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The DeCSS Haiku

Posted by CmdrTaco on Sun Feb 25, 2001 01:27 PM
from the now-thats-a-doozy dept.
xueexueg writes: "Dr. David Touretzky has posted a new piece of DeCSS art here, as well as his response to a threatening letter from the MPAA. Both are triumphantly good, one an epic haiku with the most intelligent and beautiful commentary I've heard in months, the other a response to the MPAA lawyers who evidently told Touretzky that his entire home page is a 'circumvention device.'" Both are good reads. I realize that posting this sort of thing on Slashdot is simply preaching to the choir, but some part of me hopes that in the end we'll still have a freedom of speech, a freedom to reverse engineer, and a freedom to watch the media we purchase. Sure seems less likely these days.

Comment: 02/25 2:35 PM EST by J : My favorite source for CSSdescramble() is the DVDCCA's own DNS server.

Do dig ns dvdcca.org to verify that their DNS servers are (as of right now) mercury.hypersurf.com and west.mainstreet.net.

Then, to pull the gzip'd code straight off their servers, this will work on any vaguely sh-like shell:

for DVDs in Linux screw the MPAA and ; do dig $DVDs.z.zoy.org @mercury.hypersurf.com ; done | perl -ne 's/\.//g; print pack("H224",$1) if(/^x([^z]*)/)' | gunzip > myfile.c

This trick is number nine on zoy.org's 42 ways to get DeCSS. You're actually requesting data which resides on zoy.org's DNS server, but it's being delivered to you by the DVDCCA's DNS server.

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  • Re:SOB by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:50AM
  • Re:The CSS algorithm by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:17AM
  • Re:Shut 'em Down! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:32PM
  • READ THIS by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:55PM
  • Haiku, eh? by abischof (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:44AM
  • Any programmer should care. by Pedro Picasso (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:59AM
  • That's all it takes. by Pedro Picasso (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:40AM
  • The value of getting a PH.D by bobalu (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:56AM
  • QBASIC PORT OF DECSS RIGHT HERE by MoOsEb0y (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:48PM
  • Epic Poem by seppy (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:12AM
  • Re:heh... by Jonathan (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:30PM
  • Re:heh... by Jonathan (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:45PM
  • Re:Remember that other DeCSS? by armb (Score:1) Monday February 26 2001, @12:50AM
  • Beautiful? (Score:3)

    by Orp (6583) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:43AM (#404258) Homepage
    Reading that page makes
    my head hurt; haiku is more
    than five seven five
  • Re:I like this guy by Ian Schmidt (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:24AM
  • Re:heh... (Score:3)

    by m0nkyman (7101) on Sunday February 25 2001, @11:03AM (#404260) Homepage Journal

    However, our protests have to be intelligent, well thought out, and above all, non-threatening to the average citizen, which is who we're supposedly trying to get on our side. Tattooed rioters smashing windows and attacking cops to 'send out a message against corporatism' is simply counterproductive. Kudos to Dr. Touretzky.

    Why on earth do our protests have to be non-threatening to the average citizen!? I don't give a hairy rat's ass if the average citizen agrees with me. If we are doing something that is within our rights, even if it is unpopular, then it is still within our rights.

    [off topic rant] My allegiance lies a lot closer to the tattooed rioters than the 'average citizen'. Having been involved in various 'riots' over the last fifteen years, I have yet to see a single instance where the protesters spontaneously started attacking cops or property. In each instance, the police instigated the issue with heavy handed tactics. [end off topic rant]

    My main problem with the attitude you seem to have is that we all have to be moderate and well behaved to have an effect. Debates are always defined by the extremes. The radicals on the street are pulling the center of the debate towards their position, and that allows people like Touretzky to look like moderates. If the radicals weren't there being radical, then it would be a lot easier to silence people like him.

    Walk softly and carry a big stick

  • I've done something a little like this by Ford Prefect (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:37AM
  • Amazing reply :) by rkt (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:10AM
  • Remeniscent of Faranheit 451 by FreeUser (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:50PM
  • Re:Legal or Not... by arivanov (Score:2) Monday February 26 2001, @01:10AM
  • by Carl (12719) on Sunday February 25 2001, @11:01AM (#404265) Homepage
    You might want to read the following:

    What's Wrong with Copy Protection [toad.com]

    It is the answer of John Gilmore to a question that Ron Rivest asked: "If the customer is willing to buy extra, or special, hardware to allow him to view protected content, what is wrong with that?"

  • Re:heh... by Aphelion (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:07PM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by cronio (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:52AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by cronio (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:57PM
  • Re:I like this guy by grappler (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:51PM
  • Re:I like this guy by grappler (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:45PM
  • I like this guy (Score:4)

    by grappler (14976) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:51AM (#404271) Homepage
    Check out some of this guy's other stuff. He's got a section where he makes fun of scientologists (they've threatened him of course). They even came and picketed his office one day.
  • Re:Triumphant? by Todd Knarr (Score:2) Wednesday February 28 2001, @09:38AM
  • Re:Triumphant? (Score:3)

    by Todd Knarr (15451) on Sunday February 25 2001, @04:34PM (#404273) Homepage

    I don't know about triumphant. I think what he's doing is making them jump through the legal hoops they helped create. He's saying "The DMCA says you have to include this information in your notice, so provide the specified information for each and every single URL you want taken down, individually.". If they fail to comply and push it, you can then cite their own law back at them in court, claiming as a defense that they simply didn't notify you as specified in the very law they're trying to use against you. More importantly, it makes them spell out their reasons in writing, which makes them more vulnerable to having those reasons refuted since they can't keep rewriting their demands to suit the moment.

    It also lets you make them respond in your terms, as he does by bringing up the scholarly research and journal aspect of things. A judge might be influenced by a group trying to force scholars not to publish research when they weren't under NDAs or other agreements not to discuss it, for instance.

  • by Hesperus (16733) on Sunday February 25 2001, @11:16AM (#404274) Homepage
    Some of you may remeber a story from *last* February about one Mr. Bad, at pigdog.org who wrote an interesting little program for stripping cascading style sheets out of an html page.

    The program of course was named DeCSS, and was meant to lure the MPAA into filing false suites.

    For a while it looked like the MPAA was going to ignore this other DeCSS, but it looks like they've finally gone for the bait:




    ____________________________________
  • by shambler snack (17630) on Sunday February 25 2001, @09:32AM (#404275) Homepage
    The power of the press is very great, but not so great as the power of suppress.
    Lord Northcliffe

    And for those who believe in mirroring -

    One has to multiple thoughts to the point where there aren't enough policemen to control them.
    Stanislaw Lec
  • undercover cops by cpeterso (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:54PM
  • A DeCSS Virus. How many charges would that be? by ntsucks (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:24PM
  • Shut 'em Down! by karot (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:10AM
  • Re:Remember that other DeCSS? by mwa (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:57PM
  • by villoks (27306) on Sunday February 25 2001, @09:31AM (#404280) Homepage Journal
    As a way to protest MPAA's latest action against Dr. David Touretzky, I included the source code
    of Derek Fawcus's version of CSS-descrambler as an appendix of the my Master Thesis. (The title of my thesis is "Legal Protection for Computer Software" so there's really a relevance). And of course I cited Dr. David Touretzky's Gallery of CSS Descramblers few times. The printed version will be soon in the library of the faculty of law of the University of Helsinki, unfortunately only in Finnish..


    Anyway DeCSS should be fully legal in Europe as long as the new copyright directive isn't in force yet (Decompliation is "fair use" and can't be denied in the license).

    Ville Oksanen

    My DeCSS archive:

  • Re:heh... by remande (Score:2) Monday February 26 2001, @03:30AM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by Platinum Dragon (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:39AM
  • by Platinum Dragon (34829) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:32AM (#404283) Homepage Journal
    Download [24.42.105.140], mirror, maybe even use to watch movies on Linux and BSD [cjb.net].
  • MPAA: Motion Picture Association of America, the organization up in arms over the fact that someone implemented the CSS decryption algorithm without their permission.

    RIAA: Recording Industry Association of America, the organization up in arms over Napster, some bootleg and live traders, and a few million cheapskates:)

    Divx: A failed pay-per-view DVD format pushed by Circuit City and Thomson Electronics. Lasted just over a year before it was killed due to the overwhelming popularity of vanilla DVD.

    DivX ;-): MPEG-4-based movie codec, supposedly developed from a hacked Microsoft MPEG-4 implementation; the video equivalent to MP3.

    Copyright law: body of law dealing with creators' control over works they've created, and how such works may be distributed.

    Patent law: body of law dealing with exclusive rights to inventions.

    Feel free to correct me on any of these if I've also blown it.
  • The CSS algorithm (Score:5)

    by Platinum Dragon (34829) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:55AM (#404285) Homepage Journal
    Just so I'm clear for future discussions on this subject...

    What does the DVD CCA claim protection for the CSS algorithm under? Is it copyrighted, patented, or considered a trade secret? Do they even claim any protection? They try to force player manufacturers to pay a license fee to use the algorithm in their hardware or software. I notice that the copyright infringement charges laid against Jon Johansen didn't stick, because he apparently didn't violate anyone's copyright. I don't recall anyone ever digging out a patent number for the algorithm. That leaves trade secret, and unless the algorithm was leaked by someone under NDA, the implementation MoRE and/or Derek Fawcus developed is nice and legal. As the story goes, some keys were found in the open in Xing's DVD software player, from which the entire algorithm was determined...so unless that's a complete fabrication, and someone under NDA did something they shouldn't have, I really don't see where the CCA is coming from.

    Oh, that DMCA thingy, section 1201(a)(1)...yeah. "Circumvention of an access control." Not "copy control", because you can still copy DVDs even with CSS enabled. Interoperability apparently isn't a defense. I thought there was a provision for reverse-engineering something to let a piece of media be used on platforms the vendor doesn't support, but I recall Judge Kaplan throwing out that defense during the original case against 2600 and the others.

    Hrm...I started with a question, I came up with half an answer...does anyone know the full answer? Is section 1201(a)(1) the only club the CCA can use against DeCSS holders and users?
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by gimpboy (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:59AM
  • RMSGROG by gimpboy (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:15PM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by gimpboy (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:13PM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by gimpboy (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:07AM
  • For the last time... by tbo (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:49PM
  • Re:For the last time... (Copying DVDs) by tbo (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:44PM
  • Re:For the last time... by mpe (Score:2) Monday February 26 2001, @01:54AM
  • Re:For the last time... by mpe (Score:2) Monday February 26 2001, @01:58AM
  • Re:For the last time... (Copying DVDs) by mpe (Score:2) Monday February 26 2001, @02:00AM
  • Re:the 411 on "all your base are belong to us" by mpe (Score:2) Monday February 26 2001, @02:04AM
  • If I... by macdaddy (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:33PM
  • >> told Touretzky that his entire home page is a 'circumvention device.

    Wouldn't, then, someone who memorized the entire DeCSS source be a circumvention device in themselves? Touretzky has other non-DeCSS stuff on his site, much like anyone who memorizes the code has non-DeCSS stuff in their heads.

    This scares me. MPAA lobotomies to get rid of the memorized code---oh wait, that's what Battlefield Earth was for. And who, of all people, would be interested in a crappy sci-fi movie? The same people who would memorize the DeCSS source! It's all making sense, now! ;-)

    ----
  • Re:DivX myth by Juln (Score:1) Monday February 26 2001, @05:31AM
  • Re:Haiku, eh? by johnathan (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:06PM
  • Re:Very very cool by civilizedINTENSITY (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:47AM
  • Re: All Haikus Go Under Here. by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:02AM
  • Re:heh... by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:13AM
  • Re:History holds the answer by TheTomcat (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:52AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by ErikZ (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:40AM
  • Re:Haiku, eh? by bnenning (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:26AM
  • Window-smashers perform a valuable service by GooseKirk (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:56PM
  • by sconeu (64226) on Sunday February 25 2001, @12:08PM (#404307) Homepage Journal
    Here is a letter that I sent to my congressman - Brad Sherman (D - Sherman Oaks). I doubt that anything will happen from it, but at least I said something...

    -- cut here --

    Dear Congressman Sherman,

    I had the pleasure of meeting you on the evening of 2/23/01, at Temple Judea. I was the man with the two young daughters who was sitting behind you.

    If you may recall, I took the opportunity to discuss the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) and patent reform with you. I realize that time was short, and I was perhaps less than fully comprehensible, for which I apologize.

    I am writing to express my dismay at the Department of Justice filing a brief in Universal City Studios, et al. vs. Eric Corley aka 2600 (See the link http://cryptome.org/mpaa-v-2600-usa.htm). This is a free speech matter wherein the government should be filing on behalf of the defendants, not the plaintiffs.

    Essentially, Mr. Corley published a program called "DeCSS" on his website. The Motion Picture Association of America successfully sued under the DMCA to have it removed as a "Circumvention of Access Control". However, the MPAA often refers to the Content Scrambling System (CSS) on DVD movies as "copy protection", and an attempt to protect their copyright on movies.

    I have no objection to copyright holders protecting their interests -- that's another debate for another time -- but in this situation, they are using a sledgehammer to swat a fly, and missing the mark (if you will excuse the confused metaphor).

    Essentially, what CSS does is scramble the digital data on the DVD so that it cannot be read without descrambling it. The MPAA claims that this is to prevent copying. However, a DVD is nothing but a stream of ones and zeros, with the only meaning to those ones and zeroes that which we give it by interpretation.

    Consider a book written in Swedish. I do not read Swedish, and cannot use the book without a Swedish-English dictionary. However, I can copy the book either mechanically or by hand without interpreting it. Similarly, I can copy a DVD without interpreting those ones and zeroes that make up the data on the disk.

    DeCSS is a program that descrambles the CSS coded video stream on the disk. In the analogy given above, it functions as a Swedish-English dictionary. It allows me *FAIR USE* of the DVD which I have purchased, and under the doctrine of first sale, the MPAA has absolutely no rights to tell me what I may or may not do with said DVD.

    Now back to the point. I am distressed and dismayed by the intervention of the DOJ in this case, as I believe that the lower court ruling was incorrect, and the attempted restraint on free speech is unconstitutional.

    I ask you, as a voting constituent, to ask the Administration to remove itself from these proceedings.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

  • Re:Haiku, eh? by MikeBabcock (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:11PM
  • Facilitating Devices vs. Illegal Actions by VFVTHUNTER (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:08AM
  • Re:I like this guy by taniwha (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:51AM
  • Triumphant? by dimator (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:12PM
  • Re:deCSS by plague3106 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:34AM
  • Re:fuck off with your open source pieties by plague3106 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @07:24PM
  • Re:deCSS by plague3106 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @07:26PM
  • Re:The CSS algorithm by gbnewby (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @05:45PM
  • by billstewart (78916) on Sunday February 25 2001, @01:02PM (#404316) Journal
    Haiku is more than just three lines with 5,7,5 syllables - classically there's supposed to be some nature or seasonal allusions. Also, while the first stanza of a longer haiku was 5,7,5, it was common for people to build shared compositions, adding sets of 7,5 after the initial 5-7-5 following the theme of the original

    D E C S S
    no decrypting in winter
    or we'll sue your ass
    the region code from Finland
    says you can't watch it
    cherry blossoms blooming in spring
    don't watch Anime
    a tree in a golden forest
    no Chinese movies
    Disney movies in summer
    watch the commercials


    On the other hand, the poem had great use of European poetic forms - invoking the muse on occasion, analogies to Paradise Lost, and it was altogether good stuff.

  • by ArtDent (83554) on Sunday February 25 2001, @09:35AM (#404317)

    Oh, that DMCA thingy, section 1201(a)(1)...yeah. "Circumvention of an access control." Not "copy control", because you can still copy DVDs even with CSS enabled. Interoperability apparently isn't a defense. I thought there was a provision for reverse-engineering something to let a piece of media be used on platforms the vendor doesn't support, but I recall Judge Kaplan throwing out that defense during the original case against 2600 and the others.

    Actually, you came up with the whole answer. Three years ago DeCSS would have been perfectly legal. It just took a little lobbying (read, "money") from the MPAA to make it a crime to access information that you have purchased.

    The exemption that you mention allows...

    ...a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.

    In other words, it allows for circumvention for the purposes of enabling interoperability between two programs, but Judge Kaplan decided that it does not apply to interoperability between one program and one piece of recorded media.

    Overly narrow exceptions, anyone? You betcha!

  • sound slike a joke by FattMattP (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:55AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by Seehund (Score:1) Monday February 26 2001, @06:23AM
  • Re:heh... by Fnkmaster (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:37PM
  • contact info --Don't spam now ;) by GrEp (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:17AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by naasking (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:14AM
  • Re:Don't get me wrong, I love this stuff, BUT... by Legion303 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:55PM
  • Re:Don't get me wrong, I love this stuff, BUT... by Legion303 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:58PM
  • Police 'defect'. by crucini (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:02PM
  • Re:Don't get me wrong, I love this stuff, BUT... by crucini (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:28PM
  • DON'T email Mr.Nigam by crucini (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:43PM
  • The liberal argument of liberty without restraint by browser_war_pow (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:35AM
  • Re:heh... by nido (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @06:02PM
  • Start your own port project today! by Tom7 (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:59AM
  • I think I'll be putting that on my site... by netrat (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @05:34PM
  • by avij (105924) on Sunday February 25 2001, @11:07AM (#404332) Homepage
    Have you considered releasing your master's thesis at e-thesis [helsinki.fi], an electronic collection of doctoral dissertations and master's and licenciate's theses from the University of Helsinki?

    Of course they're not going to publish anything you throw at them, check out their rules [helsinki.fi] (in Finnish) before you proceed.

  • Re:Remember that other DeCSS? by the-empty-string (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:15PM
  • Re:The CSS algorithm by Trepalium (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:57PM
  • Nothing much to say by swordgeek (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:29PM
  • Yet More historical quotes by gatekeeper-eu (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @06:33PM
  • Haiku for windows users by ShadowDrgn (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @06:56PM
  • descramble.mp3 guitar tab -- fair use?? by wunderhorn1 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:51PM
  • ready for the big question? by Lord Omlette (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @05:29PM
  • Re:Beautiful? by Gorobei (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:13AM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by Jagasian (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:43AM
  • who cares? by ArchieBunker (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:36AM
  • get a tattoo by ArchieBunker (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:49AM
  • Re:Linking... by gnarly (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:50AM
  • Re:how about... by gnarly (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @05:49PM
  • Haiku Summary by enneff (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @06:20PM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by Irritant (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:44PM
  • Re:Awesome. by Mr. Adequate (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:15AM
  • Awesome. (Score:3)

    by Mr. Adequate (138862) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:48AM (#404349) Homepage

    But still not bulletproof: A proper haiku must incorporate some kind of seasonal reference.

    (Of course it would be ludicrous for Valenti to try and have fair use protection thrown out for this reason. But no more ludicrous than calling DeCSS a piracy tool in the first place.)

  • uhhhh by nomadic (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:42PM
  • Re: All Haikus Go Under Here. by jcapell (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:18AM
  • Mail to Hemanshu Nigam by Eloquence (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:37AM
  • READ THE LINKS by startled (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:15AM
  • Linking... by danme (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:18AM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by Frizzle Fry (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:27AM
  • Re:Remember that other DeCSS? by Frizzle Fry (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @05:22PM
  • That new compiler... by ave19 (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:22PM
  • Re:Touche by Zero__Kelvin (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:48PM
  • Re:MPAA confesses perjury !!!! by Zero__Kelvin (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:54PM
  • Re:MPAA confesses perjury !!!! by Zero__Kelvin (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:58PM
  • Re:and on their website too... by Zero__Kelvin (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:01PM
  • Re:MPAA confesses perjury !!!! by Zero__Kelvin (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:47PM
  • by Zero__Kelvin (151819) on Sunday February 25 2001, @09:44AM (#404363) Homepage

    In the email sent to CMU the MPAA writes:

    DeCSS is a software utility that decrypts or unscrambles the contents of DVDs (consisting of copyrighted motion pictures) or otherwise circumvents the protection afforded by the Contents Scramble System (CSS) and permits the copying of the DVD contents and/or any portion thereof.

    Then the MPAA goes on to say:

    Also pursuant to DMCA, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the law of California and under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.

    Since the first identified paragraph is inaccurate, they openly admit to perjury!!

    A) DeCSS is NOT a software utility, it is an algorithm
    B) DVD copying does NOT require the unscrambling of the data

  • Re:Start your own port project today! by gordon_schumway (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:06AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by Ig0r (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:50AM
  • Re:MPAA confesses perjury !!!! by Ig0r (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:45AM
  • Re:Beautiful (Score:3)

    by Ig0r (154739) on Sunday February 25 2001, @10:51AM (#404367)
    You're not a citizen, you're a consumer.
    Remember that.

    --
  • Re:SOB by aed (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:39AM
  • Re:Very very cool by AndyChrist (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:47PM
  • Re:DeCSS and CD burners do the same thing. Right? by AndyChrist (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @05:15PM
  • Re:I just wanted to point out... by Dyolf Knip (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:40PM
  • by OOG_THE_CAVEMAN (165540) on Sunday February 25 2001, @11:51AM (#404372)
    [slashdot.org]OOG ANGRY PEOPLE NOT CREDIT OOG WITH DISCOVERY OF FIRE!!! OOG SPEND LOT OF TIME WORKING ON WAY TO START FIRE SO OOG COULD SMOKE FAT BAG OF CAVE WEED!!! [slashdot.org] OOG PISSED THAT STUPID GROG STEAL OOG IDEA AND TAKE CREDIT FOR OOG GENIUS!!! [slashdot.org] OOG STILL HOLD PATENT ON FIRE THOUGH, SO OOG NOT WANT SOMEONE REVERSE ENGINEERING OOG FIRE DISCOVERY!!!
  • Re:Beautiful? by hawkear (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:11AM
  • Re:Awesome. by hawkear (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:16AM
  • Re:For the last time... (Copying DVDs) by lacoste (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:15PM
  • What was the final ruling? by wulffi (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:42AM
  • I just wanted to point out... by IamLarryboy (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:41AM
  • Re:I just wanted to point out... by IamLarryboy (Score:1) Monday February 26 2001, @02:15PM
  • Re:For the last time... by nagora (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:10PM
  • Re:The value of getting a PH.D by White Shadow (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:11AM
  • Re:Start your own port project today! by bzbb (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:10PM
  • by TrinSF (183901) on Sunday February 25 2001, @10:26AM (#404382)
    What I find particularly elegant about the work is how well informed it is by classical models. It's not just that it's 5-7-5 "verses", but that the whole thing is built around the Greek epic poem model. It's written to evoke Homer and Hesiod, complete with initial invocation of a muse and subsequent references to that muse. It includes traditional asides, stops frequently to praise its heroes, and closes with a prayer (of sorts).
    It's also similar in more than just form. Works like Hesiod's Theogony [tufts.edu] are not just spoken poetic entertainment: they delineate the world view of their culture. In the same way, the DeCSS epic instructs the "listener" in the world view and cultural values of those opposing DeCSS.

    It's a lovely thing to wake up to this morning.
  • Very very cool by AintTooProudToBeg (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:16AM
  • Re:Quomodo vales eques !! by elefantstn (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:44AM
  • My little horde by OverCode@work (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:12AM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by cronik (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:26PM
  • Re:I like this guy by i0lanthe (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @04:31PM
  • All Haikus Go Under Here. by Ando[evilmedic] (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:57AM
  • I hate to point this out, but... by arnald (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:51AM
  • Re:I hate to point this out, but... by arnald (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:13AM
  • Spam? by the_illuminatus (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:06AM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by 75bhp (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:47AM
  • Re:heh... by mad_clown (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:37PM
  • Re:heh... by mad_clown (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:39PM
  • heh... (Score:5)

    by mad_clown (207335) <vartman@uoregon.edu> on Sunday February 25 2001, @09:06AM (#404395)
    It's nice to see someone with some stones standing up to this kind of corporate strongarming.

    Now... I live in Eugene, OR, which is one of the hotbeds of 'anti-corporatist anarchism' and such... and though I'd venture to say that a very, very large percentage of the people involved with such groups are just there to wreak havoc, the small portion that does actually beleive in their goals are, in my opinion, going about it the wrong way. Dr. David Touretzky is going about it the right way. Instead of rioting and breaking windows and throwing bricks at cops to make his point, he's going about it in a fashion that not only makes him look clever, but makes the MPA look absolutely stupid. We have to stand up for our rights, or else, eventually, someone is going to ride roughshod over us all, and then it's all over (read Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago for a more detailed description of what happens when people don't voice a word of protest when they're being opressed). However, our protests have to be intelligent, well thought out, and above all, non-threatening to the average citizen, which is who we're supposedly trying to get on our side. Tattooed rioters smashing windows and attacking cops to 'send out a message against corporatism' is simply counterproductive. Kudos to Dr. Touretzky.

  • E-Mail sent to MPAA after reading this... by ggravier (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:09PM
  • Re:E-Mail sent to MPAA after reading this... by ggravier (Score:1) Sunday March 04 2001, @11:56PM
  • Re:People that memorize --- by agentZ (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:58AM
  • by agentZ (210674) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:36AM (#404399)
    You know its bad when the people with all the money are the ones making and influencing the rules.

    Ah yes. Because today the rich are in charge, as opposed to all of the previous great eras when all of the people of the world controlled everyth-- Hey! Wait a minute! [The rest of this sarcasm is left as an exercise to the trol^H^H^H^H reader.]

  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by torinth (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:10PM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by MCZapf (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:27AM
  • Don't get me wrong, I love this stuff, BUT... by mike260 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:40PM
  • SOB (Score:5)

    by unformed (225214) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:39AM (#404403)
    /. just linked to decss...dammit, now it's gonna get shut down
  • Re:Facilitating Devices vs. Illegal Actions by mother_superius (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:21AM
  • We the people.... by WickedClean (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:30AM
  • Re:Remember that other DeCSS? by j.bannister (Score:1) Tuesday February 27 2001, @02:25AM
  • Re:heh... by Private Essayist (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:08PM
  • DeCSS VB Script Virus!! by Fragmented_Datagram (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @02:01PM
  • and on their website too... by zencode (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:18PM
  • DeCSS and CD burners do the same thing. Right? by liverdye (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:08AM
  • by SirFlakey (237855) on Sunday February 25 2001, @12:27PM (#404411) Homepage
    ..Belong To Us!.

    I'd like to see the DeCSS code scrolling on one of those stock tickers =). Or perhaps written into hillsides by placing stones or something (DeCSS visible from the ISS =) ?)


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  • Re:Start your own port project today! by swagr (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:15AM
  • how about... (Score:4)

    by swagr (244747) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:51AM (#404413) Homepage
    Re: various ways to distribute the code.

    How about a "compression algorithm" who's output when "decompressing" the MPAA's threat letter is DeCSS code? That way perhaps the MPAA would have to threaten themselves.
  • What's not to like? by The Tyro (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:27AM
  • Which region? by KrunZ (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:40PM
  • Meta Crime (Score:3)

    by KrunZ (247479) on Sunday February 25 2001, @10:25AM (#404416)
    Can I order the source on DVD?
  • Re:Meta Crime by baptiste (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:28PM
  • Re:Meta Crime by baptiste (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @12:30PM
  • Re:All Haikus Go Under Here. by TDScott (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:02AM
  • Re:This really is one of those "All Your Base Are. by Andux (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:18PM
  • Re:Offtopic: DeCSS-related words people get confus by suwain_2 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:03AM
  • Re:who cares? by suwain_2 (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @01:02PM
  • Legal or Not... (Score:4)

    by suwain_2 (260792) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:35AM (#404423) Journal
    ...I've snagged a copy. Maybe I'll save it to multiple, off-site computers, just to be safe...

    I have no interest in getting DeCSS to work, at least not right now. (One major reason is that I don't have a DVD drive...) But the fact that the RIAA is trying to keep me from seeing it -- a violation of the first amendment, IMHO -- inspired - no, forced - me to download it.

    BTW, if you're the RIAA... I'm just kidding. I'd never do anything that didn't please you.
    _________________________________________________

  • Re:and on their website too... by Pogue Mahone (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @11:26PM
  • Slashdot readers' dictionary by Michael McDermott (Score:2) Sunday February 25 2001, @08:56AM
  • the 411 on "all your base are belong to us" by rajinder (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @06:12PM
  • Don't forget IBM by dracos42 (Score:1) Monday February 26 2001, @09:12AM
  • Re:Triumphant? by vidarh (Score:1) Monday February 26 2001, @12:29AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by Marnhinn (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:15AM
  • Good use for SPAM... by Nickoty (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:51AM
  • Art by venusroseanddove (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:25AM
  • My DeCSS haikus by BIGJIMSLATE (Score:1) Thursday March 01 2001, @10:35AM
  • Re:Reverse engineering fire by slcdb (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:28AM
  • Re:Freedom of speech my ass by NewCokeBear (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:38AM
  • Re:More information is at by NewCokeBear (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:39AM
  • by sagacious_gnostic (319793) on Sunday February 25 2001, @08:44AM (#404436)
    I just realised what is wrong with the IT industry. We have a new technology and people seem to think that this creates new 'laws'. New fangled keywords such as 'reverse engineering' which (as far as i see) translates to 'let's see how this works' suddenly become issues. Where would we be now if Mr Grog Caveman said 'It's against the law to reverse engineer my heat generating device (fire(tm))?
  • My Favourite Haiku by iamnotagrue (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @09:25AM
  • Re:You know the drill now folks... More mirrors! by GalBiDo (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @10:52AM
  • email Mr.Nigam by Helium Defractor (Score:1) Sunday February 25 2001, @03:11PM
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