Canadian Public Radio Streaming Ogg Vorbis 224
d00dman writes "CBC Radio, Canada's major national public broadcaster is now streaming in ogg/vorbis. Recently CBC had switched from realmedia streams to windows media streams for their radio broadcasts. After receiving a plethora of complaints, suggesting ogg/vorbis as an alternative, CBC has begun a test ogg stream of the toronto stations. They boast in their ogg FAQ that they're encoding with oddcast and streaming with icecast."
It's nice to see..... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Ogg & Andromeda (Score:5, Interesting)
Basically, you need .m3u (audio/x-mpegurl) mapped to a player that can handle Ogg, most often Winamp.
The main problem with Ogg as a "general public" format (as opposed to a "private collection" format) is that the general public still isn't ogg'ed -- but that matters less with a private collection.
Re:Ogg & Andromeda (Score:4, Informative)
Expect to see an "update" or "security fix" for Media Player that messes with the association to always make it point to WMP whenever you start windows or log in...
Winamp handles, Realplayer and Helix sort of do... (Score:2)
I'm not sure how in Windows, Realplayer or Helix would handle the ogg stream if it was set as the default player.
On GNU/Linux systems, XMMS handles the
Re:It's nice to see..... (Score:4, Informative)
Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, because the obvious audience for internet broadcast is a local listener, and you wouldn't be able to listen to it now.
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Moving to Canada so soon? Hang in there; Ohio hasn't been called yet! Have faith!
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typical Canadians (Score:5, Funny)
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AFAIK, that's just a technicality. "Soliciting" for prostitution is illegal, kind of like how smoking marijuana is legal, but posessing it is not.
You can pay a woman to have sex with you, but you can't offer her money for sex, nor can she ask you for it... same rules as dating.
Re:typical Canadians (Score:2, Insightful)
Yeah, Canada is America done right. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Yeah, Canada is America done right. (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, Canada is America done right. (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, Canada is America done right. (Score:2)
Re:typical Canadians (Score:4, Informative)
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Kyoto (Score:4, Insightful)
Kyoto requires that greenhouse gas levels drop 6% below 1990 levels. In 2001, Canada's greenhouse gas levels were 18.5% above 1990 levels. So you're talking about dropping greenhouse gas emissions by 25% in 8 years (assuming they haven't increased since 2001).
Canada has been fighting to get credits for all of their forests as greenhouse gas sinks. That seems to be their plan on meeting Kyoto. Make everyone else agree they don't have to do anything.
As far as I can tell, Kyoto was a feel good measure.
Re:typical Canadians (Score:4, Informative)
It's a little over a year old, but this is still one of my favourite columns by an American looking at Canada. It's not just the weather that's cooler in Canada [post-gazette.com], by Samantha Bennett at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The best quote is probably
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They do have the same sort of fun, cheeky, unforc
Re:typical Canadians (Score:3, Informative)
Common misconception, legalizing marijuana is not on the table at the moment except for chronic pain/palliative care situations. The bill being discussed is decriminilization, which means that possessing small quantities of marijuana will no longer land you a criminal record. Instead it will be a $150 to $800 fine. So marijuana won't be legal, it'll just be a less serious offence.
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STFU.
What's wrong with gay marriages? I don't get it. And what's with all that racism I see everywhere? Words like "nigger" and "chink" flying all around game channels?
What, the American youth today has shitty upbringing?
Anyhow, if the American govt would just outlaw the LLC, and force disclosure of all proprietry software into the public domain... well, that'd be the great act of mankind. Who cares about gay marriages!
Re:typical Canadians (Score:2, Informative)
So by your logic you shouldn't be able to get married if you're infertile??
You can't marry your cat b/c your cat isn't human and doesn't have the same rights as humans. There are economic advantages to
Re:typical Canadians (Score:4, Insightful)
On Slashdot you confuse free as in beer with free as in speach? Still, lets look at the freedom as in rights part.
You see the people freely elect a governement that does this, and if they don't like it they are free to elect one that will change it. Strangely enough, in countries with private health care, you don't find many politicians campaigning against it.
In a perfect world, a government wouldn't need to provide these things, people would never be unfortunate or short sigted enough to need them. Hell, in a perfect world you wouldn't need Governments or taxes.
In the real world you have a choice, let everyone decide and some suffer (both those who could have avoided it and those who couldn't).
All societies require a compromise on freedoms. You have to give some stuff up so everyone, including you, can benefit. Which freedom is more important? Your freedom to spend every bit of your money as you wish, or other people's freedom to live their lives free(er) from sickness?
Sure, some people will then be lazy and take advantage, won't get private healthcare they could afford, but surely to anyone with some basic humanity it is better than letting them become sick or die. That's before you even count
If you feel compelled to put self interest first, consider this. It is in everyone's interest to stop the spread of disease, it isn't like a virus cares if you have health insurance, and some will make you sick and kill you anyway. Good free healthcare benfits everyone, even those with private health insurance.
Re:typical Canadians (Score:2)
The social contract claims that I willingly give my consent to be ruled. It states that I volunteer to submit to force.
But voluntary association and force are not compatible. Every human interaction falls into exactly one of the two categories, never both.
You cannot volunteer to be forced, just as you cannot be forced to volunteer. The concepts are mutually exclusive.
The social contract theory, therefore, is null and void. You are ruled by force, not voluntary consent.
Re:typical Canadians (Score:2)
The relationship between civilian and government is not voluntary, therefore it is not a contract at all. You cannot decide to terminate your relationship with government. Either you play by their rules, or you meet the consequence of deadly force. That's how government does business, and that's the only way it can do business. (If government were voluntary, it
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Yeah, I'm so fed up with paying gasoline tax and not have a say in where that money is spent. I want that money to be spent on the roads I drive on, and only on those roads, but I don't get a say in that.
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The corporations which refuse to be entangled with government any further than required by law are not criminal, until they demonstrate their willingness to initiate of force (theft, fraud, murder, etc) as a means to an end.
Re:typical Canadians (Score:2)
...after your "representatives" make a fortune on the administration costs and use their newfound powers to manipulate what's left of the free market for personal gain.
Of course, I still can't get past the presumption that force can accomplish anything more efficiently than voluntary association.
Re:typical Canadians (Score:2, Interesting)
How about the US paradise - where white conservatives can avoid the draft, drive drunk with impunity, exercise undue power over women's bodies, restrict minority rights, create global issues and ill-will, and leech off the people.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
Useful for less powerfull computers (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Useful for less powerfull computers (Score:2)
" We tested our streams using the Mplayer plugin version 2.66 on:
- Gentoo Linux 1.5.1
- FreeBSD 5.x "
Sometimes I'm happy with how they spend my taxes
Now if only the NPR station I listen to when cbc is playing opera would offer ogg streaming, I'd be set!
Other Ogg Vorbis streams (Score:5, Informative)
Cool, now it's up there with the classical station WCPE [ibiblio.org]!
Does anyone know of any other Ogg Vorbis streams? The only other one I know is a police scanner [ucsd.edu].
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Re:Other Ogg Vorbis streams (Score:4, Informative)
Just to make it easier to find, (because it wasn't immediately obvious to a dimwit like me
Re:Other Ogg Vorbis streams (Score:2)
There might be better ressources, but this one [rikkus.info] has a few stations on the list.
Re:Other Ogg Vorbis streams (Score:2)
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--Dan
Let management know (Score:5, Informative)
Happy about this?
From CBC's Ogg FAQ [www.cbc.ca]:
We're currently testing the streaming of Ogg Vorbis, an open, free audio codec. Please contact CBC Audience Relations [www.cbc.ca] if you have suggestions or comments.
Virgin Radio does Vorbis too (Score:5, Informative)
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The CBC kicks ass (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:4, Interesting)
The CBC's website dates from even earlier than this.
And not only that, but from at least 1996 I used to download WAV files of CBC Radio 1's morning news from their website. Long before most organizations were even thinking about streaming audio, the CBC provided the morning news for download within minutes of its broadcast.
I remember mornings working away in the lab at University, sucking up bandwidth downloading those 10 - 15 minute WAV files so I could bring myself up-to-date with the world while working on assignments.
The CBC has long been on the forefront of journalism and the use of technology in journalism.
Yaz.
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:2)
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:2)
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:2)
The web was quite mature by 1998 and I haven't noticed much innovation since then.
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:2, Insightful)
CBC as a news organization kicks ass - yes.
CBC Television - as a populist TV channel - sorry, there they fail miserably.
Re:The CBC kicks ass (Score:3, Informative)
Here are my suggestions for good programs on CBC Television:
The Nature of Things (with David Suzuki)
Da Vinci's Inquest
The National (news broadcast)
Just For Laughs Gags (hidden ca
"CBC Planning to dump modern online radio streams" (Score:3, Interesting)
Bandwidth saving URL:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:jguk
Otherwise:
http://jguk.org.nyud.net:8090/#blog
Finally, my boadband connection link:
http://jguk.org/#blog_2004-10-09
Cheers, now3djp
CBC's Windows media streams work with mplayer ... (Score:5, Informative)
Despite the parent article stating there were a plethora of complaints when the CBC switch from Real Media streams to windows media, they do, in fact, provide information [www.cbc.ca] on their site for unix users to access these streams.
For the ogg streams, they only provide access to the stations in Toronto, rather than the local stations.
Whichever format, though, I'm happy that I can listen to the CBC on the operating system of my choice. However, I think it is appropriate that a public service broadcaster use a format that is unencumbered and hence accessible to all.
Way to go! (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's hear what they are broadcasting, anyway. BTW, anyone aware of a cooperative streaming solution (i.e. clients serve to one another, like Bittorrent)? I've worked one myself (StreamDist [nyud.net]), but it's not really production-ready and I haven't worked on it for some time now.
And yet they are dropping other formats. (Score:4, Interesting)
Why?
Because of the technical complexity of running multiple streams and getting it all to work.
So its really quite interesting that they are adding a new streaming format at the same time.
Or is their plan to lose windows media player as well?
Michael
Wow complaining works! (Score:3, Funny)
Does anyone know of a good ogg client for OS X?
Re:Wow complaining works! (Score:2)
VLC works for me with this stream.
The only problem I ran into was that FireFox wouldn't allow me to select VLC as the helper application when I clicked on the stream link -- it wanted to use iTunes. I let it (as I recently installed the Vorbis Quicktime plug-in), and while it loaded the stream, it wouldn't play (a problem with the Vorbis QuickTime plug-in I presume).
Instead, I copied the URL of the .m3u file, opened VLC, and selected "File -> Open Netw
Re:Wow complaining works! (Score:2)
Now that they've switched, you're going to remember to congratulate them on it, right? Maybe even a little 'thank you'?
Still, it warms my heart to see that they have tested their streaming on Mplayer under FreeBSD and Gentoo (Linky [www.cbc.ca].) They even tell you how to reduce buffering time in Mplayer by changing its .conf file.
For those with a penchant for other
Re:Wow complaining works! (Score:2)
Wierd though curl seems to get it fine.
Holy crap! I scooped /. (Score:2)
Of course, I live in Canada and listen to CBC every day so maybe I don't count.
Re:Holy crap! I scooped /. (Score:2)
http://www.canopener.ca/article.php?story=20041022 145355406 [canopener.ca]
CBC not only innovative, but Honest Too... (Score:5, Interesting)
If anyone would like to hear what the rest of the world is thinking and doing, catch the news and editorials on CBC... By the way, BBC radio does this too.
Re:CBC not only innovative, but Honest Too... (Score:2)
Stop! Stop! You're bringing a tear to my eye. I think I hear O Canada playing softly in the background. I must turn on the CBC.
Unfortunately, those nerds in Information Management won't allow us to stream audio. I sneaked this little device into the office called a "radio".
Re:CBC not only innovative, but Honest Too... (Score:3, Insightful)
My God! You're right! The CBC is reporting on what the governments of Canada (local, provincial, and federal) are doing!
Um...what else is news, precisely? Their international stuff is usually pretty good--less slanted than the U.S. outlets, close to
Favorite Streams (Score:2)
What are peoples favorite streams? I've only really found one place that I like so far but then again I mostly listen to techno. Check out http://www.digitallyimported.com/ if you're into that kind of thing.
--HC
Speex? (Score:2)
Of course, Speex is probably not supported as well as Vorbis is.
CBC, you rock! (Score:2)
I've admittedly been a long time CBC listener. I've been wanting for a long time to get a shortwave radio so I can pick up CBC's Radio Canada International service when I travel outside the country (but have kept putting it off as I haven't had occassion to leave Canada for the last couple of years). The CBC is by far the best news and information service in North America -- they actually take investigative journalism seriously. I'd argue they're one of the best news and information services in the world
I complained to them about 6 months ago! (Score:2)
great news (Score:2)
Re:great news (Score:2)
To the question: "Why does YLE not use Ogg Vorbis sound format which is patent free and "Open Source?""
They answer: "Of all the new media formats, Ogg is one of the most interesting. The BBC has tried Ogg and we are following the development of this technology with great interest."
Did they change it just now or did you just rip that quote out of your ass?
This has a bit of history behind it (Score:5, Informative)
At the start of September the CBC switched exclusively to Windows Media 9. I fired off a few e-mails to hosts I'd corresponded with before, and to their news desk. I noted they were denying "universal access" to their internet radio (that's a good push-button word in Canada) because the latest codecs were not supported by Linux/Unix based media players. I strongly suspect I wasn't the only one, since it only took about a week for them to switch to WM7/MS-MPEG4 for their streams, which Xine and Mplayer seem to handle more reliably.
On one of their promo-spots before the news they even explicitly said "even linux users" could listen on their internet streams. :-)
The switch to testing Ogg was a little later, which runs against their stated "one-stream" policy. I also strongly suspect Akamai was behind the original switch. Akamai streams the CBC content and are a "Microsoft Partner" company in the venture. It sounds a bit to me like Akamai sold them a bill of goods in the name of cost cutting, and that the response was not what they expected. I'm quite sure listeners in Europe, where MS does not reign quite as supreme, were not pleased. I've had notes from friends over there asking how to stream WM7 on Linux.
Then, three weeks ago, I submitted this story. (...but I'm not bitter...) :^)
The CBC is not only great radio and television, it's also an organization full of really nice, really smart folks, and has been voted in the top 100 places to work in Canada.
Veronica / kinkfm (Score:3, Interesting)
Mac Ogg Client? (Score:2)
Re:Mac Ogg Client? (Score:4, Informative)
Sourceforge Quicktime Components [sourceforge.net]
Play Ogg Vorbis file on QuickTime (including QT-based players, like iTunes). Note that this is still under development and may have bugs.
http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/
A Better QuickTime Ogg Vorbis Plugin [macosxhints.com]
Try this one if the Sourceforge one above dosen't work for your configuration.
http://www.macosxhints.com/articl
MacAMP [macamp.com]
Like WinAMP or XMMS.
http://www.macamp.com/
Whamb [whamb.com]
Whamb player, haven't tried it.
http://www.whamb.com/
More Ogg Vorbis Software [vorbis.com] for MacOS X
Here's a list from the Vorbis folks.
http://www.vorbis.com/software.psp/
What player? (Score:2)
Re:What player? (Score:2)
Quirks & Quarks science show's had ogg for a w (Score:2)
Simple popularity vs. technical, licensing issues (Score:2)
Re:ogg band wagon (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Simplest Ogg Streaming Clients for non-Unix Use (Score:3, Funny)
MacOS 9 - upgrade
Amiga - buy a new computer
Re:Simplest Ogg Streaming Clients for non-Unix Use (Score:2)
Re:Simplest Ogg Streaming Clients for non-Unix Use (Score:2)
Heck, you can get Ogg/Vorbis streaming working with ALL of those. See: vorbis.com
Re:Simplest Ogg Streaming Clients for non-Unix Use (Score:2)
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Re:Does this mean.. (Score:3, Informative)
For the picky ones: "A free (open) encoding algorithm."
Usually, they don't know what is an algorithm, what is encoding, so, you end up saying: "Download Winamp and shut up!"
They could use 'Freedom Audio' (Score:3, Informative)
Freedom Audio [freedomaudio.com] is a simple java web-page embedded player which can play OGG/Vorbis streams.
It uses Javascript/Java 1.1 so it'll run with *most* browsers without needing to get the Sun Java VM.
The player loads automatically and begins streaming with just one click so there is no need for a standalone player and the prospective listener doesn't even *need* to know that playback is using OGG/Vorbis format. (Although it would be nice if they did know.)