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## Amiga Growing Silent Again?126

Dr. Mabusa writes "Seems like Amiga is starting a new period of silence. The executive update section of their site, where Amiga president Jim Collas used to pledge "openness to the community" until recently, has been shut down "for the next several months". " The rumor is pretty impressive: A Transmeta CPU, a Linux Kernel, released by Amiga within the next 2 months.
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## Amiga Growing Silent Again?

• #### Weelky Amiga Vapor Quota Reached! (Score:1)

Wow, this one came in just under the buzzer. We're cutting it awfully close these days. Something must be up! (New poll idea: Does anyone give a rat's furry ass about the Amiga at this point?)

- A.P.
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• #### Amiga/Transmeta/Linux (Score:1)

I am not holding my breath; but if it does happen it could be spectacular... those patents make interesting reading; and a Linux optimized to the "native" instruction set of a Transmeta CPU would be something to behold.

I used to be a big Amiga supporter; but after Commodore-Amiga went under (which was no surprise, they did not market the product properly) I thought it was "game over" for the Amiga.

I would be delighted if Gateway/Amiga proved me wrong. Besides, I'd love to play with a Transmeta based Linux box!

• #### Re:Get a clue! WAS Re:Amiga can *never* die (Score:1)

Why would Apple even WANT Linux?

Because any company using Linux is on a free media ride.

NeXTSTEP is *SO* Sexy to inspire GNUStep. (where is the Amiga OS clone?)

GNUStep is a window manager, not an OS clone. Here's an Amiga window manager for Linux:

http://www.lysator.liu.se/~marcus/amiwm .html [lysator.liu.se]

TedC

• #### Re:Get a clue! WAS Re:Amiga can *never* die (Score:1)

Perhaps you were thinking of either of the NeXT/OpenSTEP inspired window managers, Window Maker and Afterstep.

Yes, you are correct; I was confusing GNUStep with Window Maker. GNUStep does sound interesting.

TedC

• #### It's a feature! (Score:1)

For example, having to type the path (or at the very least a ./) to run a program that's in the current directory you're in if it's not specified in the path.

This is a feature! :-)

There's less chance of unknowingly running a "trojan horse" program if you have to specify the absolute path to an executable file.

TedC

• #### Transmeta video (Score:1)

Where do I get this video? I'd like to see it.

There's an image of the Transmeta frame posted at AmigaNation.

I tried to download the video itself a couple of times, but it was corrupted and wouldn't play.

TedC

• #### Revisionist History (Score:1)

Hobbiests started coding on them because they were open and a bit of fun but they were NEVER ahead of their time and they were NEVER real computers.

Sorry QuantumG, but this is unfounded bullsh*t.

Back in 1985 the A1000 had a multitasking OS, 12-bit graphics, and 4 channel sound. During the same time period, the IBM AT was getting by with MS-DOS, 4-bit graphics, and a speaker that went "beep". The 1985 Mac was still monochrome only.

TedC

• #### YAWN! (Score:1)

Wake me up when Transmeta/Amiga/whatever become REAL product instead of pure PR vapor! OK?

Jón
• #### The Amiga is dead (Score:1)

Any semblance between this new machine and the Amiga is in name only.

It's time to move on...
• #### Re:Enough with the Amiga-Linux connection (Score:1)

It was stated on the Amiga, Inc. page that they decided to go with Linux as a base to their OS. It isn't just a rumour.
• #### Re:Big Deal! (Score:1)

| In my opinion they multitask better than a
| Linux box with equivalent hardware specs

... of course, since nobody these days has a 7 MHz 68000 with 512K of RAM (base A500), that doesn't really matter. The typical Linux box is also *doing* a lot more, and will crash a lot less than a typical Amiga.

It's an apples/oranges comparison anyway, and don't get me started on how expensive Amiga upgrades such as the PPC boards you mention are. :)

| For example, having to type the path (or at the
| very least a ./) to run a program that's in the
| current directory you're in if it's not
| specified in the path.

Oh geez ... that's the SHELL. Not "Linux". And quite frankly, the Amiga's default shell is rather pathetic all the way up to AmigaOS 3.1. One of the first things an Amiga power user typically does is to install a replacement!

| the idea of having one big gigantic tree
| structure instead of seperate volumes seems
| like real backward thinking to me

... er, why are "separate volumes" an advantage? So programs can break when you change your HD configuration? :)
• #### Don't forget Handspring and the Freemasons (Score:1)

See, the new Amiga's going to be a handheld designed by super-secret startup Handspring, running multiple versions of Linux on a Transmeta CPU emulating an Athlon, an Alpha, a StrongARM, a G4 PPC, a 68060 and a MIPS simultaneously.

But seriously. Gateway is funding this new Amiga project, so the idea of them shipping a series of low-power handhelds, tablets, set-top boxes and whatnot running a locked-down, embedded Linux kernel with custom GUIs and a suite of net-centric apps is certainly possible, and clearly has nothing to do with "classic" Amigas apart perhaps from a few nifty ideas for the A/V subsystem.

Isn't the Amiga name a liability? Shouldn't they just use the patents they want and come up with a name that isn't so synonymous with (a) market failure and (b) a community of babbling loons? Amigas were swell 12-15 years ago.
• #### And a and a and a and a and a and a and a... (Score:1)

And a bottle of whisky that fills itself up whenever you drink from it.
Two. Two bottles of whisky that fill themselves up when you drink from it.
And quantum calculations.
All writen in rebol.
With three bottles of whisky that fill themselves up whenever you drink from them.
And the java environment from the alien ships in independence day that run java-based viruses.
And four bottles of whisky that fill themselves up whenever you drink from them.
And a PAL Video Toaster (tm) with a picture of Kiki Stockhammer that automagically changes Successful Product Background Image every two years.
And sixteen bottles of whisky that fill themselves up whenever you drink from them.
And a mouse you operate with your knee.
And it's available in infraredredorangeyellowgreenblueindigovioletultrav iolet colour schemes.
And I had one before you. I had one when I was In My Mother's Womb. I had one Before I Was In My Mother's Womb.
And it's Atari Lynx compatible as the graphics use a superset of the same chipset.
(or substitute similar Amiga(=||!=)Mac-owner style whines as feel fit).
• #### Re:Unix is dead. (Score:1)

His argument was sarcastic. Just thought I'd let you know that.
• #### Re:Oh please.. You never used one then. (Score:1)

The Amiga 600 was a scaled down, emasculated excuse for an Amiga. No numeric keypad, no AGA chipset, no PCMCIA expansion slots, bleah.

Amiga snobs think of the 600 as being closer to a CALCULATOR than a real 'miggy.

• #### Re:Oh please.. You never used one then. (Score:1)

You are correct sir.

I stand erected.

• #### Re:It's a feature! (Score:1)

That might be true in some cases but for 90 % of users is simply another obstacle ...
• #### Re:Get a clue! WAS Re:Amiga can *never* die (Score:1)

GNUstep is an API, not a window manager. From the www.gnustep.org home page:

GNUstep is an attempt to provide an Object-Oriented application development framework and tool set for use on a wide variety of computer platforms. GNUstep is based on the original OpenStep specification provided by NeXT, Inc. (now Apple).

Perhaps you were thinking of either of the NeXT/OpenSTEP inspired window managers, Window Maker and Afterstep.
• #### Re:It's a feature! (Score:1)

Then put . in your PATH.
• #### Re:Big Deal! (Score:1)

What does Perl have to do with linux? A scripting language is a scripting language, they're really only as powerful as the system commands they can use and how many more lines it takes you to do the same process. In case you didn't realize, case sensitive commands draw from case sensitive file structure. Your most often used commands are in lower case anyways, why are you complaining? Edit your shell if you're that unhappy with uppercase letters.
• #### liveing with HYPE (Score:1)

HYPE you cant live with out it you cant work with it !

they have shut down their hype machine but the office is still lit up @ night

people also arive and LEAVE 9to5

this is a good thing they are working and you cant work and answer emails all day long

they need some space

they need to actualy think how its sposed to BE

I want one of their mock ups for my front room just to look at !

john jones

a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
• #### Let me spell it out... (Score:1)

THE AMIGA IS DEAD! Get over it.
• #### Re:Enough with the Amiga-Linux connection (Score:1)

Duh.. there's like 30 embedded processors in every BMW.
• #### Re:Oh please.. You never used one then. (Score:1)

As you see in other posts.. I had an Amiga 600.. and I beleive mac's were kickin' the gui style at around the same point, but I'm willing to concede the multimedia point.
• #### Re:ur stupid and lame and clueless (Score:1)

Yep.. that's the knee jerk reaction I was looking for.. thanks AC.
• #### Re:QuantumG (Score:1)

Yer.. the "self rightous" part is pretty inciteful. This post wasn't about me not liking amigas.. this was post was about me not liking the desperate grab at news.. "oh.. looks like someone did 'touch index.html' on the amiga page.. better report it on slashdot because that appeals to 2 major groups, linux freaks and Amiga freaks". Surely everyone has to agree that this was a complete non-story. Can you at least conceed that?
• #### Re:Transmeta CPU? (Score:1)

So like, when transmeta releases a product does Linus' visa run out? :)
• #### Re:Amiga and Transmeta and Walt Disney (Score:1)

No, I think you have something there with the hall of presidents..
• #### Re:Amiga and Transmeta (Score:1)

Yep.. Except that wasn't a Transmeta logo.. it was a smudge on the film and "we're workin' on something, really" was good enough to extend Linus' visa.
• #### Amiga's were a lame attempt at a real computer (Score:1)

Blah.. Commodore made HOME computers to be used by HOME users and programmed by BIG companies. Hobbiests started coding on them because they were open and a bit of fun but they were NEVER ahead of their time and they were NEVER real computers. What's more, they PATENTED all of their chips and designs making it ILLEGAL for anyone else to make amigas. This is worse than keeping the design secret because they said "here is exactly how all our parts work and here is where you can buy the replacements but don't even think about making your own amiga".. or designing a better one for that matter. I honestly compare this behaviour with Apple who still to this day have "registed service centers" that charge through the nose. Apple is a company based on FUD and ignorance and so was Commodore. By targeting the HOME user and discouraging independant developers (ala Nintendo) they bred a market that was hopelessly devoted to a lost cause. Crappy games machines.
• #### Re:Yeah, but where is the cryogenic chamber (Score:1)

walt disney was cremated, silly...

and if you are waiting for the corporate whore to take us seriously, like you say, 'dont hold your breath' :)
• #### ./ == Big Deal (Score:1)

That annoyed me too, at first, but simply adding ./ to the PATH envirionment at startup made that headache go away fast.
• #### Re:Amiga and Transmeta and Walt Disney (Score:1)

It started out when Walt Disney first constructed Disneyworld. It was at that moment the Amiga/Transmeta deal was formed because it was necessary to ensure the secrecy of the truth that the Hall of Presidents at Disneyland conatins the true leaders of the world. Also, Ameritech and TCI Cable are involved in this shadowy games. Torvalds is merely a pawn in their elaborate plan. I'm not paranoid, they are just all out to get me.
• #### Very bad marketing... (Score:1)

Now, this is very, very bad marketing. In this situation, when the new product is planned to be published in few months, the company should do everything to make people interested in their products.

For me, this silence just tells that something has gone very badly wrong and the company is currently trying to figure out how to not to lose their face.
• #### Amiga silence (Score:1)

Well lets see, what else has happened recently? They "released" AmigaOS3.5, some company called IWin is making unbelievable claims about their new Amiga compatible, while makers of PPC cards are making a push for QNX on the Amiga.

Maybe there is a much bigger demand for 3.5 than they thought, maybe the IWin thing is for real, maybe QNX-PPC on existing Amigas is looking to be a real threat... maybe they realized the Linux choice was a big mistake in the eyes of the Amiga community?
• #### Amiga Community rules the rumor market. (Score:1)

I swear to God, out of all the communities on the net, there is none that can create and support rumors quite like the Amiga community.

How anyone can believe a bit of this is beyond me. When they actually produce silicon that can sit in a pile of packaging on a store shelf, get excited. Otherwise, just lump it in with the other BS we've been hearing for years now. My personal Amiga compost heap could fertilize the Gobi for growing corn.
• #### Re:Amiga and Transmeta (Score:1)

It started sometime last year, when Amiga Inc announced a mystery "Multimedia Chip" (MMC), that would power their new-fangle PC.
VERY reliable insiders said "It's amazing, never seen any performance like this.... but I can't say what it is."
The then CEO - Jeff Schindler, said "we can't announce our CPU partner yet, but believe us, it's revolutionary".
At this point, the "Amiga Community"(tm) went speculation mad (as usual), and several names, including TransMeta's were bandied around.
More recently, the hype got going again, because AInc were hiring, and talking about MIPS engineers, and links to ATI, etc. People started to suggest Transmeta again, and it started to become widespread.
When the Linux choice was announced, people put 2+2 together, and got Transmeta (again).
At the recent World of Amiga show, the video showed the Transmeta Logo (along with Sun's logo, ATI's logo, Corel's logo etc.) Amigans took this to mean that this was the chip choice.

BUT... remember - this has NEVER been officially announced or even hinted at in any statement by AInc. The Transmeta logo may have been used in the Linux->Linus->Transmeta context to represent their choice of Linux for the Kernel base.

That's the story.... it could just as easily turn out to be the Sun MAJC chip [sun.com]...

• #### Amiga BeOS connnection? (Score:1)

I can't find the article but didn't the Prez of Amiga post a note two months ago stating that they had decided to go with BeOS because Be had the Amiga UI built in? Anyone remember that German MacOS Clone Vaporware last year...what was it...COS?
• #### Re:Big Deal! (Score:1)

I'm not negating Amiga's positive's... Back in the day, It was the kick ass - more for less. A color Screen!! Key words there is back in the day. Sure it can be upgraded etc, but considering there has'nt been a core product line in years, I question the ability of that company.(albeit owned by Gateway now - a good thing!). Why did the productline die? Apart froma few true beleivers, there's nothing more than a carcass left of that company. How can they have the momentum to bring the "Transmeta" CPU to the spotlight and do it justice?
• #### Re:Big Deal! (Score:1)

Hmmm - Acording to Amiga... This is their fastest(off the shelf) [amiga.com]
• #### Re:Unix is dead. (Score:1)

the necromancer who is animating the corpse
is doing a damn fine job"
-- .sig stolen from ASR
• #### Re:Big Deal! (Score:1)

Competition is always a good thing. Besides,
it's always great to root for the underdog,
even if he's a "carcass", isn't it?

Bob
• #### Re:Why should we give a... (Score:1)

The Amiga does not suffer from the Y2K problem,
but it will have some date problems in later
years. http://www.amiga.com for details on Y2K
& Amiga.

And Amiga has one excellent newsreader to make it
an ideal usenet computer.
• #### Re:gateway amiga and linux? (Score:1)

call me ignorant, but i haven't seen an amiga for 6 years. how much can they boost the market?
• #### Re:Unix is dead. (Score:1)

your argument is really pathetic. just thought i'd let you know that. :)
• #### Something doesn't smell right here... (Score:2)

If they really are going to release a product, wouldn't it make sense to be ratcheting *up* the hype right about now, not clamming up?

This makes me suspect that there is no actual Amiga product, after all, at least not in the forseeable future.

--

• #### Hmm. Somethings wrong... (Score:2)

If they knew they would produce something in two months they would be shifting their publicity machine into overdrive.

The fact that they're not saying anything indicates that they're not sure what's going to happen and want to keep their mouths shut until they have something coherent to say.

It could be Gateway is shutting them down or forcing a change in direction. Or maybe they're looking for capital. Or maybe they're being sued for dropping QNX. It could be lots of things, but it's bound to be bad.

• #### Re:Linus' US employment status. (Score:2)

He could have been given honorary dual citizenship, in return for installing Linux on the immigration office's network. :)

Either that, or the DOJ told the people handling Linus' case that they had 30 seconds to give him his card, or the entire American economy would collapse.

• #### Re:Amiga and Transmeta (Score:2)

When amiga showed a demo movie at some big show, they also had a part where they showed all the logo's of all the companies that are helping to build parts of the new amiga systems. One of these logo's was Transmeta's ... this video was available online as wel, and is thus a good source. It did not describe the role however that transmeta would play in the new amiga machine. But since transmeta's current patents all relate to CPU's, it is a very educated estimate, but a estimate non the less.

-- Chris Chabot
"I dont suffer from insanity, i enjoy every minute of it!"
• #### Re:Enough with the Amiga-Linux connection (Score:2)

I think Amiga has enough of a history with the nerds of the world to justify being mentioned run as a topic on Slashdot. I never had one, but I knew I know more Nerds who did then who didn't.

Yes, there is a measure of pitiful in these attempts to resurect it, but we should at least feign interest - if not otherwise then out of respect.

And consider, if the best case scenario does happen, this good be a Very Good Thing (tm).

btw, I don't believe there are computers at all in most BMWs. German cars are still centered around solid engineering.

-
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
• #### Transmeta CPU? (Score:2)

Is it just me, or does this seem unlikely? I know, I know, if it does happen you'll all be thinking "We told you so," but Transmeta seems to thrive on mystery... if they actually released a product, their popularity (such as it is) could disappear. I'm not saying it will, but where they've been keeping whatever it is they're doing a secret for so long, could it be too little, too late? Just a thought.
• #### Big Deal! (Score:2)

I mean really,

Amiga? The Toy right? Not to bruise anyone's ego (I am a former Amiga and Atari ST owner), but let's see - a company whos'e fastes product claims to be a 60840 @ 50 Mhz? They've been out of it for a while.... Let's face it, Transmeta would be bett'n the farm (pigs and all) if they expect Amiga to launch them into the next millenium...
• #### Amiga can *never* die (Score:3)

on Saturday August 28, 1999 @12:06PM (#1719964)

My answer is: if a machine and it's users can continue a market for Amiga, without a functional parent company (the fastest Amiga is as fast as whatever PowerPC chip you care to mention), and people like the doubters still have to ask that question 5 years after Commodore fell, you know that there is something about Amiga that will never let it die.

It had *principle*. Jay Miner did it right first time around - the linux kernel this time will make Amiga no longer conceivbale as a toy by the uninitiated (it is far beyond toy OSs like Windows and Macs, but lags behind the *nix's). CPU is irrelevant - as are the latest fastest graphics cards with xxxmillion polys/sec.

It will undoubedly have impressive hardware - be it the MIPS+ATI graphics core, the Transmeta or PPC CPU. All these things are readily available. What makes Amiga live on is not the original hardware or software, but the vision of design.

WIndows and Macs are dying for the underlying power of linux. But they lack robust design. Linux has the power, but as Torvalds has indirectly said on many occations, due to it's development implementation, it never *had* a design.

Amiga combines it all - and adds the special sauce that makes it Amiga. :)

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