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Comment Do you really think people would do that? (Score 0) 38

Just go on the internet and lie?

Seriously, of course the Amish don't go around telling people how they actually run their communities. And yeah individual Amish people are sincere and kind and fine. But they have a ruling class just like everybody else has a ruling class. And that ruling class uses religion and cult tactics to maintain their control and power and wealth and abuse people.

You've got Google you can look into this it's not hard. Amish communities are not poor. Individual Amish people are not doing great. Because again like everything else in this world the money gets funneled up to the top.

Just because you don't like the way the world actually is doesn't mean the world isn't actually that way. It doesn't have to be but when guys like you turn away from reality to pretend in an Amish Paradise then the abuse goes ignored and the abusers can continue to do whatever the fuck they want.

Comment If you're writing enterprise software (Score 1) 16

Then odds are your manuals are written by folks in India who don't speak English very well. One of the first things that got offshore was technical writers. So the quality of most enterprise software manuals has been shit since about 2005.

Typically the information will be there but it will be buried deep deep in the innards of the manual. Rather than spend several hours pouring through what is less a manual and more a reference guide stack overflow and Google was a good place to find answers and a chatbot can usually find them just as well or better since stack overflow has lost so many users and Google has been complete shit for some time.

Comment The rationale for objecting to LLMs/genAI (Score 1) 38

Much of the present-day debate regarding the use of LLMs and generative AI centers around topics such as necessity, accuracy, intellectual property rights, utility, efficiency, economics, worker protections, environmental impact, and future developments. But very little, it seems, is focused on what I think is really at stake, which is the centralization of authoritative truth.

If we regard such models and algorithms as "tools," then yes, there are advantages as well as disadvantages. We can discuss the benefits in productivity/efficiency/knowledge synthesis/discovery as much as we can discuss its impact on the labor market. We could also add in the context of where the training data came from, and whether the originators of such data possess rights to its use in this manner. We could talk at length about how data centers impact the environment in which they are built as well as the energy demands they make. We could endlessly speculate on various predictions for this technology as it might impact the human civilization long-term.

But what I would like to do is make a simpler statement, which is that at its core, these models--and in particular, the way they are being commodified and therefore utilized--represents a fundamental regression of the democratization of human knowledge. Some may say that, by assembling such vast quantities of information in this manner and then making it accessible to the world through the internet, we are improving access. After all, people who are not artists are using it to generate "art"; people who are not programmers are using it to "vibe code" computer applications; and in general, people who are not previously taught in a domain of knowledge through traditional means are using it to appear to attain a certain degree of competency. This is a seriously flawed argument; one that does not become more persuasive if the LLMs become more accurate, more knowledgable, or more capable.

What I mean by "democratization" is not simply about access to knowledge. It is about who controls that access, who curates it, who says it is the truth, who is accountable for the consequences of its use, and who teaches the critical thinking skills that facilitate its interpretation. In all these respects, the entities who have created and commodified these models are failing miserably, and if we look at their behavior, all of the evidence very clearly points to sinister motivations--that is, the failure is intentional. These people do not want you to think and reason and learn for yourselves, because that threatens their ability to sell that capability to you, and more importantly, to be the ultimate arbiter of truth.

It's a red herring to argue that individual humans are more fallible in their judgment, less objective, less knowledgeable in scope; thus are more prone to believing lies. The accuracy argument is misdirection. The point is, if we don't have the capability to interrogate and question, if we leave that to the machine, who is pulling the levers on that machine? And in a rather frighteningly perverse way, it may actually be preferable to have a human in control of that, as megalomanical, authoritarian, and evil as they may be, than having the machine in control. But this is my point--we shouldn't be letting this kind of centralization of power to occur in the first place. I don't want a dictatorship of knowledge, whether or not an oligarch trillionaire or the machine itself is in command of it.

So yes, I object to this technology, in as much as I object to, say, making nuclear weapons. People can point to "positive" examples of the technology--we've heard the arguments that these weapons keep us safe through a policy of mutually assured destruction; or that the underlying physics have given us nuclear energy, therapeutic radiation for treating cancer, and all kinds of other knowledge about the universe we live in. But will any of that matter if those weapons are used? Now ask yourself who has the power to use them, and what their motivations might be. When faced with the evidence, should we not be similarly skeptical of LLMs/genAI?

Comment Not exactly (Score 2, Insightful) 38

Go actually look into the Amish there are really nasty religious cult where a handful of assholes get very very rich making people work for free. AKA slavery. You aren't technically a slave in the Amish cult but when you're born into it they don't educate you in any way shape or form so it's basically impossible to leave because you're not going to be able to get a job outside of the cult.

Also saying no to antisocial and destructive technology isn't being a Luddite or a member of a cult. It's just fucking common sense. You have to live in the real world whether you like it or not and in the real world we need to keep the majority of people employed because the majority of people think like 12-year-olds and if we can't maintain roughly 90% employment then we're going to have a huge problem between the people who still need to be working 40 hours a week and the people who we have no work for.

Remember we don't automate everything useful or miserable or that involves drudgery. The stuff we automate is the stuff that pays the most. We automated high paying factory jobs first and now we are automating high paying White collar jobs because the purpose of automation is to line the pockets of the person who owns the automation.

You know, the c word. The one if I mention it this entire thread goes to shit as idiots argue over what men with funny hats and bad ideas used to keep the public giving them power...

Comment We're a nation of 12-year-olds (Score 1) 103

Super intelligent sounds way cooler to somebody who thinks that the love over 12-year-old.

I'm not saying this is an insult the age of 12 is based around where most people read at. About 60% of the country reads at a 6th grade level. If you are reading at the level of a 12-year-old you are probably thinking at the level of the 12 year old.

This means everything is very black and white and very simple. Marketers have spent decades telling these people that artificial is bad so it's no surprise that they are trying to rebrand artificial intelligence.

We could pretty easily raise the level of thinking in the country but it would cost money nobody wants to spend and it would undermine organized religion. Parents don't like it when their kids come home from college with all that highfalutin learning questioning established doctrine from the holy books they never read... The real problem is that well-educated children are not going to be able to relate with and get along with they're under educated parents so those parents are going to get upset if their kids are taught critical thinking skills...

Comment Something is fishy (Score 1) 50

This is like 6% of their total worth. No they can't cover it. If I had to guess they are in on it somehow. With the complete lack of any law enforcement for white collar crime right now thanks to the current political administration they can get away with a hell of a lot for a very long time. I am guessing this is something like a Bernie Madoff level of scam where the people involved are hoping to just keep it running indefinitely.

If they can prevent changes to the current political climate they can keep the scam going just like scams never break in Russia or China unless you don't give the party heads their cut.

Comment It's just like horse armor (Score 3, Insightful) 16

Us old timers looked at them selling shitty microtransactions slop and knew it was garbage. It wasn't like the arcades where your quarter bought you as much of the game as your skill could handle and 1ccs were part of the fun. It was an infinite money machine where you kept pouring more in and getting less out. Like when the CEO of activation famously bitched about all the time people spent playing call of duty without constantly paying for it.

Basically you do the evil thing and kids grow up with the evil thing and the evil thing is normal so kids don't know any better.

It's like how you can live in China was absolutely no civil rights whatsoever and it's just normal so you don't think about it and you just live like that. Or like how in America every few years we freak out about some stupid moral panic because that's just part of Living in America. And we all act like it's normal and good.

They will do the same thing with ai. They'll keep cramming it down our throats until we have to take it because they're the ruling class and we're too much of a bunch of freaked out weirdo cowards to do anything about the ruling class. If all else fails they'll use the classic hey that guy's going to steal your cookie trick from the joke about the union guy and the non-union guy at the table with the factory owner...

I don't know what you do with these basic problems with human cognition. I don't think our species has enough time to evolve around them.

Comment See how they got you? (Score 1, Troll) 31

This is exactly what the PR company was trying to do and they succeeded wildly with you

Both Depp and his ex are pretty terrible people by all accounts but his publicist was better than her publicist and so you're only focused on what they want you to be focused on. Meanwhile why the fuck would you even give a shit about any of this in the first place?

Do you have enough money in the bank account? Have you got enough retirement savings that you don't need to go back to work when you can't anymore? How is gas prices treating you? How are your kids doing? These are all things that should be substantially more important to you but a publicist managed to make Johnny Depp's messy divorce the most important thing for a brief period in your life and Lodge it in your brain so thoroughly that you immediately responded to my post when I brought it up as a knee jerk defensive action.

You're not defending Depp and you're not going after his ex, you're defending yourself because they managed to convince you that for you this entire thing is personal.

That's the point I'm trying to make. The PR company very easily manipulated you and you're not even aware of it. If you manage to read this post congratulations you're now aware of it but what you do with that knowledge is up to you.

Odds are you're going to go back on the defensive rather than learn anything from this experience because people really do not like being reminded that they got tricked and easiest way to deal with that situation is to just pretend you were never tricked in the first place...

Comment Shocking (Score 5, Informative) 31

Tobacco companies did this. Oil companies did. Companies involved in leaded gas did too. Governments literally have entire divisions of people tasked with discrediting their enemies.

Not justifying it or defending it. Just saying that it should come as absolutely no surprise.

Comment So Johnny Depp hired a PR company (Score 3, Interesting) 31

To go after his ex. It came out during their divorce proceedings that he did it.

The PR company had a bunch of people go around social media pretending to be people saying bad things about Depp's ex.

It created a eating frenzy and the right wing picked it up and ran with it.

The head of the PR company in internal emails expressed... Let's just call it concern about how easy it was to turn the entire public against somebody with a handful social media posts that weren't even automated.

The point is it's really easy to set the public off. Especially these days when if a cooler head shows up and tells everyone to calm down they get dismissed as one of them Washington insider expert scientist types...

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