Behold the Lizardman 182
WhiskeyJack writes "At the cutting edge of body art, student Erik Sprague
of Albany New York has turned himself into a human
lizard. His parents must be awfully proud. :) " Surgically split tongue. Ridge implants in his forehead. Green scales. And then there's me: scared to put on a rub-on tatoo ;)Update: 12/21 08:26 by H : For the not-so-squeamish, Zorro sent us some shots and pictures of the lizardman. Forked tongue, indeed.
Pictures from my meeting with him this summer (Score:1)
Pictures Of Him And A Bio (Score:4)
Bad Command Or File Name
Dude... (Score:1)
What?!?!? (Score:1)
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There was never a genius without a tincture of madness.
Your eyes say yes but your mouth says no... (Score:1)
By lamenting the way this guy spends his government loan stipend and circus checks you are simply keeping alive the old curmugeonly view of societal norms. I believe that if people were more free to express themselves as they saw fit without fear of humiliation, exclusion and retribution, then we would see less crime, less suicide, less violence against those who represent the 'norm'. I am thinking of Columbine - I heard the recordings those boys made, joking on their upright Christian classmates... It made me shake my head. If we, as a society, took more notice of the things right and wrong around us - but here's where the problem is. Who decides what's right? We can't fix ANYTHING until we become more tolerant of each other's differences. That means that the pious right-wing NRA guy has to respect the Latino transvestite VooDoo Priestess and vice versa. What's right for me may not be right for you, but neither of us has the right to make that call for the other.
Not trying to flame, honest. I think you are more or less on the side of freaks, but just wanted to point out it's not as simple as finding about 1,000 other ways to express one's creativity. Why should anyone have to compromise their vision?
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
Re:Some Pictures of the guy (Score:2)
1) Code up some brilliantly clever software and release it under the GPL.
2) Cut your penis in half and hammer some nails into your head.
...now, where in hell did I put that hammer...
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
Aol again... (Score:1)
Re:closemindedness and the body eclectic (Score:1)
IDIC definition.. (Score:1)
Re:For those interested in more... (Score:1)
If you want to see how fucked up society *really* is, take a look at that site. It's sad really, that men would willingly castrate themselves, take pictures of it with the blood splattered everywhere, and then post it to a website. Ack.
There's an obvious thing missing... (Score:2)
I want to see PICTURES of this guy!!!!!!
anyone have a link? or is this just a text story?
How can anyone post a story like that without pictures?
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grappler
Wow (Score:1)
Re:Some Pictures of the guy (Score:4)
Dude, power on if you're doing what you feel to be your calling in life. Congratulations. But, I can think of about 1,000 other ways to express one's creativity, be rebellious, get press, etc., that (1) leave you multiple options in the job market, (2) don't make you look like a moron when (or possibly WAAAAY before) you turn 60, (3) won't get your ass kicked between the pinball machines if you happen to have a layover in San Antonio, and (4) are reversible.
On a social level, I see the word "extreme" batted around in relation to this. "Extreme", as in "probably a bad idea", yes. "Extreme" as in "cool and MTV-televisable", who gives a shit? If we, as a society, took more notice of the things right and wrong around us, with an eye to making things more equitable for our fellow {men,women,lizards,klingons,lawyers,etc.}, than we do of someone making an arguable artistic statement by spending his government loan stipend and circus checks on scale tattoos and tooth filing, do you think maybe we wouldn't be completely fucked up as a race?
Re:ooh, how about Bill Gates (Score:2)
I bet Superman never did this... (Score:2)
WHOOPEEEE!
He's got a webpage! (Score:1)
http://members.aol.com/spidergod5/index.html
Why not Nirva? (Score:4)
Check out Nirva [ishiboo.com].
>rant<
Personally I think that body modification is cool, but do we really need it on
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Slashnot: News that doesn't quite cut it! (Score:1)
Re:IDIC definition.. (Score:1)
Lizardman is a nice guy (Score:1)
He let me feel his teeth, and while it was wierd, there is NO doubt in my mind that he knows what he is doing. It's not just an act, it is what he perceives himself to be, and I say more power to him.
Some people are horribly afraid of peopel like Erik. They represent a paradox - "how can a person be so 'stupid' (as to do this to themselves), yet be far more intelligent than me?"
Wake up people. Looks aren't everything - in fact, they aren't anything.
Erik is also a regular contributor to rec.arts.bodyart (news://rec.arts.bodyart for browser babies) and BME (http://www.bme.freeq.com).
Erik - if you read this - rock on.
Tim
What the hell? (Score:1)
(first post?)
-Neux
I don't think I've ever been that bored (Score:1)
So, whats the pool at for 'How long before this guy is in some German Fetish pr0n'? Personally, I give it 6 months...
Re:Your eyes say yes but your mouth says no... (Score:1)
> but neither of us has the right to make that call for the other.
I disagree. I think this point of view is valid but has some boundaries. As a society we have to care for our elements. If a killer, in his own point of view, sees himself as right, I cannot just 'respect' him and let him kill people. Even to another society, I couldn't help but apply my own moral principles and ethics; after all, that's what makes me as a person, and all my thoughts - including the law on which I agree - are derived from this.
I think this thought is usually too simplistic and too individualistic to be accepted as a principle for communistic coexistence. So, IMHO, it's not a "don't interfere, what happens with other people is none of your business", but a "respect other people's will until they do not prove themselves bad" - and as "bad", I mean there IS and there will always be some judgment here.
By the way, I do not feel good for this lizard guy. I think he's in some sort of awakened dream, thinking that he's "cool" or something like that, but he's more like a clown and do not realize it.
Patola.
I knew some RAB'ers were here (Score:1)
I am surprised how idiotic so many of these
Re:For those interested in more... (Score:1)
The incredible Lizardman! (Score:2)
Say.. On that note, I wonder if I could get PAID for laying around slurping up houseflies for a living! Hmmmmm.. Food (--- Arghhh!) for thought!
Re:I bet Superman never did this... (Score:1)
The whole performance was excellent, and Jim handles hecklers well. I couldn't stop laughing all night.
-Moracq
What, no pictures? (Score:1)
Re:Is it just me... (Score:3)
I'm not saying slashdot is perfect in anyway, just that people will always complain, no matter what goes on.
That's his travel plans scuppered... (Score:1)
What a weird little island this is.
An informative interview (Score:1)
For a rather informative interview, check out this [bodymodification.com] interview at Body Modification E-zine. This guy is pretty intelligent, and has some good personal reasons for his modifications (whether we agree with them or not is another issue).
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Change edu to com for my real email address.
shades of Neuromancer (Score:1)
Personally, I'm holding out for aftermarket muscle that can be grafted on.
Re:Some Pictures of the guy (Score:4)
he got posted on Slashdot.
All was not in vain.
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grappler
Re:pictures (Score:1)
Re:Intolerance (Score:2)
Value neutral here. The guy may be a genius. He may be a moron. He may just be having fun.
YOU sir, are just as guilty as those you condemn, by denigrating those who choose to live in their "feeble bodies" (by implicationin you call us feeble). I have no piercings, no tatoos, and if I'm rejected as timid or conformist because of that, then I want nothing to do with you anyway.
Body alteration. (Score:1)
A long while back, friends were getting tattooed. Well, a few of them got upset because "Everyone else was doing it" and so they went out and got pierced. And then, well, pierced in weird places. So, I made jokes that the next will come ritual scarring -- and then self-multilation.
Amazing how things said in jest come true sometimes. Lizard man may now be allowed to hang himself by his nipples from a tree, be spun around and beaten with rattan sticks until he has a vision.
Re:Found a picture (Score:2)
Re:I knew some RAB'ers were here (Score:2)
hey tim! heh
I always just tell the story about how my girlfriend got busted on the candian border in a car with eric and one of their other friends, and how the candian border police treated them.. heh.
Re:Lizardman is a nice guy (Score:2)
There are freaks out there. get used to the idea. and not all of them are freakish on the inside like yourself, some like the outward freakish appearance.
There are the share of posers, but how many script kiddiez do you know that think they are bad ass because they have 0-d4y \,\,4R3Z!
this guy is the real deal.. heh
Re:He has a homepage (Score:1)
even more extreme... (Score:1)
They include things like surgical alteration [freeq.com], nullification [freeq.com], and extreme tattoos [freeq.com], though if you want really hardcore wierdness, you're going to have to go to BME/Hardcore [freeq.com].
-Violence never settles anything -- Genghis Khan
SpiderGod and other Body Modification ramblings (Score:2)
Secondly, there's RAB [rec.arts.bodyart] and #bodyart on EFnet. I used to hang out there, and it's a great place for the freaks. It's funny that it gets so easy to spot the posers ('I got my belly button pierced') and the hard core people ('I got this piece of plastic embeded in my forhead!').
But please remember the Media distorotion that happens. He might look like a Reptile, but he's a nice enough guy. Smart too.
I started hanging on #bodyart cause my friends did, posted to RAB a few times, met my current girlfriend [bmeworld.com] at a munch party, ran the bot on #bodyart, and then gave it all up. I don't look like a freak, but there is a reason people call me Gonzo in real life, i'm told anyway.
Circus Freaks (Score:2)
I'm sorry. What I meant to say was 'please excuse me.'
what came out of my mouth was 'Move or I'll kill you!'
Re:Things I'de rather do than run Windows. . . (Score:2)
I'm so excited! Now we can have a "Balrog Wings" thread just like on rec.arts.books.tolkien [arts.books.tolkien]!!
I guess the question is whether this guy should get prosthetic wings next or not.
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
Re:LAME! (Score:1)
Dont forget The Enigma... (Score:1)
also do a Google search on
The Enigma Horns
You'll find lots of links to the Jim Rose Circus.
The Bindlestiff Family cirKus is also quite unique.
The Neuromancer Cometh (Score:1)
Is it just me? Let's look at recent events:
But maybe it's just me.
Re:Is it just me... (Score:2)
Re:Intolerance (Score:2)
All that I ask is that if you call me or anybody else "sick" because we've got tattoos, piercings or other mods you provide some argument for your accusation. It doesn't bother me that you're un-modded. Don't let my body bother you.
/peter
Re:closemindedness and the body eclectic (Score:1)
I'm not sure I understand the original problem then... I thought you had said that you were upset that employers didn't take a liking to people with piercings, tattoos, etc.?
In the case of coworkers who don't like your style... well that's their problem. Personally I haven't run into an employer who sides with certain employees and not others; usually they say "deal with it."
people who then read the
Okay I think I see where you're coming from... Lemme know if this is right: "Slasdot reader reads about FBI targetting gamers, trenchcoat wearers and nerds. 'That's not fair; I'm not like that!' Same slashdot reader reads about body piercing, tattoos, and other forms of body modification. 'Hahahahahaha you FREAK god you guys must all be lunatics!'" -- this is what you're complaining about? If so I agree 100%. It's always easy to stereotype if you're not part of the group being stereotyped.
Re:I knew some RAB'ers were here (Score:1)
Anyway, I've also taken a road trip with him once from NY to Oklahoma to a show he was performing at and I'll tell you that while he attracted a lot of stares, people were polite to him and there were no incidents at all. I think that's because when you speak with him, you don't hear a 'freak'; you hear a very intelligent, rational and decent guy, which is exactly what he is, he just looks different from the norm.
I'll also have you know that as far as I know, his family is very supportive of him and he's not a product of an abusive or unhappy childhood. He has the strength to be his own person and make himself happy without hurting anyone and I'm sure his life will continue to be full of success. Judge all you want but it'll be your loss since Erik is one of the nicest and most interesting guys you can meet.
Re:I knew some RAB'ers were here (Score:1)
Course, I love Christine1130 [slashdot.org] so my response should also be taken in the same manner....
I'm so proud of you, posting to slashdot finally! heh
Re:Why not Nirva? (Score:2)
Re:Why not Nirva? (Score:1)
(Jim Rome=+5)
Dood...
he cut his tounge in fuckin half and the man shoved plastic pellets into his freakin skull.
What the hell else do you want to see today?
I want to go home with this guy to his parents house...
"Hey mom, yeah, i uh.. jammed plastic B-B's into my forehead.. oh and i used an argon LASER to cut my tounge in half."
Dood's chick and him at her parent's house on Christmas...
"Dad, here's my boyfriend errrr lizardfriend. He can lick two ice cream cones at the same time. He's really mature and makes a lot of money. Oh, and he's going to look like this in the wedding pictures"
These people should be allowed to be.. but fuck... what the hell is wrong with you that you have to cram gear INTO your forehead?
What bed do you fall off on the wrong side of and say "Hey, i want to look like the BIGGEST MORON that has EVER LIVED. Now how can i best accomplish that? I know, i'll get a LAZER and a EXACTO knife, and some plastic parts from that airplane kit, and make myself look like i'm a lizard."
I don't know.. but maybe a small nuclear war wouldn't be such a bad idea after all.
Re:pictures (Score:1)
This is only "newsworthy" until a certain age (Score:1)
Hemos needs more rest (Score:3)
Nothing against the lizard man. More power to him. He's looking pretty good in the most recent pics, but come ON!
I guess I won't even bother with Reverend Alexander Cornswalled's essay on how Pokemon is from the Devil..... [50megs.com]
Pictures here! (Score:1)
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Re:Things I'de rather do than run Windows. . . (Score:1)
I saw this guy on TV! (Score:1)
What about when he's 45? (Score:1)
I mean, who would hire this guy to do anything? Who would want to patronize his business? What if he changes his philosophy in the future, something which tends to happen to most people during the course of their lives? I suppose this future establishes the tenuousness of the link between academic excellence and wisdom.
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
this is art (Score:1)
Art is not all "happy trees" and weird shapes on paper. Art is for the reaction or feelings that you evoke from people who look at (or hear) your art. You may not even be trying to get a "GOOD" reaction, but rather a reaction of disgust or hate. Notice that everyone has some sort of reaction when they look at Eric's body alterations.
I once saw an art performance where the artist was trying to make a statement about breast cancer. She had a display with photos of all kinds of breasts. She herself had had a masectomy (result of breast cancer), and in the performance, she did a cultural sort of dance, topless, along with another woman who hadn't had a masectomy. There was an initial reaction of suprise at first, because no one really knew what a masectomy looked like, but after the first initial "shock", the general consensus was that we were happy that we hadn't had breast cancer, happy that she survived, and she is still a real person even without her breasts.
I think that this is a similar thing that Eric is trying to evoke from the people who see him. It's "shocking" art, not the beautiful landscape Bob Ross stuff that all of you expect to see when you hear the word "art".
Albany... (Score:1)
Re:Human Lizard (Score:1)
Re:Some Pictures of the guy (Score:1)
But why is this on slashdot??
flame bait or not... (Score:1)
Dude, look at the rest of the page, he does! (Score:1)
Jeff
Re:closemindedness and the body eclectic (Score:1)
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
Re:Intolerance (Score:1)
Alright fine. I never said anything about ear piercings in a mall or any of the other BS you extrapolated from who-knows-where.
You don't know anything about me. Admittedly my comment was rather short and wouldn't give you a chance to learn more about me, but the fact is it was YOU who jumped to conclusions.
My comment was intended as a short, simple, gut reaction to the story and pictures. If his intention is to be different from everyone else, and to shock those who see him, well he certainly accomplished that. With me anyway, I was definitely shocked...
As for piercings, tatoos, cosmetic surgery, etc: none that sort of self mutilation interests me at all. I've never had an earing, tatoo or anything else. I'm not saying there ought to be a law or anything, just that it is un-attactive to me.
I AM NOT being intolerant, I am merely expressing my opinion. If others want to do that stuff to themselves so be it. There should be nothing to stop them from doing whatever they want to themselves, and there should be nothing stopping me from saying I think they are crazy for doing it and I think their appearance distasteful.
I'm sure all these folks who do this are real nice people, articulate, intelligent, and all that. In response to this story on
And I guess I'm in the wrong for being all hung up on this too.
Finally:
Eric's part of a vanguard of pre-cyborgs
WHAT!?! You gotta be kidding me. What a load of horse shit.
Re:The incredible Lizardman! (Score:1)
Re:The Neuromancer Cometh (Score:1)
Finally, someone who actually gets why I thought the story might interest folks on /.!
This guy, and everyone else out there like him are slowly changing society; when the functional implants finally get here, they'll be met with less resistance in part because of folks like this who have pushed back society's boundaries of what's "normal" and what's accepted.
Aspects of Gibson's world are on their way, and guys like this are pioneering the change. For better or worse.
-- WhiskeyJack
Eeeeewwwwwhhhhhh (Score:1)
Re:Body mods (Score:1)
Related story... (Score:1)
Here's the link. [freeq.com]
too bad it was a hoax.
Freak. (nt) (Score:1)
Re:LAME! (Score:1)
is he stupid (Score:1)
For those interested in more... (Score:2)
Body Modification E-Zine [freeq.com], at www.bme.freeq.com, is dedicated to this.
A warning before you look, however - it's not a place for the squeamish. There is some really odd stuff, especially in the extreme section.
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Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
Re:Surgically Forked Tongue...hmmmmm (Score:1)
Lizardman and others who do things like that are repulsively fascinating.
Some Pictures of the guy (Score:4)
Article in Time bout this guy(and others like him) (Score:1)
Things I'de rather do than run Windows. . . (Score:1)
2) forehead ridged with implants
3) breath fire
4) lift car batteries with chains running through his nipples.
bring it, ok? fine! it's all good,
just no more BSOD
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"Amago" (Score:2)
closemindedness and the body eclectic (Score:1)
Agreed. Lame (Score:1)
And anyone who goes around calling himself "Satan" is just screaming "wannabe somebody." What a joke. Poseur.
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
But now, you discriminate someone, just for being other than you are. In german, we call that "Doppelmoral". I don't know if you can say that in english, double-moral.
Everyone's free to modificate his body the way one likes. Plastic surgery is just the same.
On the other hand, I'm already frightened, when I need to get a haircut. =:-)
CU, Ventilator
d'oh (Score:1)
Hey... (Score:1)
I didn't know he made CNN though. Do you have a link to the story?
Re:Pictures from my meeting with him this summer (Score:1)
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Re:Slashdot - News for hits, Cash for founders (Score:1)
Re:closemindedness and the body eclectic (Score:1)
It's called marketability and employability. Businesses are intolerant of people who are so different because (at least for me) employees represent the company. I deal with customers on a regular basis, and I'm in Research and Development, nowhere near sales. If the customer/client is gonna gawk at you and distract from the sale, the company is gonna shun you. That's why the suits are the thing.
Just the same as why businesses don't allow you to swear and flip out. It's all part of ettiquitte, probably spelled wrong.
Personally I think all this massive tattooing/piercing/modding is rather silly, but hey, it's your body.
Academics... (Score:2)
Sure... although he does have a tendency to fall asleep if his desk is too far from the window...
He doesn't even look like a lizard (Score:2)
Re:He has a homepage (Score:2)
Re:Intolerance (Score:2)
So what makes this just SO wrong? Because Eric doesn't look like you? Because he doesn't fit one of your preconceptions about what people are supposed to look like? Is all cosmetic surgery wrong, or just surgery which doesn't make you look more "normal"? What makes the ear piercings done by some untrained, unsanitary teenager in a mall with a reusable(!) piercing gun less wrong than Eric's large gage tunnels?
Eric's part of a vanguard of pre-cyborgs who have taken control of their own bodies and aren't constrained by the feeble bodies evolution has given us. Admittedly the mods are mostly cosmetic at this point, but, at least in my opinion, it's one of the first steps to a bionic body.
Lizard? (Score:2)
-Chris