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MIT's Acrobatic Helicopter
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michael
on Tue Feb 05, 2002 02:43 PM
from the it's-a-bird-it's-a-plane dept.
from the it's-a-bird-it's-a-plane dept.
YourHero writes: "MIT has a new toy, a remotely-piloted helicopter that's agile, stable, and in the current public mood, perfect for urban combat and reconnaisance and surveying disaster sites. Oh, and it's also good for aerial photography. It's so good that it even does 360-degree aileron rolls at the flick of a switch. The release gives some basics, videos and other juice are here.
This cost $40k, excluding labor, because technically, student labor is "priceless" - so a nod to Kara Sprague, Alex Shterenberg, Ioannis Martinos, Bernard Mettler, and Vlad Gavrilets, who probably provided most of the labor. Stringfellow Hawk has not been reached for comment."
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Usefull (Score:1)
Though I wouldn't want one of these for an evac chopper.... Some things just can't be replaced.
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Pop-up ads (Score:2, Funny)
How long until someone starts selling these with some stupid pop-up ad campagin, a la X-10 cams.
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how cool is this? (Score:2)
Awww (Score:4, Funny)
...there is still no Helicopter Ejection Seat
Re:Awww (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't have a link, sorry.
Is my Karma up to 50 yet? it's a slow day at work..
The Comanche rumour is BS, and other corrections (Score:5, Interesting)
Every effort at creating an ejection system for US rotary wing aircraft has been met with irristable resistance by the Aviators.
One methid, firing the seat through the floor. That is fine if you are an airforce guy at FL 2 zillion, but for us the ground is about 10 to 50 feet below the aircraft when we are most likely to need an ejection seat.
Second, not many of us like having explosives strapped around the rotor head at any time.
Third, most of us are not all that confidant that the firing sequence would work every time, i.e., not trusting the explosives in the head to blow early enough for the blades to clear the path of the seat flying up through the plane of the rotor disk.
One glairing item from this story:
HELICOPTERS HAVE NO AILERONS! They might mean a "snap roll" or a 360 degree z axis roll, but there are no ailerons on a helicopter.
This is nothing new anyway, any fully articulated rotor system OR rigid rotor system, with a powertrain posessing enough power, can safely do rolls, loops, etc. Don't try this at homw with your UH-1 or OH-58/Jetranger or Longranger, they have semi-rigid rotor systems that will break if you try to maneuver at less than
perfect for urban combat (Score:1, Insightful)
you people are scary.
Potential uses are astonishing. (Score:4, Funny)
Making movies is not cheap (Score:1, Insightful)
The main usage of these is air shows. Even for the military, there isn't much need for a maneuverable drone. What they need are fast drones that are very expendable. These things are way too complicated to be useful in the near term.
Re:Making movies is not cheap (Score:4, Insightful)
Dude, that doesn't make any sense. Just because the studios can use a cheap drone helicopter doesn't mean they would have to give up professional cameramen. Furthermore, it brings all kinds of different cinematography to the table, without the need for CG.
Even for the military, there isn't much need for a maneuverable drone.
What are you basing this statement on? I would say it's very clear the military definitely has a need for small, cheap, maneuverable drones. Between combat and safety, I can think of a myriad of applications for these.
Re:Making movies is not cheap (Score:5, Funny)
The Comanche costs [fas.org] (will cost? may cost? link is from 1997) $26M each. Even at the current cost that means approximately 650 of these helecopters for the cost of one Comanche. They are (were?) taking about buying 1600 Comanche helicopters. That works out to 1,040,000 drones for the same cost.
Imagine you add a saturday night special to the helicopter and you send a million of these things sweeping into Iraq. Now the only problem is finding enough trained [helosim.com] pilots.
Wait. Scratch that thought. I just had a vision of a million, unsupervised 14 year old boys in control of armed, remote control helicopters.
Re:Making movies is not cheap (Score:5, Funny)
Did you ever watch the Robin Williams movie _Toys_? They were basically doing this. The movie, while not being *good* per se, is a pretty interesting watch, if just for the visuals.
ummm... (Score:4, Funny)
untill this thing can go mach one and lift ernest borgnine, i really doubt stringfellow hawk will need to comment...
double edged sword (Score:1, Interesting)
"innovative control strategies" (Score:4, Insightful)
As nonlinear analysis techniques become more and more prominent in engineering design, we'll start to see more and more of these technologies which can accomplish extremely difficult technical challenges.
How did they code this? (Score:2, Interesting)
Now that would be a cool thing to hack!
This isn't the only one (Score:5, Informative)
The task this year is to fly 3 kilometers along 4 waypoints, identify a building and an open entrance on the building, deploy a subvehicle (not necessary, but practically necessary) through the entrance, and have the subvehicle return reconaissance to the judges 3km away.
Many people opt to use R/C helicopters and modify them (we are using an XCell
Stringfellow Hawk (Score:4, Funny)
getting into rc helis (Score:1, Interesting)
the Raptor 30 is an excellent model to start with
Delivery! (Score:1)
Requisite Open Source Tie-In (Score:1, Interesting)
Autopilot.SourceForge.Net [sourceforge.net]
Doing this for a few years now... (Score:5, Informative)
You know (Score:2, Informative)
I just thought I would add that bit of information since landing and takeoff of radio controller helicopters are arguably the most difficult thing to learn to do.
Also, companies have produced camera/camcorder mounts for these types of helicopters too.
My idea: privatize the war on terrorism (Score:5, Funny)
Imagine this: The Pentagon offers to transport, arm, and fuel home-built drone aircraft to fly against Al Qaeda. Your aircraft must meet the following requirements:
- On-board GPS
- On-board video capability
- Must be controlled via a soon-to-be-built wireless IP network in (let's say Somalia)
- 500-pound payload
From the comfort of your home, you can patrol your Pentagon-assigned territory, and engage targets as designated by the JSTARS targeting system.I figure the Pentagon can probably turn a profit by charging fees as they provide what is essentially the world's most realistic flight simulator. As an added bonus, they could sell the TV rights to the on-board video. Wouldn't it be fun to watch "The World's Most Terrified Terrorists"? Imagine what the MIT folks could build for this mission!
I think the most ironic part of the whole idea is that it turns the tables on the bad guys. Under this scenario, their most terrfying time of day would be when school gets out in the US. "Oh no! Schools out! Everyone head for the caves!"
What a neat application for embedded Linux.
Still using "Wright Brothers" fuel tank? (Score:1)
Free Software helicopter autopilot (Score:5, Interesting)
Unlike the academic projects, you can download our code [sourceforge.net] and contribute!
Aileron Roll???? (Score:2)
Anyone able to shed some light on this? Creative terminology, or something more interesting?
Combat? (Score:3, Interesting)
The recoil of a rocket launcher, on the other hand, would be minimal. Problem is to aim the pod, since you can not adjust fire during firing in the same way - since you would carry only, say, 10 rockets. The aiming problem would mean you'd probably have to include hydraulics for tilting and rotating the pod, wich means more weight.
'course, you could just pack the thing with 15 kgs of plastic explosive, fly it into a building full of your opponents of choice, and set it off.
The Hellfire missile [fas.org] used on the Predator UAV [fas.org], for example, weighs 45 kgs. Obviously, this is too much for this litte chopper.
I wonder how this extra weight affects flight performance. Does anyone have any more info on this?
"Priceless" labor... (Score:1)
You mean free, as in beer?
/. effect in full effect.... or something (Score:1)
Will Hopefully Replace Traffic Copters (Score:5, Interesting)
Screw the Split-S (Score:1)
Then, we arm it, and figure out how to put booster jet engines on it.
THEN we call Stringfellow.
So easy to use it practically flyes itself... (Score:1)
Maybe not good for all-around recon (Score:1)
They're also probably a lot louder than existing drone planes.
I could see how these might be useful for, say, scouting out forested areas below the forest cover, or even going inside (large) buildings, etc. But if you want to send one into Iraq from Saudi Arabia, that's not going to happen.
School kids way behind adults (Score:2, Insightful)
Grown ups in the commercial world already had this idea, and implemented it years ago:
http://www.hicam.com.au/art_bw1.htm [hicam.com.au]
Incorrect term (Score:2, Informative)
According to Dictionary.com [dictionary.com] an aileron is:
"Either of two movable flaps on the wings of an airplane that can be used to control the plane's rolling and banking movements."
Since a helicopter doesn't have ailerons, only a control rotor, this isn't, strictly speaking, an aileron roll; its more of a control rotor roll.
seen it all before... (Score:2, Interesting)
vs. Predator (Score:2)
Predator: range 400 miles/40 hours, altitude 25,000 feet, cruise speed 70 knots.
XL: Total weight 11 pounds. Total run time 5 minutes.
Predator: Payload > 450 pounds. Accessories: helfire missles, high resolution optical and infrared zoom (19-560mm) cameras (I actually used the a Wescam in development, it was sweet!), synthetic aperture radar (resolution 1 foot) for all-weather surveillance, a laser designator and rangefinder, electronic support and countermeasures and a moving target indicator (MTI). Automated gunfire detection.
XL: Total weight, ~11 pounds. Payload: A small video camera.
Predator: UHF and VHF radio relay links, a C-band line-of-sight data link (range 150 NM) and UHF and Ku-band satellite data links.
XL: A 49 MHz hobby RC link
Predator: fixed-wing design, which is generally lower maintainence.
XL: rotary wing, which generally has higher maintainence.
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I think that this could probably be turned into a tool for war, and that the automated flying (like what is built into the Predator) being developed for helicopters by this project would be useful to that end, but it's just one aspect of the total system... to accurately cost a production system, you'd have to have a much better idea of the entire system's design requirements.
Just what MIT needs (Score:1)
Now only if MIT could pull off another stunt at the big Harvard v. Yale football game.
Urban combat... anti-globalization protesters (Score:2, Informative)
How would these helicopters help in such situations? They could be used to douse protesters with pepper spray and tear gas directly from above -no need to send police into a crowd anymore! How to distinguish those pesky so-called "free-speech" protesters from window-smashing anarchists? Just equip the copters with face recognition software! Officers can put their time to better use photographing crowd members' faces to feed back into the system!
Have an rowdy situation unfolding? Simply arm these copters with fletchers full of sleeping potion, and you can rest assured they'll be hauled off to the slam, where they belong!
(In New York City, this past Saturday we saw one of the largest turnouts for a global trade-related protest in
Existing Industrial Use Unmanned Rotary UAV (Score:1)
The ability to do aerobatic maneuvers is interesting, but not tremendously valuable to most rotary UAV missions. Take-off and landing in high wind conditions with a flick of a switch would VERY impressive.
Yamaha Motors has been selling a rotary-wing UAV for the past 5 years. They have also demonstrated an automonous flight using a voice commanded flight control system.
Link to Yamaha's Industrial Rotary-Wing UAV: http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/sky-e/index.html
SoloTrek's MULE (Mobile Unmanned Lift Enabler) (Score:1)
MULE(TM) Mobile Unmanned Lift Enabler
A PRACTICAL VTOL PLATFORM CONCEPT FOR THE 21ST CENTURY
The MULE tactical UAV is a vertical take-off and landing JIT logistics platform meeting today's military mission-payload-delivery requirements. It is designed for ultra-high reliability, very low dB & IR signatures, and minimal field servicing, maintenance and overhaul. The MULE will efficiently, and autonomously, re-supply remote locations, retrieve downed-pilots, and/or perform surveillance and reconnaissance.
Preliminary Specifications and Predicted Performance: (Sea level; Standard day conditions)
MINI-MULE *** MAXI-MULE
Normal Gross Take Off Weight - 700 Lbs. *** 1500 Lbs
Fuel Capacity - 100 Lbs. (15 Gal.)*** 300 Lbs. (45 Gal.)
Mission Payload (net of fuel) - 200 Lbs. *** 500 Lbs.
Empty Weight - 400 Lbs. *** 700 Lbs.
Hover/Loiter Endurance - 2+ Hours *** 2.5+ Hours
Max Range - 130 Nautical Miles *** 350 Nautical Miles
Min/Max Speed - 0 to 115 Knots *** 0 to 160 Knots
Engine (Advanced Int. Combustion) - 120 HP *** 300 HP
Fuel Requirements - Heavy Fuel *** Heavy Fuel
Transport Crate Dimensions - 60" X 60" X 96" *** T.B.D.
This has been around for years! (Score:1)
This is also being doing at Carnegie Mellon (Score:3, Interesting)
MIT has come up with some really great things... (Score:1)
Ailerons? (Score:1)
Helicopters generally don't have ailerons. 'Rolls' would have been not only sufficient, but more accurate.
-- Nit Pick Nazi
It's not working! (Score:1)
aileron rolls (Score:1)
That would be great if helicopters had ailerons.
Some cost considerations (Score:2, Insightful)
1. This cost figure can not accurately represent the costs of redeveloping the SW and control systems for a military / highly-robust system. The SW development methodologies for an academic proof of concept and a military project differ substantially. Basically, instead of 1 grad student producing thousands of lines of code, you would have a large team of programmers, checkers, double checkers, certifiers, testers, and systems engineers developing the system. This adds substantially to the cost of development. Professional developers (not hackers), please comment.
2. AFAIK, the $40k cost did not include the cost of the inertial navigation system. These are very expensive, but neccesary to complement the GPS system used. I think, although I might have misforgotten, that the Draper Lab donated the one used in the test units.
patiwat@sloan.mit.edu
Shadow Conspiracy (Score:1)
Some Emory students did the very same thing (Score:1)
http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/sky-e/rmax.html
Ummm... (Score:1)
Small, agile, robotic helicopters could provide a new means of military reconnaissance or weapons delivery in mountainous, urban and other challenging terrain off-limits to larger aircraft and too dangerous for manned aircraft. They could fly at low altitude in tight spaces between skyscrapers or locate a terrorist's cave in the mountains, sending live images to an aircraft carrier or to bombers in flight.
Obviously, this could have been quite useful in the mountanous terrain where Al-Qaeda might have been hiding.