Just out of curiosity, what is your country?
the justice system can't be perfect because it exists to resolve disputes between imperfect people.
There are a few examples of "perfect" systems that fail miserably, communism is idealistically perfect and yet the now defunct Soviet Union's implementation was riddled with corruption and inequity. Native american Indians lived in a very harmonious society, along came the europeans and took up a plan to wipe them out. Human beings are born completely vulnerable, harmless and innocent but the christian church has declared that everyone is born a sinner.
I think our "modern" notions of idealologies that describe a society, Communism and Capitalism, are both riddled with imperfection that manifests as the corruption that has destroyed them both. Corruption in our society is the thing that makes our idealologies imperfect and as a race we are too niave to accept that we are not as smart as we think we are, that our biggest enemy is human nature. That human nature is born harmless and innocent, but we soon grow out of that and I think that the expression "sinner" just means that we are imperfect. It is that imperfection that causes the corruption in our societies.
If some force has caused the status quo be altered than the justice system is there to examine whether the forces involved are lawful or not and what "punishment" or reparations are required to re-establish that status quo.
Agree. I think what is at issue is what is the status quo? What is required to make it more fair to normal, everyday people whilst powerful people weild such influence.
With more laws being passed with secret or classified clauses we can be sure the status quo is changing into something that is less equal, less fair and more fascist. But how those changes will effect lives of Americans is still too subjective an issue to say anything definitive except that we continue to depend on the good judgement of our public servants and citizenry to take those issues and smooth them over by continuing to work for the good of the people.
Those changes are happening everywhere. I'm dismayed to say that whilst some of the provisions of the patriot act will eventually sunset in the US, they will not inside of Australia. I seems we have quite an active intelligence apparatus here and whilst they probably do a good job in general (though I have no idea what that might be) it doesn't mean I have to like the constant intrusion by the government into my affairs.
Free should mean free and as answerable to our imperfections as a society as we are to the justice system for illegal activity. Undermining freedom in a democracy just means we are undermining democracy. Undermining democracy anywhere means we are undermining it everywhere and I feel that democracies are the minority in the world. No matter how much I try to write and talk to people there are never enough people protecting the fragility of democracy and another imperfection, apathy, will eventually be our undoing.
Personally, I can't share any sympathy for either of the two brothers; their methods have caused more damage to the cause for freedom and the persistance of those values in the Bill of Rights than they can imagine. Their actions make everyone think that a war on terror is a good idea. Besides that, they have left only suffering and grief in their wake and their legacy will stand as that of a public villan.
Absolutely. I have little doubt that this will be used as a staging post by the domestic bad guys to take a few more freedoms away. Personally, I'd rather live with the risk. Governments should be answerable for their lack of ability to act on the information they receive, yet nowadays it seems that incompetance is an excuse to take away the very freedoms that our societies are supposed to represent. Terrorism is a desperate and unimaginative act caused by governments who do not listen.
The falacy of "We do not negotiate with terrorists" has to be challenged because the reality is it is promoting more terrorism. Unless it is a random act of violence, terrorists have a motivation and I want to know what it is that has made them violent so that maybe we can remove that motivation to commit terroist acts in the first place.
After all, we used to listen.
There is a way to restore freedom. But it isn't easy and most everyone needs to want such a restoration and be willing to pay a price. People need to see the value in seeking more perfection in themselves before that perfection can have an effect on the freedom issue.
I think this is the difference between a Civillian and a Citizen. A Civilian will sit around, watching their sport, and take pot shots a people defending democracy as "political" or "whiners" or some other term. I beleive a Citizen is someone who participates in a democracy, not just by voting, but by writing letters to politicians and trying to change things for everyone in a peaceful way through the legislative process. They are the partners of democracy.
It's these Citizens who are the truest enemy of the terrorist. They defend themselves with pens and intellect whilst being the potential victim of the terrorist (facist or militia). They serve a community who often criticises and misunderstands their efforts to correct the many imperfections in society.
I'm still formulating my ideas on this. Possible.
I started by participating, and not being afraid of government. Surprisingly politicians listened and wrote back to me. I think if you are respectfull and intelligent they will respond, after all they are no different from you or me. It doesn't mean you have to be a politician, just be aware of the issues that affect you. I started by simply pointing out that what the house thought was a good idea, was a dumb idea and, politely, pointed out why.
Even this forum is a good place to start as a healthy exchange of ideas is the life of a healthy democracy. John F Kennedy said two pertinant things Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable and The time to fix the roof is when the sun is shining.
I fear we are heading towards the depotism Franklin warned the US constitution would not protect against and that violence is the storm clouds gathering.