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4" Penguins in Safety Sweaters Need Help

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thu Jan 06, 2000 12:22 PM
from the that-is-so-cute dept.
chrisd writes "We all give lip service to how much we like penguins and such, well a bunch of the "little" penguins (4 inch tall little guys) have been spooged by an oil tanker in southern australia. They need cash to help them take care of the little fellas. They put them in little sweaters and such to keep them from preening the oil off thier wings into thier stomaches, which causes them to die. A picture of them in thier protective gear can be found there or at a my mirror."
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  • Now's your chance to do some good with those zillions of dollars you made from the RedHat and VA Linux IPO's. Let's make some donations.

    (I say "Let's", even though I didn't get in on the IPO. )
  • Good cause by JamesSharman (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:28AM
  • New Logo by Gandalf_007 (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:33AM
  • poor guys (Score:4)

    by dAzED1 (33635) on Thursday January 06 2000, @07:37AM (#1397204) Homepage
    Those little guys sure were cute...

    It took a bit of reading to find anywhere to send money to, but I finally found this:

    Donations can be sent to: Phillip Island Penguin Parade, ATT: Penguin Hospital Support Fund P.O. Box 97 Cowes Phillip Island. Victoria. 3922. AUSTRALIA.

    The didn't have anyway that I found, in the amount of time I had, to give money online or anything. Darn it those things are cute. Easy to want to help.

  • Re:Ever try to swim in a sweater? by GeeBee (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:38AM
  • by LizardKing (5245) on Thursday January 06 2000, @07:39AM (#1397207) Homepage
    Like much in our world, the merchant shipping industry is a haven for jobsworths, tightwads and schemers. Rather than have tanks cleaned properly in port (at a cost) unscrupulous shipowners encourage crews to simply flush them at sea. Stand on any beach near a shipping lane, and you can guarantee there'll be tar-like deposits everywhere from this heinous practise.

    There's little governments can do even if they have a fair idea which ships or copmanies are to blame. Do it in international waters, and no-one can get you. And if you get caught ... Well, almost every large merchant vessel flies under a flag of convenience. This enables the captain or owners to say ``well, sue me in Liberia''.

    A friend who works as a deck oficcer commented to me once that another problem is hopeless crews. OFficers tend to be trained and conscientius(sp?),
    but crews often don't speak the same language as the officers and have no training. In the British merchant navy, many crews are Philipino simply because the owners can get away with paying them shit wages.

    Anyways, enough of the ranting. I just hope no more of these little penguins succumb to the oil.

    Chris Wareham
  • Stuff like this makes us fell in tears... by redhog (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:39AM
  • *ahem* by Pendulum (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:40AM
  • Tux is in trouble!... but seriously... by mathboy (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:41AM
  • Alternative to sweaters by Megane (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:42AM
  • by _iodine_ (133163) on Thursday January 06 2000, @07:43AM (#1397212)
    A company was recently hired to produce thousands of 4 inch tall sweaters specially designed to fit penguins. Sweaters, Inc. was listed as having better than expected earnings for the 4th quarter. The President of the U.S. has been quoted as saying, "The influx of new jobs that have been created because of the penguin crisis has been a boon to the international community."
  • "tar-like deposits" by Megane (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:45AM
  • by Apuleius (6901) on Thursday January 06 2000, @07:45AM (#1397214) Journal
    Phillip Island's penguin colony is a great place to visit (I was there many years ago). The penguins all come from the sea to feed their chicks at roughly the same time in the evening. You can watch this from bleachers at the beach.

    Whoever dumped the slick off Phillip Island should be fed to sharks.
  • Not everywhere. Re:"tar-like deposits" by Apuleius (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:46AM
  • I'm donating (Score:3)

    by Jonas Öberg (19456) <jonas@gnu.org> on Thursday January 06 2000, @07:49AM (#1397216) Homepage
    I'm donating $100 to them. Apparently, the address to send checks to is


    Phillip Island Penguin Parade

    att: Penguin Hospital Support Fund

    P.O. Box 97

    Cowes

    Phillip Island. Victoria. 3922. AUSTRALIA.


    But it would also be interesting to make sure that this
    doesn't continue to happen -- for any animals! What
    organisations exist that help prevent that these polluters
    get away?

  • Re:New Logo by Cy Guy (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:50AM
  • Re:Surf around the site some more. by handorf (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:50AM
  • by Kintanon (65528) on Thursday January 06 2000, @07:51AM (#1397219) Homepage Journal
    So what is being done to punish the oil company? Which company is responsible, are they investigating the cause? Who is being held accountable for this? Someone needs to get their ass handed to them on a platter for dumping a bunch of oil in our ocean!

    Kintanon
  • i would love by jrs (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:58AM
  • Clean them off by Andy (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:59AM
  • Way to go Slashdot by Cybergrrrrrl (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:01AM
  • The little penguins are very cool by rudedog (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:02AM
  • Consequences under International Law by Col. Panic (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:02AM
  • Can't ThinkGeek set up a SKU to take CC donations? by Cy Guy (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:03AM
  • Re:Clean them off by Jonas Öberg (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:03AM
  • Re:poor guys (Score:3)

    by jbrw (520) on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:06AM (#1397227) Homepage
    Before sending money off to these guys, remember that most banks have nasty charges for converting cheques from one currency to another. From memory, the standard charge in Australia to convert currency is AUS$20, so either include enough money to cover the cost, or get your bank to write a cheque in Australian dollars. Maybe get together with some friends/your local LUG and pool your money to save on bank fees.

    There is the chance that since these guys are a worthy cause, their local bank might waive the fees, but I wouldn't count on it.

    ...j

    (US readers: s/cheques/checks/g - make sense now? <g>)
  • Re:Clean them off (Score:3)

    by lee (17524) <lee@NoSPAm.pyrzqxgl.org> on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:10AM (#1397229) Homepage
    Why would they not just clean them off and let them go? It would kill them. Why clean the birds and then let them die?????

    According to the story they are cleaned with solvents and then kept in a penguin hospital in the little sweaters until they test waterproof and then they are released. The cleaning strips away their natural oils and they would freeze if they were released quickly. The sweaters prevent the penguin from trying to clean themselves and thus getting poisoned. From the sounds of it, they also keep them warm.

  • Sending U.S. Funds (Score:3)

    by sharv (71041) on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:10AM (#1397230) Homepage
    FYI -

    According to a colleague of mine who lived for a time in Oz, it is possible to send U.S.-drawn checks to Australia. The recipient, however, will have to pony up the exchange rate difference and possibly pay a fee to their bank to take the deposit.

    Note that large banks (Citibank, Harris, etc.) usually will sell you a money order drawn in foreign currency, if you want to save the Penguin People from the evil bank fee collectors.

    Really big banks can probably even sell you authentic Australian currency, but we cannot recommend sending that by mail.


    -Sharv
  • by jd (1658) <[imipak] [at] [yahoo.com]> on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:11AM (#1397231) Homepage Journal
    I've never liked the term "colonies" for penguins. It's not like they're answerable to some dominion elsewhere. Maybe the collective term should be a "cluster", and their land habitation a "Beowulf".

    Orwell, I tried my best! :)

  • Re:poor guys by Senior Frac (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:11AM
  • Re:Alternative to sweaters by The Toad (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:19AM
  • Might I suggest? (Score:5)

    by Nicholas Vining (104178) on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:22AM (#1397235)
    Why don't we nominate the penguins for the "Most deserving to win $2000.00" beanie thing? That'd certainly help them out, and they'd probably put it to very good use. Even if the awards are distributed after the crisis is over, the association which is taking care of the penguins will be in the middle of a major cash crunch and I'm sure that they could use it.
  • Re:Discharging tanks ... flags of convenience by Bad Mojo (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:26AM
  • Little Penguins aren't _that_ little by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:27AM
  • Re:let's see if linux fools... by evilphish (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:27AM
  • $$ /. effect? (off-topic) by jabber (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:28AM
  • No Offense by mochaone (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:30AM
  • Punish Them? (Score:3)

    by **SkipKent** (4128) on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:34AM (#1397241)
    They should be thanked, for bringing about the greatest fashion breakthrough in Penguin history.

  • Maybe hopeless (YMMV) by dbrower (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:42AM
  • We need online credit card donations by Pyramid (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:46AM
  • Penguins are cute, but people need help too by RuntimeError (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:51AM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2000, @08:53AM (#1397250)
    There are a lot of penguin sub-species or whatever out there, but this is the specific one that bit Linus a long time ago, leading to Linux using penguins as the mascot.

    One source that confirms this [cyberwalker.net]

  • Minimal to none. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:05AM
  • Get Serious. by Chip Stillmore (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:07AM
  • Re:Yes! This why there is such a category! by Kurt Gray (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:17AM
  • Better picture link by theguru (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:27AM
  • Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Cute! by TrevorB (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:35AM
  • Why we should help animals.... by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:42AM
  • Cute and cuddly is SO important!!!! by teleny (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:46AM
  • advice on overseas currency? by small_dick (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:47AM
  • Re:Another Startlingly Irrelevant Story by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:49AM
  • flags of convenience by passion (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @09:52AM
  • Re:Penguins are cute, but people need help too by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:03AM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Chip Stillmore (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:05AM
  • by Kintanon (65528) on Thursday January 06 2000, @10:08AM (#1397266) Homepage Journal
    However, I have to remind you that there are thousands of poor, homeless, destitute people around the world, dying in streets, suffering in refugee camps, and there are hundreds and thousands (no, that's not a gross over estimation ) of children orphaned by wars and natural disasters.



    Each of those human beings is capable of making a choice as to how they live and what resources are available to them. The parents of the starving children chose to continue fucking like rabbits in order to spawn off a whole new generation of starving children. People in refugee camps are there by choice in one way or another, they can pick up and walk somewhere else. Yes, it's hard, no I doubt I'd be able to do it, but it can be done and they have that choice. The penguins have no such option.
    I for one have no sympathy for 90% of all poor/homeless/destitute people as I have seen people try to help over and over and over again and the person always ends up back in the gutter. Maybe the homeless in other countries aren't the laziest 3% of the population, but in the US the homeless aren't usually worth helping. Yes I'm a jackass, yes I'm a bastard, but I've tried helping these people and it doesn't work. At least the penguins don't smell like Wild Turkey when they stumble up to me.
    All of those orphaned children have relatives somewhere, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, that should be taking care of them. Yes it's too bad they lost their parents, but there should be people there to help them already, my contribution should not be needed.

    Mark this as flamebait and a troll if you really want to, but it's the way I feel about sanctimonious bastards that bitch and moan about the plight of the homeless.

    Kintanon
  • Prince Philip Island by Ravenfeather (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:15AM
  • A possible PRODUCT... by Ravenfeather (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:22AM
  • Re:Ever try to swim in a sweater? by robert dobbs (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:28AM
  • by TheDullBlade (28998) on Thursday January 06 2000, @10:28AM (#1397271)
    Let's face it, if we coordinated the worlds resources so there weren't thousands of children dying every day, in a couple of decades we'd reach the point that there were thousands of children dying every day again. And the world would be a lot more crowded.

    Nobody likes pain, misery, and death, but they are always going to be there. You can shift them around to someone else, or save them up for the next generation, but you can never really reduce them. Everyone must die, and most will go kicking and screaming.

    You might say that birth control is the answer, but it will only ever be a temporary solution. There will always be those who don't comply, and their exponential population growth will eventually displace the "responsible citizens." Natural selection favors the breeders. If they are kept in check by force, that is just more of the same misery and death.

    You might say that space travel is the answer, but assuming that any human can travel for free at _any_ constant speed, exponential population growth will overtake the cubic growth of the volume humans have reached. Even if humanity achieves methods of instantaneous travel, few believe in an infinite universe; it will get filled up. Something has to keep it in check, and that something will always be death; given that people will almost always accept pain to avoid death, and very few humans have the cold style of mercy (if it is worthy of that name) that would kill people just because they would starve eventually, that means misery.

    I help my family, I help my friends, I obey agreements I have made for mutual benefit, but I do not give charity, nor do I agonize over how the money I spend on a snack could have fed some distant family for days (as I used to when my morality was based on the value of survival and happiness of conscious minds). Nor do I care when I hear that some distant people are killing each other, except so far as it may destabilize the world and possibly cause nuclear war.

    You may consider this an evil morality, but pure altruism through charity is ultimately a lie, if you look at enough of the world and over a long enough period of time. There are many "positive sum games" out there to encourage cooperation (indeed, expansion into the universe is a worthy accomplishment that would be impossible if we all truly lived "every man for himself"), but remember that ultimately we are all competing for resources. If not in this generation, or the next, then five or fifty down the road.

    The standard of living can be raised across the board only by improvement/preservation of the environment. Beauty is a consolation to the hopeless. Nothing is more universally beautiful than nature.

    Saving the penguins preserves a beautiful part of the world that is no threat to anyone. As population pressures grow there may be no room for the planet's other inhabitants, but we should preserve what we can. I would rather live in a dangerous, beautiful, interesting world than a safe, boring, comfortable one. I would rather be born into a world of misery and have any slim chance to struggle for life than not be born at all.
  • I am tremendously sorry for all those animals by haggar (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:31AM
  • Re:And in other news... by robert dobbs (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:35AM
  • Re:Discharging tanks ... flags of convenience by Jburkholder (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:39AM
  • Re:Way to go Slashdot by Ravenfeather (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:43AM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Kintanon (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:46AM
  • Come on, just one thing at a time please! by OrangeTide (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:50AM
  • Wire transfer! by BlueUnderwear (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:52AM
  • What the hell? by J. FoxGlov (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:52AM
  • We can get the Bas*ards who did this ! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @10:55AM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Chip Stillmore (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:00AM
  • Re:i would love by OrangeTide (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:06AM
  • Re:You contemptible filth. by Maurice (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:15AM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Kintanon (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:19AM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Chip Stillmore (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:31AM
  • Re:let's see if linux fools... by SeanNi (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:34AM
  • Re:You contemptible filth. by Travoltus (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:39AM
  • One thing better than sending money or knitting... by Nehemiah S. (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:55AM
  • American materialism had nothing to do with it by erice (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @12:10PM
  • Try 14" by ozbird (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @12:11PM
  • That's what you get for biting Mr Torvalds by Anarchofascist (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @12:16PM
  • Re:Perfect for those IPO millionaires by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @12:24PM
  • Re:American materialism had nothing to do with it by jnew (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @12:28PM
  • Unfortunately .... by deek (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @01:02PM
  • Re:Heh heh. by Travoltus (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @01:10PM
  • by Ravenfeather (21614) on Thursday January 06 2000, @01:11PM (#1397314)

    Well, once again it looks like we've been able, or will be able, to make a difference! From the penguins' web site [penguins.org.au]:

    PINP Release (Park Ranger) Fri 9:28am

    This response is really fantastic - we are doing up a form page for those wanting to help out. And all the rangers here are *genuinely* moved at this overwhelming show of support. Wish we could show you the Penguin Hospital which is currently crowded by so many Little Penguins, and we will try and get some more pics online in our News Release service. And please keep the notes/emails coming in - this week has been very tiring and stressful. The Island and the Penguins (plus koalas and seals) are more than a job to everyone here. Its hard to explain, but these "wild animals" are very much a part of the life of our Island Community. I hope one day the Linux folk and others will join us for a celbration down here!

    All monies raised will be going directly to improving the Little Penguin Hospital facilities in the here and now. Everything IS helping - and your words of encouragement are as meaningful to us as the donations being received. Thankyou! PS Could someone please post this thankyou somewhere ALL the Linux folk etc. can read it? Ta muchly!

    and...

    Amazing to see the replies coming in from the Linux community - what can we say? Thanks all!

    Donations are very much appreciated as th enumber of affected penguins grows over 200 now, and sadly the number of dead is also rising :(

    You can send a donation via cheque, postal or money order (probably travellers cheque as well) to:

    Phillip Island Penguin Parade
    att: Penguin Hospital Support Fund
    P.O. Box 97
    Cowes
    Phillip Island. Victoria. 3922. AUSTRALIA.

    Email to: penguins@penguins.org.au (we WILL reply ASAP to all enquiries)

    On the programming side, we have just installed three (3) live online internet "kiosks" in our Visitor Centre. These are due to be up and running this week, delayed a little by the current crisis. Currently the three PC's are networked to a UNIX server, however we have been seriously investigating how to get a Linux box in place.I'm still on a learning curve with Linux, and must confess that it was Linux's use of the Little Penguin that first attracted me to the free/community OS. Programming enquiries to: penguins@ozgurus.com

    Thanks and have a good one all!

  • by Wench (9309) on Thursday January 06 2000, @01:12PM (#1397315) Journal
    From the site in the article:
    [penguins.org.au]
    http://www.penguins.org.au/chat/index.html

    there is now a link near the top to a form for online donations by credit card. If you don't want to look at the news and chat page on the penguin site, you can go direct to
    https://www.penguins.org.au/medi a/helpinghand.html [penguins.org.au]


  • Re:Penguins are cute, but people need help too by Wench (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @01:17PM
  • Re:I'm donating by ReadParse (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @01:24PM
  • Re:Helping people hurts in the long run. by ReadParse (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @01:36PM
  • Re:Penguins are cute, but people need help too by prizog (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:11PM
  • Re:You contemptible filth. by Chili (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:14PM
  • Re:Uhh.... (I want one!) by Chili (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:21PM
  • Re:New Logo by cute-boy (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:26PM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by mosch (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:26PM
  • by Ravenfeather (21614) on Thursday January 06 2000, @02:31PM (#1397326)

    The Philip Island Nature Park now has a form available for credit card donations [penguins.org.au]. That should take care of the currency-conversion problems.

    According to the rangers on the site, " All monies raised will be going directly to improving the Little Penguin Hospital facilities in the here and now."

  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Kintanon (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:40PM
  • Re:Why we should help animals.... by Kintanon (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @02:42PM
  • Re:Helping people hurts in the long run. by TheDullBlade (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @03:01PM
  • Re:He can't spell by connah (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @03:03PM
  • Re:Sending U.S. Funds by dbowen (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @03:11PM
  • Phillip Island Penguin parade by dbowen (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @03:25PM
  • Ahmen Brother! by Jonathan Hamilton (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @03:58PM
  • Re:Get Serious. by Hello Kitty (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @04:20PM
  • Re:Penguins are cute, but people need help too by Hello Kitty (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @04:42PM
  • Re:And in other news... by DartX (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @04:46PM
  • Re:Ahmen Brother! by Hello Kitty (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @04:50PM
  • Like hell they don't! by fable2112 (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @04:53PM
  • The Hunger Site is ridiculous by TheDullBlade (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @05:03PM
  • Re:Helping people hurts in the long run. by Midnight Coder (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @05:07PM
  • just the facts mam! - sm4113414311 by goon (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @05:17PM
  • Re:Discharging tanks ... flags of convenience by Malcontent (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @06:21PM
  • Re:You contemptible filth. by bigchris (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @06:43PM
  • Re:i would love by thogard (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @06:51PM
  • Further updates by Ravenfeather (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @06:51PM
  • Re:Further updates by Ravenfeather (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @06:56PM
  • Re:No Offense by thogard (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @06:57PM
  • Chariy or change? by Vryl (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:08PM
  • Re:Stuff like this makes us fell in tears... by Machina (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:12PM
  • Check out newspix for more pictures by bigchris (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @07:25PM
  • Re:Helping people hurts in the long run. by Ateran (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:01PM
  • Penguins and Linus by B.D.Mills (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @08:34PM
  • Re:Consequences under International Law by blane.bramble (Score:1) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:07PM
  • Invalid certificate - bad domain name by Lev_Arris (Score:2) Thursday January 06 2000, @11:34PM
  • Sponsorship?? by Tigger's Pet (Score:2) Friday January 07 2000, @12:23AM
  • I donated $20 by skurk (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @01:09AM
  • Re:poor guys by Penguin_Parade (Score:2) Friday January 07 2000, @01:29AM
  • Re:Discharging tanks ... flags of convenience by Penguin_Parade (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @01:37AM
  • Re:No Offense by Penguin_Parade (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @01:47AM
  • Re:This is not the first post by Penguin_Parade (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @01:58AM
  • Re:Uhh.... (I want one!) by CrayDrygu (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @03:16AM
  • Re:Maybe hopeless (YMMV) by Penguin_Parade (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @04:05AM
  • Re:Helping people hurts in the long run. by theJeff (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @04:37AM
  • Re:I'm donating by karb (Score:1) Friday January 07 2000, @05:51AM
  • crackup by leonbrooks (Score:1) Saturday January 08 2000, @02:55AM
  • Re:Penguins are cute, but people need help too by nEoN nOoDlE (Score:1) Thursday January 20 2000, @08:25AM
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