @02:09PM
  • Re:FNORD! by jonese_67 (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @02:33AM
  • Re:British Accent by Rogerborg (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @03:06AM
  • Re:As long as I've given up moderation in this sto by Rogerborg (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @04:09AM
  • Re:Dude, you guys make me feel so sad. by Rogerborg (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @04:23AM
  • Re:boy how they managed to work... by bzcpcfj (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @03:30AM
  • Re:Videogame revenue is far less than movie revenu by freeweed (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:25AM
  • 80's??? by freeweed (Score:2) Monday June 18 2001, @04:27AM
  • Inconsistincies by M3wThr33 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:59PM
  • Re:British Accent by screwballicus (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:21AM
  • Re:WRONG: Have you ever heard of RP? by Sycraft-fu (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:20PM
  • Re:British Accent by Sycraft-fu (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:26PM
  • Re:Noooooo.... by Sycraft-fu (Score:2) Tuesday June 19 2001, @02:39AM
  • Noooooo.... (Score:3)

    by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Sunday June 17 2001, @08:39PM (#145620)
    That little deal is actually part of the pistol. The gun she's using is called the Heckler and Koch USP Match pistol. You can see a picture (and information) here [remtek.com]. They are .45 pistols so unless the studio got an armourer to redo them, they are .45s. The unit on the front is a barel weight.

    For a little information behind the gun: The gun is a deravitive of the H&K Mark 23 [remtek.com], the gun of the US Special Operations. The MK23, while cool is really expensive so H&K decided to make a series of guns built on similar principles, but cheapher hence the USP series [remtek.com]. The USP series has 3 normal guns, a 9mm, a .40, and a .45, 3 compact guns also 9/.40/.45 and 2 special guns the tactical and the match. The USP tactical is a .45 designed to look and feel like the MK23 and is a little more accurate than the normal USPs as well as having a threaded barrel for a silencer. The USP Match is a .45 pistol that is designed for enhanced accuracy. It's quite a bit larger and heavier than the normal USP .45 (about a half pound more), but for that you get an increase in accuracy.

    I don't know why they chose the USP Match guns for her in the movie, they are designed for target shooting not for running around, the MK23 is more suited to that. I guess they just thought they looked cool. That, and they also have a bit better recoil suppression than the rest of the series (though they all have good RS).

  • Funniest review I have read in ages by geoswan (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:22AM
  • high-tech firepower? by geoswan (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:04AM
  • Hey... isn't this what gamers were waiting for? by Blind_Bard (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:18AM
  • angelina jolie (Score:5)

    by mod you later (326902) on Sunday June 17 2001, @07:26AM (#145624)
    if you're thinking of just going to to see this for angelina jolie, you might consider just renting foxfire [cndb.com] instead because it contains much more porn.

    i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.
  • Followed your advice... by srvivn21 (Score:1) Wednesday June 20 2001, @09:07AM
  • *sniffle* by Guppy06 (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:19AM
  • Not quite a unique thought... by Flying Headless Goku (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:01PM
  • Re:hmm by alexmogil (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:03AM
  • Re:Scotland - the Horror!! by Andrew Allan (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:16AM
  • Re:katz plagiarizes imdb user review! by President of The US (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:44PM
  • What were you expecting??? Lawrence of Arabia?? by fish6boy (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:52AM
  • Re:Here is my review. by jhill (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:20PM
  • Re:Videogame revenue is far less than movie revenu by NutscrapeSucks (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:46PM
  • Sexy Scene... by Francis Frisina (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:09AM
  • Hrm. by keflex (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:19PM
  • Others by SilentChris (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:19PM
  • Re:Trans-lantic Accent by Snootch (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:31AM
  • Haven't seen the movie but.... by 10Ghz (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:45AM
  • New England Accent by ColGraff (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:51AM
  • Pauly shore by ColGraff (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:54AM
  • misuse of operator error by ColGraff (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:57AM
  • Re:asscam by ColGraff (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:00AM
  • We are NOT a liquor store by ColGraff (Score:2) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:32PM
  • There goes the rest of the summer by The1lorax (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:54AM
  • Jesus H. Christ... by phubar (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @06:03AM
  • Re:Videogame revenue is far less than movie revenu by northernlights (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @06:46PM
  • Amazing... by mr_Spook (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @04:13PM
  • Re:katz plagiarizes imdb user review! by adalger (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @09:16AM
  • Re:katz plagiarizes imdb user review! by adalger (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @10:19AM
  • Proper Expectations.. by A Commentor (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:31AM
  • World can't handle us kick ass women by megohm (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @10:43AM
  • Re:Avoiding bad movies/games is easy... by zurmikopa (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @08:55PM
  • Tombraider != crap by linuxchimp (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @07:54AM
  • Re:misuse of operator error by linuxchimp (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @11:57AM
  • Re:Tombraider != crap by linuxchimp (Score:1) Sunday June 17 2001, @12:01PM
  • Re:Why Xena could beat the crap out of Lara Croft by I. M. Bur (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @07:20PM
  • I think Katz reads www.suntimes.com/ebert too much by uhzoomzip (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @07:26AM
  • Gee, CmdrTaco's way too tough on this flick. by Noecene (Score:1) Monday June 18 2001, @08:42AM
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