The topic is crashes, in case you haven't noticed the article title.
Topics do drift you know. Perhaps I have a different metric, but an Update that causes programs to stop working, renaming files, placing programs and files to OneDrive.
The effect is remarkable similar to a crash. And to me, a failure of Windows that I do not have with Mac or Linux
It depends on what you want.. If you want a non upgradable appliance that kinda just works as long as you do it the Apple way, they are fine.
A computer should be an appliance. I have work to do. Spending time fixing a messed up Windows machine really wrecks productivity It only takes a few minutes of my burn rate and productivity loss to far exceed the cost of having a functioning computer.
The advantage of a PC is you can pick your components and upgrade them, but with the downside that you may have issues like the one I described.
For a hobbyist, maybe. For people making money and providing a service, computer downtime is a serious problem.
Windows is an unstable, insecure cluster bleep of an operating system, we know this!
Quite the opposite
Oh good to see you came in here to set the record straight. Even Microsoft is wrong. Google Windows 11 is a disaster and find out how everyone is wrong.
Here's your problem. While you focus on a monovariant, that for some reason, the only problem is drivers. What about endless reboot loops, mystery fails on updates, changing names of critical files, moving programs and or critical program files to one drive, causing program failure and/or crashes.
Blaming it on drivers, and not using enterprise level equipment just no longer works. All that is doing is blaming the user, the old concept of "Microsoft cannot fail, only we can fail Microsoft."
The upshot of all this is plain. Windows is fundamentally broken, regressing under Windows 11. And if all the problems are the users fault, they can migrate to an OS where they don't cause all those problems.
Users should never be able to do things that cause crashes in the same way that drivers should not ever be able to press any button or press any pedal that causes the engine to spontaneously burst into flames.
I don't have crashes.
I'm also a Mac user, but let's not boast here, shall we?
Is it boasting though? Not having crashes should be the expected situation. A pity it is considered a flex.
It's like boasting that your refrigerator keeps food cold. 8^)
Windows is crashing because users are doing things that cause crashes. This issue needs to be investigated in MUCH more detail. I don't have crashes.
So..you don't actually do a damn thing with Windows computers? Hence the reason you don't have crashes?
Hey, your logic. Not mine.
Well, I do the same things on My Macs and Linux computers. Yet they don't crash. But the same things on Windows machines do. I fear our friends logic doesn't hold up on any level.
might as well post the issues here https://www.windowscentral.com... https://www.neowin.net/news/mi...
Microsoft is saying W11 is broken, while the faithful here claim it is only poorly written drivers. And the anger is so intense that Microsoft disabled comments on social media. Here, they blame the users.
And the users? They've heard it all before... https://www.pcworld.com/articl....
The story on Linux is different. You have to work really hard to hunt down a machine where the hardware is supported.
Wut? Is this 2000 or something? I haven't had a driver issue since around 2005, and during installs, Linux just goes out and grabs drivers.
These things include:
- booting - rebooting - using basic high quality hardware (asus/mb/msi boards w/ corsair/crucial memory, nvidia GPUs, seasonic PSUs) - installing drivers
I've seen crashes on W10/W11 on each of these, sometimes (often) requiring "repair" that fails, and a reinstall (of the OS). Multiple machines.
I just won't do it anymore.
This! I get to see the hell people go through just to have a Windows 11 computer - as well as my own travails. At this point, my Windows machines get used for a few remaining tasks, then put back in the case, while I use machines that stay working.
People can try to blame it on drivers - which is only one of the failure mechanisms. People can blame it on Macs closed ecosystem which means that hardware and software are written for each other - by Apple, which means that.....get ready for it.....it works!
And then there are the weird problems, like renaming audio drivers, moving freaking programs to the cloud and removing them from the machine, as well as mystery changes that you just give up and fix it, then wait for it to happen again.
My Macs and Linux machines don't have this problem. Productivity is much better when you have almost 0 downtime.
There is also a different kind of audience creating a bias for heavier useage of PCs. Most gaming happens on PCs and not macs. Gaming pushes the speeds / bandwidth to the maximum and generates heat more. There was a lot of audio / video work on Macs, but that happens occasionally. In the past 10 years more developers use Macs, but development generally does not keep CPU at maximum for extended periods of times.
I dunno about you, but My Macs get pushed pretty hard. They continue to work. My latest hasn't crashed yet. And my Windows machines on W11 can crash after an update, not particularly hard work.
I suspect Windows supporters will claim Mac users are less intelligent,
Nope. They'll point out that Macs are typically closed boxes where Apple has total control, and supplies all the drivers. Anything the user adds will be USB, thunderbolt, or HDMI. Yes they will. And I'll point out that I want my computer to work. I don't buy computers to fix problems inherent in the paradigm. I do want the company to write and supply functional drivers.
Since the next move the'll make is the claim of how expensive Macs are, I'll point out that my burn rate, fixing screwed up Windows machines, far, far exceeds any monetary saving claims. That cost effective Windows machine suddenly cost then 5-10 times the cost of the minimally cheaper device. I'm here to do my work. Figuring out why a Windows machine needs constant fixing is not good for productivity
I suspect Windows supporters will claim Mac users are less intelligent, which would suggest they do MORE stupid things. And if stupid things correlate with crashes, Macs would crash more.
But they don't. So somebody is wrong about something, or there's more missing information.
The meme of Mac Users as stupid is just that - a meme.
The most adroit computer users I know use MacOS and Linux. I group them together because MacOS is Unix, and Linux is Unix-y. Despite the meme of the retarded Mac User, and the smug Linux user, these are power users. I spend almost as much time in Terminal on My Mac as I do in the GUI - sometimes more.
My present Mac Mini has never crashed. Had for over a year now (M4) My newer Lenovo has had update issues, kidnapped files and put them on one drive, causing them to stop working, and mystery audio issues, changing names, also making the associated program stop working. These are not the driver issues claimed by some as the only reason Windows crashes. These are systemic regression of Windows 11.
Regardless, some of us want computing devices that fscking work! not excuses for why our computers work - some times.
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It's at the edge of our technological capacity to produce such a spacecraft now, so the barrier is economic. That's a massive barrier, but in theory we definitely could, if we put a significant percentage of GDP of the wealthiest nations towards the project, produce a spacecraft that keep astronauts alive and relatively protected from ionizing radiation both on the journey and while on Mars.
As to your general assholery, I guess everyone has to have an outlet, though why Slashdot is a bit mysterious.
Yes.
Using the kernel developed by Next was a huge deal. It doesn't change the fact that 25 users ago Apple was an absolute mess (thus the need to purchase Nexr for the OS (and CEO).
Os9 was an absolute outdated disaster.
And? Are Windows 11 problems negated because of an ancient Mac Operating system?
Can you explain why that is the case - since you brought it up a number of times now.
This is a real issue. My Digital radio classes, which during Windows 7 days, took two classes to have everyone's systems running, then transition to the important details that make the software easy to use. My last class took months for the Windows users, as Windows 11 updates borked their installs. Either through Blue screening, or endless reboot loops, or if the software survived the update, plain weird stuff happening. On the Windows 11 laptop I was using, the programs stopped running. Microsoft in its wisdom, moved the programs and files to OneDrive. changed my username to my Microsoft account, and removed my local name from everything. The eventual fix was uninstalling OneDrive. I could blame that on myself if it happened immediately, but it didn't.
It was not lost upon the class that I switched over to my Mac and it just worked. I had to do that because it was going to take a while to restore my Windows machine to function. And my students were having similar problems.
Meanwhile, My Mac and Linux machines just cruise along without issue. Installed software stays working, Updates don't bork the machines or software. And that is what we want.
My students have asked for a new class - an introduction to Linux. They are pissed off at Windows 11, which is regressing.
Macs only do better because Apple tightly controls the hardware. Prebuilt Windows machines are probably similarly reliable, at least from people like Lenovo and maybe Dell.
Is Apple tightly controlling the hardware a bad thing?
I want computers that do not crash. And if the way to do that is having compatible hardware and compatible drivers, that is telling me something about what I want.
And it is less expensive as well. People with prideboners because their windows machine cost 50 dollars less than the "overpriced Mac crap" burn incredible amounts of money when their sensibly priced Windows Machines crap out. And if I'm called in, the burn rate goes even higher.
Lenovo isn't too terrible- by comparison - but still has issues. And Dell still has trouble waking up, needing a reboot.
Hey, believe it or not, that is actually the OS crashing. The crash might occur in the driver, but it's still the OS crashing.
Not when its a 3rd party driver.
A distinction with absolutely no difference.
I get it - Windows can never fail - we can only fail Windows. Meantime, you have a computer that crashed for some reason, and you have to deal with it. Tell your customer it isn't Windows fault, that will not likely make a difference.
The know one thing - a computer they bought because it is Windows, the largest installed user base, the mainstay and gold standard of industry, is sitting there, unless for the task and bringing productivity to zero.
Hey, believe it or not, that is actually the OS crashing.
The crash might occur in the driver, but it's still the OS crashing.
This. about 20 million times this. I had to chuckle at the "Its nowt Winders crashing, itz da dryvers!" excuse.
As if a hung system isn't a hung system no matter what caused it.
And the hell of it is that there are plenty of crash things not driver related. Like Windows updates. And with Windows 11, it is getting worse. Know why Windows is the only OS that has BOHICA updates, while MacOS and Linux allow you to install them on your schedule?
Because they have to force them on you. I'll update my non-windows machines as soon as convenient because they'll work after the update.
The finest eloquence is that which gets things done.
