Internet Broadcasting Makes A Comeback 121
Mark Leaman writes "About six years ago I founded an internet broadcasting company called GT2K (Gametalk 2000) which featured Real Audio based radio shows on gaming in all its incarnations (table top, strategy, computer...). During the dot.com "plague years" we saw hordes of internet broadcasting companies belly up. But now internet broadcasting is making a comeback thanks to Podcasting. Although Podcasting isn't new news Yahoo has some nice coverage on the re-emergence of the medium."
NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:5, Insightful)
BTW... it shows just how entrenched the iPod is when a distribution method based on RSS 2 and MP3 is called PODcasting.
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:5, Insightful)
Web Logging and Podcasting are the ultimate in ego masturbation. People can now fill their pointless lives with other people pointless lives. I'm not sure if this is the Internet analogue of the rise in reality TV or if some deeper societal shift has led to both Web Logging and reality TV equaly.
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:1)
yes, it is open to morons... but so fucking what...maybe people listen because they make fun of the losers.
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:2, Funny)
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are peoples lives so empty and devoid of meaning these days that they'll attempt to fill it with someone elses empty and devoid rambling on their own empty and devoid lives?
Soap operas, tabloids, entertainment "news"... there's a lot of crap that's worse and has been around for decades. Besides which, at no time in history has civilisation been so capable of recording the minutia of everyday lives, which historians will appreciate in the future. Archaeologists struggle to reconstruct information about t
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:2)
Sounds like Reality TV.
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:3, Insightful)
I dunno, do people spend hours of every day listening to Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, and a slough of other empty gasbags on talk radio?
The only difference I see here is one of scale.
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:2)
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:2, Interesting)
Podcasting More than Ego Masturbation (Score:1)
That's insightful?
Most Slashdot posting is ego masturbation, too, but there's room for lots of voices, so there's usually something interesting to read, too!
There are many interesting podcasts, and a lot of garbage, too. People interested in new technology should check them out and make up their own minds.
Here's some good places to start:
Podcast Directory [podcastingnews.com] or
PodcastAlley [podcastalley.com]
The lack of commercials alone was enough to get me interes
Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:2)
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Link to NPR's coverage of Podcasting (Score:1, Informative)
"NPR's Robert Smith reports on the rise of "podcasts" -- amateur music and talk shows created by the users of Apple's popular iPod personal music devices and other digital music players. Whole "shows" of music and talk can be downloaded from the Internet to individual players automatically, and some of the show hosts have become celebrities among the burgeoning podcast audience."
Not "Broadcasting" (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not "Broadcasting" (on-demand) (Score:4, Interesting)
Personally, I'm more into "on-demand" playback rather than "broadcast" -- that's why I built Andromeda [turnstyle.com] -- it turns your folders and files of MP3s (OGGs too) into a complete browsable/streaming site (needs PHP or ASP)...
Re:Not "Broadcasting" (on-demand) (Score:2)
I am a freelance web developer who is currently in the employ of a production music studio who is looking to get their library online. We have decided on a CMS solution and have been going through the process of deciding how to handle the library itself. I was going to code up something from scratch, but Andromeda seems to be everything we will need! You will be hearing from us shortly regarding licencing!
For once, slacking off on slashdot has actually had a positive effe
wolfFM.com (Score:5, Interesting)
Wierd, I listen to wolfFM.com [wolffm.com] and local talk radio over the internet everyday. Have done so for years.
Sam
Re:wolfFM.com (Score:5, Informative)
I know it took WABC radio offline for several months, and various other stations as well. Some took to playing "dead air" on the stream while live-read commercials were playing.
There have been non-traditional broadcasters all along, including Digitally Imported, Wolf FM, Radio Paradise, etc, which have been rather continuous for years, but the flurry of "ooh, I can run Shoutcast" broadcasters which popped up running 24kbps streams seems to have hit a low maybe 18 months ago and is again on the rise. This might be coincident with rises in upstream and the relative cheapness of dedicated servers with truckloads of bandwidth included.
Re:wolfFM.com (Score:2)
I've met Steve Wolf. He is an interesting man, and also, he's completely hilarious.
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Radio Paradise too (Score:1)
Their 128 k MP3 feed [radioparadise.com] is quality enough to pump through a home stereo system.
That is... if you like the music.
Re:Radio Paradise too (Score:2)
leo laport (Score:1)
Fuck G-fuck/bletch tv
hardly broadcasting (Score:2, Informative)
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what next? saving images to your iPod Photo will be labeled Photocasting?
You mean like this [textamerica.com] stuff? Actually, you may be onto something- adding moblog photos to podcasting sounds like the next step.
Re:hardly broadcasting (Score:1)
It's sitting in one place and everybody has to go there to get it.
The RSS feed tells the clients program that there's a new file to download and then it downloads it.
It's like being a paper delivery boy and calling each customer in the morning telling them to stop by and pick up the paper.
we are not amused (Score:1, Funny)
how could someone geeky enough to broadcast table top games use real audio?
WFMU Podcasts (Score:4, Informative)
http://podcast.wfmu.org/ [wfmu.org]
They offer two shows of old 78s which are public domain as well as two other amazing shows (Advanced D & D with Donna Summer.... breakcore / random bedroom electronics and Downtown Soulville which is pure funk 45s from the 60s / early 70s and is extremely addictive. Especially of interest if you like stuff like Peanut Butter Wolf's Funky 16 corners comp from a few years back).
As for npr podcasting you can get on media as a podcast at http://onthemedia.org [onthemedia.org]
Re:WFMU Podcasts (Score:1)
http://podcast.wfmu.org/ [wfmu.org]
WFMU has ten separate podcasts:
Audio Kitchen with The Professor [NEW]
Antique Phonograph Music Program
Aerial View with Chris T.
Dave Emory [NEW]
Jonesville Station
Seven Second Delay with Ken and Andy
The Speakeasy with Dorian
Advanced D & D with Donna Summer
Downtown Soulville with Mr. Fine Wine [NEW]
Thomas Edison'
P2P Streaming (Score:5, Interesting)
If any technology or trend is responsible for the rebirth of web broadcasting, it is undoubtedly P2P Streaming (like PeerCast.org).
I can't figure out why p2p streaming isn't getting more hype than it is. I downloaded my first P2P streaming client about a month ago, and was pretty amazed at both the quality and the possibilities.
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Re:P2P Streaming (Score:3, Interesting)
1. There aren't that many P2P streaming stations.
and
2. Streaming is overrated.
Seriously, the main reason streaming exists is so that the content provider can force you to watch/hear commercials and make it harder to watch/listen to the same 'cast twice.
I think if we could timeshift every piece of media we watch at will, timeshifting will be the rule rather than the exception. After all, why the hell should we adjust our life to the schedule of a broadcaster?
PodCasting/streamripping/TiVo
Re:P2P Streaming (Score:3, Interesting)
First off, you're taking streaming to mean sequential songs or shows, whereas streaming simply means "you watch as you download" (typically with a slight buffer).
P2P streaming essentially offers video-on-demand (or audio on demand) while skirting bandwidth related expenses.
Secondly -- with regards to timeshifting being better than a broadcast (not that timeshifting doesn't rule) I'd have to say that I'd rather listen to a commercial free audio broadcast tha
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Well.. if upload bandwidth is the only thing keeping p2pstreaming technology (which is essentially free video-on-demand) from being mainstream, I'd have to say its only a matter of time...
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Lost revenue (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps this is part of the declining TV viewership companies have begun to bemoan, blaming yet again the revenue-robbing Internet.
Re:Lost revenue (Score:2)
But wait, if no one anywhere were listening or watching commercials you wouldn't be getting that free content.
And if big business hadn't started pouring money into the internet, that reasonably priced broadband connection you enjoy wouldn't exist. Oh and most likely neither would your ipod. Tivo either for that matter.
Amazing what you realize when you use your head to think about something.
Re:Lost revenue (Score:2)
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The cost of bandwidth would not have, and would not continue to drop without commercial business.
It's not difficult to understand, you people just don't want to think.
Soma FM wouldn't even be possible without low cost internet access. It's highly unlikely you were even around before businesses had a presence on the net. Guess what junior. There was none of this stuff then, even getting a decent connection was a pain.
All of these free services, the f
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Does anyone have time for commercials anymore? I don't. Tivo TV, burn radio streams to my iPod, and skip thru the commercials. Number of commercials I have to listen to nowadays: zero. Good friggin riddance.
Citizen 819735 please report immediately to Consumer Re-education Camp Bravo for an adjustment to your consumption motivation index.
Question. (Score:3, Insightful)
If that is the case, then I'd say that many stations have been doing this for a long time. Nothing new...save for the iPOD.
Re:Question. (Score:2)
makes it very convenient.
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Incorrect (Score:1)
A podcast is a RSS feed with enclosures linking to the show. You use an aggregator to subscribe to the shows. The aggregator will automagically download the shows you subscribe to your harddrive. The aggregator will also automaticaly copy the shows over to your mp3 player (assuming you have one).
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Interesting.. (Score:2)
Nothing would stop podcasting from riding on top of p2p type networks, so thats not really the issue here.
I think the issue goes back DRM - who owns what, and who can listen to what. I think the last thing podcasters would want happening is having someone replay content for public consumption without licensing such content.
I know when i would produce a radio show i wouldn't care.. not in it for
Re:Interesting.. (Score:2)
Re:Interesting.. (Score:4, Informative)
But that's the smart part about Podcasting that most people in this comments thread is missing -- it's more than just recording an MP3 and posting it on a website. The Podcasting program is a huge part of this -- a central program used to automate downloads and transfer of the files from the web to your local machine or iPod or iRiver or what have you.
It takes all the work out of checking a dozen web sites looking for things. It's an RSS Aggregator with attachments. I'm somewhat afraid that point is getting lost in this whole conversation.
Re:Interesting.. (Score:1)
exactly... (Score:1)
podcasting can be done through web/rss/p2p or even pvr type functionality that you schedule on your own.
My point is without having a subscriber base and decentralized podcasting units particular to each vendor there is no way to validate and enforce content integrity of your podcasted works unless there is a DRM and or other types
Re:Interesting.. (Score:2)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rush+limba
Re:Interesting.. (Score:1)
christ... how fucking pathetic can a person be?
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Live365.com is legal netcasting (Score:2, Informative)
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Shoutcast? Anyone? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Shoutcast? Anyone? (Score:1)
Re:It's really the wrong term then isn't it (Score:1)
and since the iPod = MP3 player in popular culture it was called podcasting.
Re:It's really the wrong term then isn't it (Score:1)
ah yes, it is iPod.
Re:It's really the wrong term then isn't it (Score:2)
As in 'broadcast' - you're casting to the broad field.
Podcasting - casting to iPods.
online radio made me stop downloading mp3s (Score:5, Interesting)
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Also in the Chicago Tribune today (Score:3, Informative)
The story is here [chicagotribune.com] and may require registration.
Yahoo! and RIAA killed net.radio, not dot-bombs (Score:1, Interesting)
This had little to do with "dot com" ("dot.com" is redundant) failures. Internet broadcasting failed because Yahoo! bought out all the major net 'stations' to merge into its net.radio project - which it then killed itself through gross mismanagement once every competitor had been acquired. It still exists [yahoo.com], and it still sucks.
After this 'coincidence', the RIAA attacked every remaining net.broadcaster viciously; the
I hate to complain... but (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I hate to complain... but (Score:1)
Hahahahaha! *wipes tear from eye*
Narrowcasting it is. (Score:1, Interesting)
Also there is stuff from the BBC which I am unlikely to ever hear on this side of the Atlantic plus NPR stuff that isn't carried on my station.
Two of the mor
slapcast.com (Score:2)
Please move along, nothing to see here.
Clarification on what Podcasting is (Score:5, Informative)
From a "broadcaster's" perspective: you record a show to MP3, you make that available via some URL-accessible protocol (typically http or bittorrent), then you add an item to an RSS feed which includes that URL as an enclosure.
From a consumer's perspective: you run an application (e.g. iPodder). You give the application a set of RSS feeds. The application polls these feeds, and when it finds a new item that points to an enclosure, it downloads the media. What happens then is application-dependent, but what iPodder does is use the iTunes API to import the new media into the iTunes library.
Podcasting receiver applications like iPodder are meant to be "set up and forget". Once it's going, then assuming you dock your MP3 player every day or so, you are automagically going to find new content on your player whenever it becomes available. (I'm hoping that future versions will also automatically delete stale media).
For the consumer, this is better than streaming because:
- you can listen to it when you're disconnected from a network - e.g. on the bus, in the car
- skipping, rewinding etc. is easy
- being on a slow network (e.g. dialup) is not a problem
- timeshifting is inherent. The user experience is very like having a radio TiVo, except there is no option to listen to live programming.
Sure, it doesn't lend itself to live phone-ins, up-to-the-minute news bulletins, etc. -- but that's not what it's for.
For the producer, the costs scale very nicely, and if you go for bittorrent, you could distribute a very popular show very cheaply indeed.
So that's what it is. Here's what it is not:
Podcasting is not just for iPods. It's a shame the name implies it. This is because it was invented by Mac-heads. Fortunately they're standards-centric Mac-heads.
Podcasting is not just for no-budget audio equivalents of the personal blog or personal homepage. The BBC's trial of podcasting the excellent In Our Time series was by all accounts a great success.
The absence of DRM means it may be difficult for some material to get cleared for podcasting, which may dissuade professional broadcasters from podcasting in some cases.
The cheapness of podcasting means there's an awful lot of shovelware out there: like the middling days of mp3.com, when there was probably good, free music on there, but who was going to wade through the chaff and sort out the wheat?
A potential victory for the subscription model? (Score:2)
In other words, you could play whatever music you want in your podcast(well...music that was available via the subscription) with talking in between. The licensing features kick in so it's an end-run around the music webcasting licensing junk.
That may be a hole in the iPods armor.
Re:A potential victory for the subscription model? (Score:2)
Actually, scratch that....replace with the Janus enabled Napster service.
Nakes News (Score:2)
There are some good podcasts! (Score:1)
Shasradio, radio that listens to you. (Score:2, Interesting)
Shasradio was one of the original listener-driven internet radio stations. (No link since the domain no longer exists). Listeners rated songs either as they played or by browsing through the playlist database. For each block of 5 songs, the station chose 3 or 4 of the highest rated songs (based on the user ratings of whomever was *currently* listening), a request (if any), and 1 or 2 "no votes yet" songs (to keep it fresh).
I loved that station and felt re
Re:Shasradio, radio that listens to you. (Score:1)
Go and try Last FM [www.last.fm]. This one is even better: they team up with AudioScrobbler [audioscrobbler.com].
Basically works like this: they keep a play list of all the songs you play through their on-line station, or in your favorite MP3 player. They try to match your play list to other play lists that contain more or less the same songs, and stream that selection to you, so you end up with a stream of music you really like but which you may not know yet.
Works really well in a musical sense, and it is legal, but server wise it is a bu
How to podcast in 3 easy steps (Score:2)
http://www.howtopodcast.org [howtopodcast.org]
If I may plug my own site (Score:4, Informative)