I consider that to be anything but moral. In fact it is better described as an evil form of eugenics. The very fact that you could come up with it suggests there is something very vile and anti-life arising in people such as yourself. When the implications of the tyranny you were suggesting sank in, I could only conclude there is something fundamentally human missing from you.

Clearly, only a woman's choice matters to you. What astounds me is the casual hatred and anger in suggesting "forced anonymized paternity" whilst trampling the rights of both fathers and children to know who they're connected to, or are you just proposing to trample the father's rights? The fact that you got up modded in a celebration of cruelty means you can now credit yourself for making the world a little darker.

Basically you're suggesting the creation of a planet of psychopaths through parental alienation, something known to be worse than sexual abuse of both genders. Your essentially proposing for children to be born into evil, I do hope you are able to turn yourself and others away from it.

Much the same way a woman over 30 becomes more and more invisible. Career will not fulfill most people's souls. You could try having a relationship with another women however, statistically, you're more likely to encounter domestic violence in F-F relationships.

If you don't find a man on your level, which is lower than you think it is, you'll be left alone with your emotions for the rest of your life. A job for which every man knows he is always needed.

It's just so sad that there is no love for men and children in the cult of feminism. No humanity in it.

Unless this amoral evil is all coming from your extremist views, I think you've clearly demonstrated feminism is a hate movement.

Specifically which of my comments in this thread or this topic did I bring religion into this discussion?

We're talking about the impact feminist control over reproductive policy has had on the falling birthrate that has occurred. It would seem you are not capable of having a rational discussion with me when you come up with a non sequitur like that. I could talk to you in hard numbers however it clear your not prepared to have a sincere conversation about them and what it means, which is a shame because I actually respect some of your views.

It seems you think I'm against abortion, I'm not. What's concerning is if you look at the abortion rate for the last year it makes up about 90% of the falling birth rate when excluding all other considerations. That tells me that there is a serious issue in western society regarding reproductive policy so it is only logical to look at where the control of that is.

Here are some things for you to consider. "The time to fix the roof is when the sun is shining" and "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" both from JFK. The fundamental inequality in reproductive law against men and children is the driving factor here and it's not even possible to discuss it.

As for your unrelated comments about religion, I'm not particularly religious however you'd have to be a fool not to uncover the wisdom encoded there. It was the ancients that said "There will come a time where ignorance is celebrated as virtue and lies celebrated as truth", it looks like we are living those days.

Woman's Choices in society:
1. Work
2. Stay at home and have children

Man's choice in society:
1. Work
2. Work

It's quite obvious when you simply look at reality for what it is. Don't be such a White Knight.

Vietnam as I recall 60,000 men died. Are you saying another 60,000 men should die just to make it relevant? Or have the laws changed, did I miss some landmark new laws that ended this practice?

Alternatively your world view has a fragile basis in reality and you're too confronted by the idea that I may actually have a point.

Exactly and since I don't have to put up with your shit the real question here is are you capable of a rational discussion?

Yes, I am alive, I am male and I have suffered wounds, 42 physical and a confidential amount of emotional wounds that I have spent time processing and resolving. I grew up in a family of mostly women and got an up-close look at the dark and light side of female nature.

I saw how vicious mentally unstable women can be. I saw how nurturing mentally stable women were. I've saw callous bullying females going after the humble feminine females up close. I learned early that filtering crazy bitches out of my life led to peace and abundance.

That's why your rage bait seems so stupid and disappointing compared to some of the comments you make later. I regret to inform you that you too have been brainwashed.

No man, woman or child's life is disposable. A consciousnesses right to existence is indisputable, unalienable basis of all human rights.

In nature some females eat the males. If you are actually a human being capable of having/had children, you are displaying the very dark side of female nature I'm talking about by not engaging your rational mind to evolve your worldview simply because it is not convenient to acknowledge and overcome this part of female nature the way men are forced to overcome theirs.

That fact is used as conditioning that forms a belief that men *should* be disposable so feminists can excuse debasing men as subhuman and deny parenting rights. Men are conditioned to sacrificing themselves to the whole through things like sports, which I ironically love playing. It was this discipline that allowed men to build society, mainly so no one has to die unnecessarily and we could become civilized.

Basic morality is what separates human beings from animals. Are you separated from basic morality?

By carrying, you mean nine months, the sum total obligation a pregnancy creates for either sex. Mandatory DNA testing and matching to eliminate paternity fraud. The right for a father to have the pregnancy go full term if he supports her during the pregnancy and during her recovery. Jail sentences for false accusations of rape or sexual harassment with accompanying civil penalties. 50/50 default custody laws. Mandatory mental health assessments to weight custody and protect the child's human rights. How about we start there and see the impact that has on the birth rate.

Feminists are all about equality after all, so let's see them support those initiatives and express the sincerity they have for their cause.

As additional evidence of my arguments, at the time of posting this I see the posts I created to explore this topic has been have been modded down as flamebaits and trolls clearly demonstrating the thought policing occurring. Feminism's continual denial of obvious and glaring truths is the first victim of a gender war and the birthrate represents its impact on western society because feminism has dictated reproductive policy for decades.

Oh my you are not very well informed about recent history. European history is filled with Queens waging war.

As I said, you do have some interesting ideas that I may explore when I am better rested. And before you launch into some diatribe about denying a woman's rights, the answer is no because there is no going backwards and it's a good thing because society evolved as a whole. It's now time to acknowledge men's rights in reproductive matters so that society can again evolve because the evidence so far shows that what we're doing now isn't working.

Feminism, like left and right politics. is obsolete.

Only men can be forced into dangerous combat roles. Combat for a woman is an option.

So what? Your inane rebuttal clearly reinforces that, the US at least, is a Matriarchy. Otherwise men would be able to opt out of war duty the same way a woman can opt out of children duty. The sexism against men in this society and the negation of children's rights for women's preferences is at the core of why western birthrates are plummeting. Third wave Feminism is a human rights disaster unfolding right before our eyes.

So you're telling me that a man has an option of committing a woman to a full term pregnancy if he wants the child and she does not? Conversely you're telling me a man can opt out of financial responsibilities for a child if he does not want the child? I don't see any equality there or are you telling me that men have those rights?

Instead of an actual argument all I see is an ad hom of my intellect telling me I'm naive whilst dismissing the concerns of millions of men, how sexist of you. Let's see your predictable attack on my masculinity next.

The down mod was expected and proves it's not even possible to have this conversation because feminist views are so easily dismantled when confronted with facts.

Genetic Men cannot have children and are basically slaves in this society whilst simultaneously portrayed as the oppressors in a system where they are forced to participate in being disposable. Both Feminism and Male chauvinism are dedicated to the protection of women and imposing the disposability of men at war and work.

When a man is sent to war, he never gets to say "My Body, My Choice" HE is forced to do HIS duty and jailed or permanently unemployable if he objects. If the world was actually a Patriarchy (which is also designed to protect women) then Marriage would be called Patrimony and the deaths of hundreds of thousands babies through abortion would not occur.

Feminists appear committed to the downfall of the very culture that nurtured them at the expense of Children's rights and men are gradually waking up to that.

There, I said it.

It constantly demonstrates that there has been a dearth of competence at the management level of IT for a long time.

I've made the job hunt continuous for this very reason. You can't expect loyalty, or even be loyal, but you can expect the role to end so I personally feel it's better to be the one choosing when that happens.

It's well past time that IT was unionized, mostly because the young people coming into IT don't really know how to negotiate. It's not their fault however it drags IT down salaries for everyone else. Then there are more subtle things like ergonomics and people over-working and importing that fucking brain dead 996 attitude as if IT work is comparable to a production line.

Maybe union isn't the right concept to some however the biggest issue that all techs have is an under representation in political circles so no one that matters gives a fuck about our concerns which means that all of us are ripe for exploitation from the moment we start our careers.

The churn you see is the externality IT professionals face because we have never got our house in order.

Exactly my point.

Time is already 0 at midnight, epoch time is a pretty good global time. We could standardised time on the amount of degrees in a circle. 0 for midnight, 360 for 6am, 720 midday, 1080 6pm and back.

Is everything ok at home? I was making a joke about how "Ozempic" sounds like "Olympic" FFS and then pointing out what worked for me. My Achilles tendon has ruptured four times this year and I CAN'T work out right now even though I want to, I have to fast to control my weight.

Junk food companies pour billions of dollars into marketing and employ teams of psychologist to get people to eat. If we had less advertising, we'd have a lot less fatties is probably a more reasonable argument.

Having withdrawn from opiates I can tell you that working off the weight I gained is not comparable.

Fuck dude - my sibling is morbidly obese and I'm mostly lean - can you explain the genetics of that?

No it isn't. Being fat isn't cancer, it's being fat. Some people have excuses and others have reasons but to compare being fat to cancer is a lie designed to draw people into your hopelessness by telling them there is nothing they can do.

An Ozempic Assleet.

On a more serious note I use small bouts of fasting, like skipping a meal, which helps in keeping both under control. You also get mental clarity. This helped me avoid the diabetes my siblings acquired.