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Tracking Social Networking In Shakespeare Plays
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on Thu Mar 11, 2004 07:37 AM
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from the rosencrantz-and-guildenstern-closely-allied dept.
An anonymous reader writes "By feeding PieSpy (an IRC bot used to visualise social networks) with the entire texts of Shakespeare plays, it became possible to produce drawings of the social networks present in his plays - it is now possible to visualize the relationships between the characters in his works, and see Shakespeare in an entirely new light."
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What about... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.lustosa.net/)
Re:What about... (Score:5, Funny)
<HAMLET> Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow
of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath
borne me on his back a thousand times;
<L33tBoi> ROFL LOL!!!? u r a fag
2 Pie or not /=\2 (Score:4, Funny)
Re:2 Pie or not /=\2 (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.iki.fi/rowan)
Re:2 Pie or not /=\2 (Score:5, Funny)
Clearly Hamlet is attempting first 2b. If that returns false, then he'll attempt !2b. As these are attempted in succession and not at the same time, it is possible though unlikely that both return false. More likely is a fatal error which Hamlet appears not to worry about trapping.
As Spock would say... (Score:3, Interesting)
oh thank god (Score:1)
ENG 201 (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.colingregorypalmer.net/)
No thanks. My high school english classes did a good job of making sure that I'd never enjoy classic works.
There's no way to make someone hate reading faster than english classes.
-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]
Re:ENG 201 (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.adastra.co.uk)
I read as little as possible, thought all the books must be rubbish.
Now I'm older, and I've reread some of the books we did (1984, Of Mice & Men, Royal Hunt of the Sun, various sharespeare, Chrysalids, Farenheit 451 etc).. and I'm finding that they're actually pretty good.
Perhaps you should try it? Get yourself a couple of Shakespeare DVDs (the Brannah ones are quite good), sit back, and enjoy. Then once you know the basis of the story you'll find that the text is rather less opaque.
Enjoy!
Re:ENG 201 (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.mikeash.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday August 11 2004, @12:57AM)
Today, plays are a rather rarefied thing; it's a specialist, almost elitist, art. But when Shakespeare was alive, the theater was what your local MPAA-approved cinema is today: mostly trashy entertainment for the unwashed masses. I think he would have seen it as only natural to make his plays into movies once movies were invented.
Re:ENG 201 (Score:4, Informative)
Re:ENG 201 (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.toombeola.com/)
Re:ENG 201 (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://leetie.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday March 19 2005, @06:00PM)
Re:ENG 201 (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.timalmond.com/)
Before any kid is given a book of a Shakespeare play, they should go and see it performed.
And a note to english teachers - these are stories and are meant to entertain people - remember that when you teach it.
Symmetric vs. Asymmetric relationships (Score:5, Insightful)
A more powerful version of PieSpy would examine the text (and context) of who is connecting to whom. For example, the introduction of new words by some members of the network and the echoing of those words by others would help identify the directional flow of information in the network and help assess the level of control of the thread by some members over others. Analyzing the emotional content of words in threads could probably even let the software make approximate judgements of who likes/hates whom. Analyzing when some members leave IRC as a function of the joining of other members might also help detect asymmetric relationships.
Re:Symmetric vs. Asymmetric relationships (Score:5, Insightful)
Spot on. The plots are driven by asymmetric interpersonal relationships. It is the very basis of all the humor and all the tragedy.
Re:Symmetric vs. Asymmetric relationships (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday November 27, @03:27PM)
You mean that A loves B but B doesn't realize she's a woman dressed as a man and therefore loves C who loves D? I guess that's true.
On the other hand, what does come across strikingly is how the peripheral goofball characters (Dogberry and Verges, the rude mechanicals, the various collections of guards) float around in isolation for four acts before crashing in to help wrap up the ending.
Can ANYONE explain (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday November 08 2004, @10:00AM)
... the latest craze about social networks like Orkut or Friendster? I'm indifferent to the internet or the people on the internet so I highly doubt social networks on the net will ever be even slightly interesting for me, personally. But I really don't see what's worth the fuss about them, because they aren't exactly incorporating ground-breaking technologies, stunning visualizations nor original and efficient business plans. So while I don't doubt the fact these "social networks" are fun for those participating, I don't actually see anything about them that's worthy of a front page post on Slashdot...
Maybe a nice new topic on Slashdot called "The Internet Society" with stuff like *logs, social networks and everything else regarding the social aspects of the internet?
Re:Can ANYONE explain (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.colingregorypalmer.net/)
While I can't answer why it's a craze right now, I can tell you why I personally like using Orkut.
I've always liked the idea of bulletin boards and discussion groups on the internet, but I found them less than engaging in practice. The main reason for this for me was because they were faceless. I could never remember if I had replied to HMN22's comments before or not -- I could never get a sense of the personalities I was interacting with.
On the communities in Orkut, I can see a picture of the person next to each comment they make. That is a world of difference for me. Now I can much more easily remember if I've interacted with that person before. Also, I can check out their profile and get more of a sense of who they are.
But as I said, that's just why I like it -- I'm sure many others have very different reasons.
-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]
Re:Can ANYONE explain (Score:4, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Friday April 01 2005, @08:09AM)
The internet and WWW are more than information technologies or even communications technologies, one of the most complelling uses for them are as technologies for maintaining relationships aka relationship technologies (and yes, I realize that differentiating this from communications might seem difficult, but for now lets leave it at communications being an important part of a relationship). The importance of relationship technologies can be seen in how instant messaging, chat and especially email have driven the widespread adoption of technology. These social networks are really just the latest experiment. Whether or not it will succeed to the point where they are as ubiquitous as email or IM is questionable. Nevertheless they are worthy of some attention, and possibly even the occassional front page post on Slashdot as examples of how technology is being applied to the important aspects of peoples daily lives and thus being ever more embedded in these lives.
More generally, the study of social networks are helpful for understanding things ranging from power relationships in society to the adoption and diffusion of innovation, not, of course, that Orkut or Friendster is likely to help with this aspect.
Re:Can ANYONE explain (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm indifferent to the internet or the people on the internet
People who bother to say something to other people are trying to reach out to other people. Obviously you wanted people on the internet to read what you wrote otherwise you wouldn't have written it and submitted it to ./.
Thus the very making of this comment makes it incorrect.
Chat room relic.... (Score:3, Funny)
(http://www.timalmond.com/)
Re:Chat room relic.... (Score:4, Funny)
Then there's the FPS version... (Score:4, Funny)
(http://slashdot.org/)
And bear't before him: thereby shall we shadow
The numbers of our host and make discovery
Err in report of us.
Macbeth: OMG! WTF camping n00b
orkut (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.colingregorypalmer.net/)
Now if only I could think of a clever way to start emailing Juliet.
-Colin [colingregorypalmer.net]
Re:orkut (Score:5, Funny)
(http://home.primus.ca/~ronsharp/tororg.html)
You've got law-enforcement!
Maybe someone can work out... (Score:4, Funny)
Slashdotted (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Saturday April 15 2006, @06:56AM)
I would love to send this to an english major friend of mine but this site is way well hosed as soon as it hit the main page.
Am I the only one ... (Score:2, Insightful)
This could have easily been done with any other author/book/etc. Lord of the Flies [gerenser.com] IMO would have been more fitting
Sunny Dubey
Re:Am I the only one ... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.ladle.demon.co.uk/)
Theorising, somewhat, but if this software was designed for IRC, it expects input roughly in the form "Name of speaker: words spoken".
Hence it needs plays rather than novels.
Porn (Score:2, Funny)
Stephen King (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.skroz.net/)
feds can use it (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://zen2.eum.ro/~gelu)
Data files? (Score:2)
other works (Score:1)
Mirror (Score:1)
Impossible? (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.cobios.org/john/gallery/)
And this was impossible up until now exactly why?
We used to do that back in school... (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.portinari.de/)
But what about the monkeys? (Score:1)
We we eventually get the same result?
Mirror for downloads? (Score:2)
uh oh... (Score:1)
(http://www.byopvr.com/)
Social Networks or not... (Score:2, Funny)
Mirrors of text and program (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Wednesday January 07 2004, @06:11AM)
Program [cox.net]
http://www.jibble.org/files/PieSpy-0.2.2.zip
(Original link, only use if mine is down and YOU are going to mirror.)
Robert Jordan (Score:1, Funny)
Sometimes a name appears in a book and you have to think back four or five books to the last time you saw that person to figure out whether they're with the Light or with the Shadow.
Not so smart (Snug/Joiner) (Score:3, Insightful)
Wow. (Score:1)
/. Friends (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Sunday April 16 2006, @09:28PM)
It'd be interesting to see how the community is aligned.
wbs.
Rosencrantz is there, but not Guildenstern? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.hiregeeks.com/)
Application for this technique (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, actually, let your agent's geek assistant do it for you -- after all, you "have people" for that sort of thing, don't you?
Henry V... what the...? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday September 24 2003, @10:01AM)
- I am forgetting a scene
- I am misreading the graph
- This thing isn't very accurate
Anyone else got any input? How should I be reading this?Revolves around me (Score:2)
Soliloquies? (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.wackyfun.net/)
Seems like the thickest line should be a loop from Hamlet back to Hamlet.
Heh.
I wonder to what extent... (Score:2, Interesting)
A particularly welcome use of technology, although as a budding English teacher I may be somewhat biased... ;)
How fitting... (Score:3, Funny)
(http://www.pacificnet.net/~joelinux)
Missing a few relationships (Score:3, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday November 03 2003, @03:59PM)
In the Henry V [anlx.net] graph, for example, Canterbury and Pistol should be connected to Henry V.
(Pistol and Henry were actually close friends, but that's from a previous play. Still, they do have one conversation in Henry V).
In general, the plays they're looking at have fairly small graphs. Shakespeare's tragedies are comparatively small productions. If you want to do something useful, graph out the really big histories: Henry IV or Henry VI. Or better yet, take Henry VI parts 1, 2, and 3, along with Richard III, and graph out the entire War of the Roses, according to Shakespeare.
Swimming to Cambodia (Score:2, Insightful)
(http://attrition.org | Last Journal: Tuesday August 10 2004, @01:03PM)
ObSimpsons (Score:1)
(http://www.generationxyu.com/)
Guildenlenny: "Yeah, if he touches either one of us he's dead!" Rosencarl/Guildenlenny: "Boo-yah!" *high-five* *Rosencarl and Guildenlenny die*
Sophocles (Score:1)
(http://nickdouglas.net/)
Neal Stephenson (Score:3, Informative)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~bluethundr | Last Journal: Tuesday August 19 2003, @12:23PM)
Forget Romeo, what about PieSpy (Score:1)
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ | Last Journal: Friday August 27 2004, @06:36AM)
My thought is this: Do local or even federal monitors make use of these types of programs to map the citizenry. If they're not then why not? If they are then why and how is it benefitting the citizenry? Could social network tracking be used to harass an individual if the wrong people become privy to social networking data which has been compiled, filtered, and prepared? For example, looking at a bare network log of TCP connections from a one month period is pretty useless until it's filtered and prepared to identify the proper patterns. If some teenage script-kiddie has stumbled across a running archive of prepared social networking data which describes people in his physical locale then...
Well... the possibilities are endless, aren't they?
As an aside: Are you paranoid if they really are out to get you and, with 'bots like PieSpy around, aren't they really out to get you?
Dickens (Score:1)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Not Impressed (Score:1)
Downloads Closed??? (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Thursday August 07 2003, @11:47PM)
Marketing (Score:2)
(http://haltingpoint.blogspot.com/)
One of the things being worked on now is software which can analyze social networks and turn it into useful data for PR people and advertisers who can use it for viral marketing. Viral marketing is basically getting people to hear about your product by word of mouth. It is incredibly effective because of the trust people have in each other. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Re:Hamlet (Score:1, Funny)
castle:
if(!kill(Claudius))
goto mother;
Um.... (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Monday December 20 2004, @01:32PM)
So... Karl Rove is the Shakespeare of the 21st century? :-)