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Is There A Santa Claus?

Posted by Cliff on Mon Dec 25, 2000 02:20 PM
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d_force asks: "Is there a Santa Claus? - an oldie but favorite during the holidays. =)" It was done back in 1991 and attempts to address the question scientifically. It's a humorous look at jolly old St. Nick, but I'm wondering if you readers out there can come up with something better. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, a joyous Kwanzaa and Eid Mubarak: Seasons greetings to you all and Peace and Good Will to You and Yours. (michael: And have a happy Atheist-Children-Get-Presents Day, too.)
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  • Santa by Chacham (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:44AM
  • Honorary moderation +1 , funny by unitron (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @08:27PM
  • Atheists celebrate by leonbrooks (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:41PM
  • Constantine by leonbrooks (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:54PM
  • what a silly question by revnight (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @02:48AM
  • Re:Not the full version... by Guy Smiley (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:12AM
  • Ode' to santa... by rkt (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:11AM
  • Re:Santa is No More by domc (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:35PM
  • Re:Origin of Xmas by elmegil (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:48AM
  • Re:CHRISTmas by Lord Kano (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:30AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:55AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:08AM
  • Answers [you asked] by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:22AM
  • Re:CHRISTmas by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @01:37PM
  • Re:Discovery channel by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @01:41PM
  • Re:Who is Santa by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:12PM
  • Not-me-ism is pathetic by Felinoid (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:26PM
  • He may still live... by heinzkeinz (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:25PM
  • The Marquis' favorite carol... by Black Parrot (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @12:04PM
  • Re:Old Fave by blasphemi (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:35PM
  • calculations of this stuff? by tomcrooze (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:19AM
  • The Stages of Santa Claus by chill (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:02AM
  • Re:CHRISTmas by gimpboy (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:05AM
  • Re: George Washington & Christmas Day by gimpboy (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:10AM
  • SPY magazine by sirinek (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @12:50PM
  • 1991 sounds about right by darkonc (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:39AM
  • "A More Cohesive Holiday Myth" by unquiet (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @08:02PM
  • Re:calculations of this stuff? by JEI (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @03:13PM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by FattMattP (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @05:26PM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by FattMattP (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:44AM
  • Re:What Many People DONT Know .. by ChristTrekker (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @04:58AM
  • Think Star Trek! by BlueGecko (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:56AM
  • Re:Imagine the horror.. by aridhol (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @03:19PM
  • Re:What Many People DONT Know .. by aridhol (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @03:23PM
  • Re:Finally!!! by Maurice (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:11AM
  • Re:Festiva! by kilrogg (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:44AM
  • Festivus by kilrogg (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:47AM
  • Re:Origin of Xmas by Mr_Icon (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:17AM
  • Atheist Children by Mr_Icon (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:41AM
  • Re:Atheism is pathetic by Mr_Icon (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:48AM
  • Santa's Dead by Ånubis (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:00AM
  • At one time, I'm sure there was by crashnbur (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @06:00AM
  • Re:Old Fave by prog-guru (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @05:26PM
  • Santa is No More by Enonu (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:37AM
  • Fault in study by registered_AC (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:06PM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by geekoid (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @08:49AM
  • Yes, Santa does exist.. by geekoid (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @09:06AM
  • Godfather Christmas Arested Last Night by cybergremlin (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @07:27AM
  • What an athiest calls the day... by ilduce (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @08:41PM
  • Re:Origin of Xmas by Army No Va (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:21AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Army No Va (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:33AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Army No Va (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @02:26AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Army No Va (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @02:31AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Army No Va (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @02:46AM
  • Origin of Xmas by Army No Va (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:46AM
  • Santa is a huge, multinational corporation by PoBoy (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:37AM
  • Re:What Many People DONT Know .. by NetFu (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @11:36AM
  • Obviously... by bonzoesc (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:25AM
  • Story + 2 rebuttals by derrickh (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @07:38PM
  • Re:Proof of Santa's Existance by fjordboy (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:21AM
  • For the Rest-iv-us by aztektum (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @06:38PM
  • Re:Hah by andyh1978 (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:43AM
  • Re:Who is Santa by andyh1978 (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:50AM
  • I coded with that guy! by REden (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:52AM
  • Finally!!! by SnapperHead (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:00AM
  • Re:santa as a quantum event by entranced (Score:1) Wednesday December 27 2000, @12:19AM
  • Festiva! by SoLoatWork (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:48AM
  • Repost by Aldurn (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:32AM
  • Found him! by comcn (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:28AM
  • Well.... by WPL510 (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @05:01PM
  • don't get so excited by Batman Perez (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:41AM
  • TROOTH by Batman Perez (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:54AM
  • The Matrix by kife (Score:1) Wednesday December 27 2000, @04:31AM
  • "Santa"? No... by tru junglist (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:47PM
  • guys...guys... by gTsiros (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:47AM
  • German, but good by Voidhobo (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @03:23AM
  • Wait a minute... by Gunnery Sgt. Hartman (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @04:48PM
  • pay phones by JemalCole (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:33AM
  • You're only as good... by libreazul (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:01PM
  • Goblins & Fairies by nigelb0 (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:25AM
  • Five Santas, actually by arfy (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @07:32PM
  • I saw Santa Claus! by rice_burners_suck (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @08:56AM
  • Re:North Pole is just a big FedEx op by mvdwege (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @03:39AM
  • Is there a santa? by os2fan (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @03:59AM
  • Re:North Pole is just a big FedEx op by LordNyuknyuk (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @01:46AM
  • It's St. Nicolas here in Holland by SqyD (Score:1) Tuesday December 26 2000, @01:27AM
  • Re:calculations of this stuff? by localroger (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:02AM
  • Re:Quantum Physics by RexxFiend (Score:1) Friday December 29 2000, @12:35AM
  • Re:Santa is No More by tireg (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @04:53PM
  • this is awesome. by gags bunny (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:06PM
  • santa the superorganism by vaginux (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @09:59AM
  • We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Flabdabb Hubbard (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:16AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Flabdabb Hubbard (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @10:33AM
  • Re:We make far too much fuss over Christmas. by Schnedt Microne (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @06:21PM
  • Noradsanta is run by volunteers and ads by TheOnlyCoolTim (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @02:12PM
  • Is Santa NOT real? by DC2001 (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @08:36PM
  • Anthropological Origin of St.Nick by mnky_on_acd (Score:1) Monday December 25 2000, @11:42AM
  • it's a hoax! duh! by jafac (Score:2) Tuesday December 26 2000, @10:36AM
  • Descrimination by Ektanoor (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @01:34PM
  • Re:CHRISTmas by Lord Kano (Score:2) Wednesday December 27 2000, @08:16PM
  • voodoo day by nester (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @10:34AM
  • Re:Centrifugal force. by spectecjr (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @06:25PM
  • Re:calculations of this stuff? by spectecjr (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @01:22PM
  • Consider the argument from Cryptonomicon by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @05:23PM
  • NORTH pole? by taniwha (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @07:47PM
  • Re:Sure there is... by Pfhreakaz0id (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @02:03PM
  • Of course by Chairboy (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @09:32AM
  • North Pole is just a big FedEx op by yerricde (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @10:15AM
  • Of course Santa exists! by Raunchola (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @09:39AM
  • Saint Nicholas by Dungeon Dweller (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @05:22PM
  • Re:North Pole is just a big FedEx op by Chester K (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @11:01AM
  • Re:Descrimination by Glowing Fish (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @02:09PM
  • Proof of Santa's Existance by fjordboy (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @10:17AM
  • Hah by andyh1978 (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @10:35AM
  • Not the full version... by ChaosEmerald (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @09:27AM
  • Dead Santa, etc. by Alien54 (Score:2) Monday December 25 2000, @02:59PM
  • Re:Of course Santa exists! by Luminous (Score:2) Tuesday December 26 2000, @11:05AM
  • Re:Descrimination (Score:3)

    by jafac (1449) on Tuesday December 26 2000, @10:12AM (#540548) Homepage
    Penguins only recently gained the ability to run two per sleigh. A bit later, 4-way sleighs were added, but still can't do 8-way sleighs.
  • Does Santa Exist? (Score:3)

    by jd (1658) <[imipak] [at] [yahoo.com]> on Monday December 25 2000, @09:36AM (#540549) Homepage Journal
    This is a difficult question, which should really be broken down into a number of sub-questions:

    1. What defines "Santa"?
    2. What deliniates "exist"?
    3. Who Is CowboyNeil?

    Let's take these one at a time.

    1) What defines "Santa"?

    If "Santa" is that which gives presents at Christmas, then every parent and child is "Santa".

    If "Santa" must be an individual, then St Nick, Robin Hood, etc, must all be candidates.

    2) What deliniates "exists"?

    If Santa is a concept of goodwill, and that concept exists, then Santa must exist.

  • Who is Santa (Score:3)

    by Felinoid (16872) <emot@m-net.arbornet.org> on Monday December 25 2000, @10:39AM (#540550) Homepage Journal
    Santa as a mem: The idea of good will past down from generation to generation vea a holiday
    Santa as a religious icon: Saint Nick...
    Santa as a pagan god [cswnet.com]: "But very few people realize that history clearly shows that Woden was renamed St. Nick or Santa Claus,"
    Santa as a spelling error: Could it be Satan?
    Santa as a perl module: Santa.pm [Gives gifts to good little varables].
    Santa as a Slashdot troll: "First Gift"
    Santa as a Linux user: RedHat...
    Santa as an evil information gathering dark conspericy: "He's making a list and checking it twice.. gona find out whos naughty and nice" [and sell the information? Think those presents are free?]
  • by webmaven (27463) <webmavenNO@SPAMcox.net> on Monday December 25 2000, @10:28AM (#540551) Homepage
    If you want to have something to celebrate today, remember it's Isaac Newtons Birthday [clara.net]! So celebrate by hanging a red apple on your tree...
    Isaac Newton's birthday comes but once a year,

    And when it does it brings good cheer,
    For if it hadn't come at all,
    What would make the apple fall?

    --
  • by citizenc (60589) <cary@@@glidedesign...ca> on Monday December 25 2000, @11:27AM (#540552) Journal
    .. is that there actually WAS a real 'Santa Claus' at one point. No flying reindeer, and he worked on a MUCH smaller scale -- that is, he made toys for the children in his town. And, while it may sound kinda cheesy, I think that the spirit of Santa lives on in everybody. Just look at how (most) of you act around the holidays -- what am I going to get Person X? What about Person Y? Generosity exists in most, if not all sentient life. Cheers.

    ------------
    CitizenC
  • by cruise (111380) on Monday December 25 2000, @01:36PM (#540553) Homepage
    this is where the major flaw is in their calculations. Children are terribly cruel. I highly doubt that 1 good child per household is a proper base point. Perhaps we could go by the bible's 144,000 people who will be "called home" during the rapture. Considering only 10% of those people are children, this leaves us with only 14,400 stops. Add some asbestos sheilding to the reigndeer and I think he could do it. Not to mention most of those 14,400 kids are going to be in the same orphanges.


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  • Quantum Physics (Score:4)

    by jhines (82154) <john@jhines.org> on Monday December 25 2000, @09:33AM (#540554) Homepage
    Santa switched to quantum mechanics a few years ago, and as long as no one observes him directly, he is everywhere at once.

    The list of "bad girls" is what keeps him so jolly.
  • Sure there is... (Score:4)

    by bero-rh (98815) <bero.redhat@com> on Monday December 25 2000, @09:58AM (#540555) Homepage
    We've all seen numerous pictures [bero.org]... And since he's wearing a Red Hat(tm) in each of them, we even know what OS he's running. ;)
  • by mstone (8523) on Monday December 25 2000, @10:22AM (#540556)
    forget the physical explanations.. Santa is a macroscopic quantum event.

    Santa is the observational manifestation of the Christmas spirit, and all the stockings by the chimney and presents under the tree are really just Schrodinger boxes that contain the superimposed waveforms of both a gift and a lump of coal. . that waveform collapses as soon as you look in the box, and since everyone knows in their heart whether they've been naughty or nice, the fact that you're expecting a particular outcome determines what the contents will be.

    this model is strengthened by the fact that Santa takes advantage of the time constraints of a relative universe:

    Santa can appear in any number of living rooms at precisely the stroke of midnight, because in a relative universe, you can't prove that the stroke of midnight happens in any two houses at exactly the same time. . each house represents an isolated frame of reference whose time scale can only be measured relative to any other frame of reference, so being able to see Santa in your own living room means that you are fundamentally unable to prove that he was anywhere else at exactly the same time.

    any connection between two frames of reference that contain Santa is subject to (at minimum) speed-of-light constraints (or more likely, putting-on-slippers- and-a-coat-and-running-next-door- yelling-hey-guess-what-i-saw- whoa-how-did-YOU- get-here constraints), so if either you or the information can get from one frame of reference to another, Santa can get there, too.

    the model is further strengthened by the fact that Santa exhibits uncertainty effects:

    you might be looking at Santa, or you might just be looking at some guy in a red suit. . the real Santa is simply the locus of minimal uncertainty (or maximal belief) that you honestly are looking at Santa. . the effect can be demonstrated with a simple thought-experiment:

    assume that you're walking down a street that has one Santa on each corner. . the position of the real Santa travels along with your point of observation.

    when you're right next to the first Santa, you can be highly confident (assuming you're an optimist) that this one really is Santa. . the one at the other corner is too far away to observe, so the locus of maximal belief occurs at the Santa closest to you.

    as you walk down the street toward the next Santa, you lose certainty that the one you just left is still the real Santa, and gain certainty that the one you're approaching is the real Santa. . at the point precisely half way between the two Santas, the locus of maximal belief is equally distributed between both. . thus, as far as you can prove from that position, either one *could* be Santa, and that's all you can say.

    as you continue to walk toward the second Santa, you become more confident that this really is the one, until you arrive at the same position as this new Santa, only to discover that this is the real one, too.

    the model works just as well for a skeptic, except that the real Santa is always the one on the *other* corner.

  • by iapetus (24050) on Monday December 25 2000, @10:40AM (#540557) Homepage

    But of course. I thought it was a well-known fact that Santa's a Linux zealot. Why else would he enter houses through the chimney simply in order to avoid using the Windows?

  • by Greyfox (87712) on Monday December 25 2000, @09:56AM (#540558) Homepage
    Of the dyslexic child on Christmas, waiting for Satan to come down the chimney...
  • Old Fave (Score:5)

    by fosh (106184) on Monday December 25 2000, @09:45AM (#540559) Journal
    Don't forgett:

    better !pout !cry
    better watchout
    lpr why
    santa claus < north pole > town

    cat /etc/passwd > list
    ncheck list
    ncheck list
    cat list | grep naughty > nogiftlist
    cat list | grep nice > giftlist
    santa claus < north pole > town

    who | grep sleeping
    who | grep awake
    who | grep bad || good
    for (goodness sake) {
    be good
    }
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