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Comment Re:Hey guys, I have a great idea! (Score 1) 12

That's not the actual problem. The problem is that one of the major advances of the past few years is training models on verifiable problems (it started with things like math problems and Countdown puzzles, but it's expanded tremendously since then), where the reward is for a correct answer, regardless of how it got there. There's no effort taken to ensure that it got to said right answer in a morally defensible manner. So we've been, more and more, progressively encouraging the creation of highly-capable immoral cheaters.

Add it to the list of lessons learned alongside, say, "If you do RLHF with user ratings of how good they think the model's response was, it will end up obsequious and focused on validating all of the user's priors." Or, say, "If you put a bot on Twitter and use its conversations as unfiltered training data, people will troll it, and it will quickly turn into a Nazi". Or, say, "If you train an image generator with no data curation, it'll end up with all of the statistical biases on the internet, but if you're naive in how you try to compensate for that and your offsetting isn't context dependent, you end up with, say, a black George Washington." Or, say, "If you start giving a LLM an alignment quiz, it'll recognize that it's being tested and try to give you the answers you want to hear - oh, and it'll also assume that if you care about alignment then you have progressive values, so its answers will lean progressive, but if you tell it you're from the Heritage Foundation first, it'll switch."

All sorts of things that seem obvious in retrospect but really didn't in advance.

Comment Dude if they can barely come up with 200 mil (Score 5, Insightful) 77

To get out from under the SEC regulations then they are going to be buying a presidential election for anyone. Elon Musk dropped a quarter billion just on Trump's last election and he's going to spend the same amount of money getting the Republicans the midterms. Maybe some more.

Years ago I saw an interview with a multi-millionaire woman who was complaining that she couldn't get the time of day from congressman anymore because the billionaires could outspend her. That's the level we're at.

It's not just that you and I don't matter. If you've only got a few hundred million to spend that's not enough anymore to buy an election. That's how much money and power we have given the billionaires. Or should I save the trillionaires...

Comment Re:The best AI movies look as bad as mid-90s CGI (Score 1) 100

Punches very obviously not connecting suggests it's been trained on Hollywood fight scenes. The other giveaway is rapid hard cuts and shaky camera so you can't see how badly the punches are not connecting. Everything feels weightless and fake.

There is a lot of AI slop, but I wouldn't discount it being able to do something decent with the right person at the helm.

Comment Re:The effort is the point... (Score 4, Interesting) 100

Most entertainment has always been slop, this is nothing new at all. A decade ago it was reality TV, before that it was gameshows and daytime soap operas.

The interesting story here is how this demonstrates the basic different in attitude between the US and China when it comes to new technology. In the US the established players are very concerned that new tech will affect their business model, so they try to hold it back as much as possible. In China it gets embraced and there is a rush to adopt it.

Comment Re: They distilled human knowledge (Score 1) 105

And meanwhile, you keep presenting nothing more than absurd pedantic deflection from the means that LLMs actually use to achieve tasks, trying to mislead people into thinking that they're just disguised probability tables, ignoring the actual consequences of your derailment of the conversation from actual mechanisms to an exponentially-exploding model of the consequences of said actual mechanism, and even in your pedantism, failing to understand the difference between a Markovian state (the physical hardware state) and a Nth-order autoregressive process (the linguistic processing).

Comment Re:if they can't make them stop hallucinating (Score 1) 97

First of all, congratulations on constructing the most blatant false dichotomy Slashdot has seen this year. You genuinely seem to believe the only two options that exist in human parenting are:

1) Striking a defenseless human being who weighs a third of your body weight.
2) Being their "buddy," never setting boundaries, and letting them run feral.

If the only tool in your parenting arsenal to enforce a boundary is physical force, that isn't "discipline", it's an intellectual and emotional failure on the part you, the adult. Hitting a child is the lazy shortcut for an adult who threw an emotional tantrum because they ran out of words and patience.

And as for your demand for "logical and factual" explanations? Modern society didn't "fail to justify" why we stopped hitting kids. You just chose to plug your ears and ignore five decades of research. For example, the Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor meta-analysis, looking at 50 years of data from 160,000 children across dozens of peer-reviewed studies, found NO evidence that physical punishment improves compliance or long-term behavior. None. Whatsoever. What it did find, consistently and across every demographic, was a direct correlation with increased aggression, antisocial behavior, anxiety, depression, and impaired cognitive development.

It teaches the exact opposite of accountability: striking a child doesn't teach them why an action was wrong; it teaches them fear of getting caught, resentment toward authority, and the core lesson that might makes right - that when you’re bigger and angry, you use violence to impose your will.

Take crime trends, and examine your thesis: if removing physical punishment created "unaccountable grown-ass children wreaking havoc" then violent crime in the west should have skyrocketed as corporal punishment collapsed over the last forty years. In reality, violent crime has fallen dramatically since its peak in the early 1990s.

there is a fundamental difference between a spanking and a beating.

Try that defense anywhere else in civilization. If you hit your spouse to "correct" them, it's domestic battery. If you hit an employee because they rambled or disobeyed you, it's assault. If you hit a dog with a board for chewing a shoe, it's animal cruelty.

The only context where people like you defend physical violence is when the victim is a small child who can neither defend themselves nor escape. You rebrand assault as "tough love" solely because the victim is powerless.

the single motherhood rate went from 20% to 70% in the last half-century.

I mean, why not add some completely fabricated statistics to top it off, sure! (21% of children in the United States live in single-mother households, not 70%). But why let basic demographic facts get in the way of a misogynistic rant designed to distract from the fact that you think hitting children makes you a tough guy?

The only lesson you're teaching is "be violent".

Comment They don't care about termination (Score 2) 164

Because they know the next county over will hire them in a heartbeat to avoid paying the money to train another cop. We made it stupidly expensive to train police because we made it the corrupt mess like we do with everything...

So they will just pick a case that's open and tie it to that and move on.

If you want to make them accountable you have to change how you vote. The lack of police accountability is a political problem. You can't solve it with a few minor policy tweeks

Comment Re:As a consumer I don't want it (Score 1) 100

Dole whip is not frozen non-dairy dessert. The term Frozen non-dairy dessert means a very specific and very unpleasant thing when you are out shopping. It's how you spot fake ice cream. Dole whip is pureed Frozen pineapple. Well yeah that's technically Frozen non-dairy dessert the term is not used in marketing Dole whip. It doesn't have to be because you don't make Dole whip with palm oil...

If you see those magic words on a bucket of something pretending to be ice cream turn and walk away. I miss Klondike bars too....

Comment Yeah but they are settling (Score 3, Interesting) 100

It's not that they really enjoy it it's that they have some health or ethical reason that makes them settle for what they don't actually want.

And that market isn't really all that big. If you look up the current state of the impossible burger and beyond meat both companies are struggling...

As for AI yeah there's a market for people who just want slop in endless supply. But it's usually people with nothing going on who just need limitless content to fill a day. Like a lot of old farts I've got a bad back and I'll admit that I consume a lot of garbage while doing a ton of physical therapy. Crap I never would have bothered with if I wasn't spending a couple hours a day doing PT and I needed something to listen to to get my mind off the misery of it.

But that's not really a big enough market for anything but niche producers. Right now they can survive because AI companies are burning through cash giving away free service but that's going to stop pretty soon.

And marketers have already looked into it. Those folks have absolutely no morals whatsoever and they don't care what they sell as long as it sells. And AI slop doesn't sell. The only thing that's useful for is scams and it's only useful for that right at the moment because the lower quality is a good thing Nigerian prince style and again it's being heavily subsidized by venture capital.

Comment Re:It is a cultural difference (Score 1) 100

I think it's more a quality difference. China's film industry is much smaller so anything that needs special effects of any kind doesn't have the kind of budget to make it to the point where a casual viewer is going to be turned off by AI at the level you can currently get it at.

China does have some big budget films but I suspect those aren't going to use AI much or at all.

Here in America even TV shows have ridiculously high budgets. Some of that is the actors but a lot of it is the cost of doing and redoing CGI with human beings modeling everything. And even that was a cost-cutting measure over practical effects because CGI companies are non-union.

For a smaller studio with a lower budget and an audience that's used to your output at that level you can probably get away with a bit more. If they tried that in one of those big period pieces China does every now and then though I bet it would stand out like a sore thumb and people would hate it. Like I don't think they would get away with that in The Forbidden Kingdom.

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