GIMP 2.2 Released 577
wongn writes "Several weeks since the splash screen contest was first announced, the latest milestone release for GIMP has come about - GIMP 2.2.0 has just been officially released. Only the linux binaries and source have yet appeared. From the website: 'The GIMP developers are proud to announce the availability of version 2.2.0 of the GNU Image Manipulation Program. About nine months after version 2.0 hit the road, we have completed another development cycle and can bring a new stable GIMP to our users' desktops.'"
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I thought i was seeing things.
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I know, these jokes are getting old, and in reality it took only a few minutes to emerge gimp-2.0.
Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:4, Insightful)
A $650 price tag!
Seriously though, nobody is going to take The Gimp too seriously until it costs $650. High prices for software bring a placebo effect that simulates quality.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Insightful)
See http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html [cryptonomicon.com].
Seriously, do you think a perponderence of people even use the features that Photoshop has over Gimp? My department, for instance, bought two licenses for CS so that we could crop and size some photos, and do some very basic web graphics.
The boss turned down my suggestion, I think, because of the usual suspicion and fear that surrounds GNU software: "What? It can't be free. There must be some catch. It might even be illegal." The only downside that Gimp has is the annoyance of, "Oooh I don't like it the interface is all different" from my coworkers. But like they say, nobody ever got fired for buying (insert your favorite 800-lb gorilla corporation here).
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, the _preponderance_ uses the features not found in the GIMP. This is mostly due to the fact the preponderance of people using the GIMP are not entry level web weenies in need of a better crop tool. The PS native format PSD files are standard for AE, Print design, 3D imports and exports. I can edit my PSD and have live updates posting out to my media work.
Photoshop isn't just the 800lbs gorilla for web, it's the 800lbs gorilla work _all_ media work.
It integrates with just about anything an artist needs to work with. From Greg Martin, to SKG, Photoshop's utilization goes far beyond web work and is flexible enough to accommodate the movie industry, the print industry, advertising, multimedia and web.
Ask any artist, if he can only have two tools to do all his work: video, print, advertising, tv, dv, web... It will be Photoshop and After Effects, hands down.
The GIMP is very good at what it does, but don't go jumping out of your
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Informative)
Speed
CMYK support
Colour management
48bit colour
If you're working with images a lot, it's simply worth the money assuming your time is worth something.
I find the GIMP very handy and like it quite a bit, but IMO it's no Photoshop substitute.
Re:My Problem with the Gimp (Score:3, Insightful)
I have been using it for most of my image manipulation, but I often get frustrated, and here's why. Say you need to crop an image. You select the Crop tool, and click at the upper left corner of the cropped region, ready to drag a rectangle around the region of interest. Up pops a damn dialog that completely OBSCURES what you're doing! The same thing happens with the dropper tool. I was also reminded just yesterday that you cannot select more than one layer at time (say I want to move a group of objects), a
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Informative)
It runs on Linux, and it doesn't cost $650.
Adobe really is an 800 lb gorilla. Even their educational prices for Photoshop are $300. By comparison, Macromedia Director Pro is $100 (educational), with the full suite for only 150. Even if you factor in the base price of Director, it's a helluva better deal. The only reason Adobe charges so damn much is because they know a certain number of people will buy it regardless.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:4, Insightful)
As much as I like the gimp, it's seriously handicapped when it comes to even moderate digital camera photo processing, because it can only handle 8 bits per color channel (for the math-handicapped out there: "8 bits times 3 three color channels" is "24-bit color"). Good digital photo processing often needs at least 12 bits per channel (actually, to be "future proof", programs should probably suport at least 16-32 bits). In other words, moderate digital camera photo processing needs at least 48 bits per pixel, if not more.
Unfortunately, this is one area where photoshop is significantly better than gimp. (And, yes, I do know about CinePaint, but it seems to be virtually dead.)
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:4, Informative)
Well, I went to a lecture recently (end of last month) presented by Robin Rowe (CinePaint project leader) and it seems to be pretty well alive to me. It's used by a bunch of film production studios (list on the site) for 48 bit image processing. Just because you don't use it doesn't make it dead...
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Funny)
Oh the Irony
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$650 is nothing if it's faster (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, I use photoshop quite often, and GIMP is, among other things, exceedingly slow; filters that take a second or two in Photoshop CS take a half minute in GIMP. I got tired of watching the filter progress bar all the time, and switched right back.
Professionals buy new $3k Macs when there's a new model out if there is even 2-3 seconds difference in how long a task takes. Why should they "save" $650 on something that will take them ten times as long?
Nevermind that macros in GIMP are a royal pain in the ass. In Photoshop, you just do the action while recording it, and Photoshop makes the macro for you. You can then apply the macro to images in the image browser instantly, control where things go, have a report generated on failures/successes, the whole nine yards.
If the GIMP team wants Photoshop market share(which I don't think they do), then repeat after me: productivity, productivity, productivity. They'd do well to sit down with a bunch of pros and write down everything they say, and weigh it very heavily into future plans.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, but this is a patently false argument. There's a lot of really incredible engineering and mathematics that has gone into Photoshop. Consider the optical kerning engine - simply the best typographical kerning mechanism ever invented. It analyzes the shape of every letter and determines on a per-character basis what degree of kerning is necessary to prevent collisions and preserve a consistent look. Brought to you by years of analytical geometry. Or consider the cloning brush - a tool in Photoshop that blends dischordant pieces of an image with its surroundings. Brought to you by lots of doctoral-level calculus. The list goes on.
The expertise that produces the engineering and math marvels found in Adobe products does not come cheap. You can criticize Adobe for spending too much on marketing or unnecessary litigation, but you can't claim that Adobe charges a lot of money "just because." They have a very high salary line in their annual budget, and the quality of their products reflects this.
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Me, I actually use GIMP sometimes because of it's excellent scripting functions.
Then, on the other hand, I usually use Photoshop or ImageReady when it comes to editing the files sent to me by the AD (I'm doing sites for a PR company).
I sure wish Photoshop had the same or similar scripting stuff that GIMP has though (no, droplets doesn't count since I can't edit them the same way).
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I was at a Photoshop seminar last week here in Memphis. I spoke with the instructor during one of the breaks and asked him if he though there would be a native Linux version of Photoshop. He said as he shook his head up and down in a very expressive affirmative manner that due to certain non-disclosure agreements he had signed he couldn't say what he knew.
The rumor is "soon".
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:4, Insightful)
No.
If linux wasn't open source, would I use it?
No.
If firefox wasn't open source, would I use it?
No.
If X wasn't open source, would I use it?
No.
I think you get the picture.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Luckily, the GIMP is a useable program, and if you don't want to use PS, you probably don't have to, but that's not the issue. If PS is better for the job, even considering its price, it makes sense to use it.
If you're a fundamentalist, and refuse to use anything non-open-source, that's your ch
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Funny)
ERROR: illegal logic operation
That's great for you to only eat mexican food, but if
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It's easier to spell (Score:2)
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Funny)
Does it have anything over Photoshop in terms of Functionality or Ease of USe?
Yes, the GIMP supports the does-not-get-russian-programmers-unfairly-arrested plugin.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:2, Informative)
The GIMP: Free
Photoshop: $650 [adobe.com]
Yes you can get the cracked version all over the web but to truly compare the two you need to compare the legit versions. I for one will take TheGIMP and $650 in my pocket anyday.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean professional graphic artists make up less than 1% of the population but judging from
So anyway, GIMP works fine for me. I have no idea about PS and suspect I never will.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Informative)
You're not wrong. They should use Photoshop Elements [amazon.com], which is only about $50.
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Insightful)
However since there are just two many things that Gimp won't address in the near future and since, unless I missed, something, there isn't another alternative on the hori
Re:Seriously... Why would you use this? (Score:3, Interesting)
But it's ok for other stuff and does have some cool features and plugins th
What's New in 2.2 (Score:5, Informative)
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Download? (Score:5, Funny)
Anybody have a link to a torrent?
Oh.... wait
Re:Download? (Score:2)
I know that it would lack the oodles of sci-fi movies, Enterprise episodes and hentai clips that everyone loves, but it'd be genuinely useful and prove that BitTorrent can be used in a legal manner.
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Since a huge chunk of bandwidth is used by downloading, using Bittorrent could really reduce the costs of hosting the Software.
OpenOffice is available via Bittorrent [openoffice.org].
Most Linux distros are available via Bittorrent.
If I had the time I would start up "legittorrents.org" or something, but then you'd need to spend alot of time policing-- make sure that people aren't using your tracker/index to dist
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My problems with GIMP. (Score:3, Insightful)
But, there's two problems I have with GIMP, and one of them might have been fixed and one definitely hasn't.
First is the interface. Much has been said about it, but it really is not intuitive at all. A UI overhaul would be very helpful, and could go a long way to get a lot of Adobe enthusiasts to check it out. I've been using Mac OS X a lot lately, and it's really pointed out a lot of the really horrid UI decisions that have been made with Linux-grown software. The right-click menu is horribly unintuitive, there's too many options cluttered on one screen instead of giving them a heirarchy of use and seperating them by tabs or other methods. There's a whole bunch of things that could be done to make the the interface better, enough to fill a whole research document, so I'll leave it at that.
Second is the name. It needs to change. This is not about being PC, it's about reaching out to as many people as possible, and getting them to try out the GIMP. Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?' Will companies ever take seriously an employee who says that he wants to install 'the gimp' on his computer? Y'all have to have gotten the same weird looks as me when you've suggested that people try 'the gimp'. Have you ever told it to someone who uses a cane or crutches or is in a wheelchair?
If you have, you probably felt like a real jerk right after it slipped out of your mouth.
C'mon, change the name, we're not kids anymore, alright?
Re:My problems with GIMP. (Score:5, Funny)
So, in the interest of its long term viablility, I formally propose a name change:
GIMP Isn't Microsoft Paint
will, I believe, catapult GIMP onto desktops around the world.
Re:My problems with GIMP. (Score:5, Insightful)
C'mon, change the name, we're not kids anymore, alright?
Most of us know we're talking about an application if we ever mention "The GIMP" to a handicapped person, and are mature enough to handle it.
That's almost along the lines of getting nervous about talking about the civil rights movement with a black person.
Give me a break, we're not kids anymore, remember?
Re:My problems with GIMP. (Score:3, Insightful)
The civil rights movement was a positive thing. The word 'gimp' is a negative slur. How are these related?
Re:My problems with GIMP. (Score:2)
This isn't about us. This is about them.
How long do you think Linux would have lasted if Linus had decided to call it Linus's Effecient Simple Binary Operating System? Do you really think that "LESBOS" would have ever gained the marketshare that Linux has?
Re:My problems with GIMP. (Score:4, Informative)
Gimp developers seem obsessed with user interface stuff, scripting langugage stuff, etc. Not that I'm saying they are getting everything right the first time, but please, please do the important things first:
1.) My consumer digital camera delivers 12bit color channels. I hate being forced to throw away 4bit of image information before I even start editing a file in Gimp.
2.) Sometimes I want precise control over the colors in my prints. With Gimp this is impossible: It doesn't do color managment, so the colors I see on the monitor are never the same as those in the printout. That's especially annoying when printing portraits.
These are real, important, technical limitations of the Gimp. I really don't care for the name, and I'm capable of learning where to click. But when it comes to making use of all the information in an image and to correctly display it on the monitor I have much trouble making compromises.
Re:My problems with GIMP. (Score:2)
Anyway, tabbed menus are patented by Adobe. Tough luck in trying to use them in an image editing program as quite a few people have understood (unless you have a good portfolio for crosslicensing)
Re:Change the pronounciation (Score:3, Insightful)
Second is the name. It needs to change. This is not about being PC, it's about reaching out to as many people as possible, and getting them to try out the GIMP. Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?' Will companies ever take seriously an employee who says that he wants to install 'the gimp' on his computer? Y'all have to have gotten the same weird looks as me when you've suggested that people try 'the gimp'. Have you ever told it to someone who uses a cane or crutches
Done to death (Score:3, Insightful)
Almost everybody I know with a problem with the GIMP's UI is an experienced photoshop user. I learned both apps at roughtly the same time, and find the GIMP 2.0's UI acceptably usable in comparison to that of Photoshop (on MacOS - the Windows photoshop UI makes the GIMP look like UI heven). I'm hardly one to claim it's perfect, but the GIMP 2.0's interface is IMO quite usable. (Lets just not talk about 1.x - ugh).
ALSA Support!!!! (Score:2, Funny)
Now I can draw pictures while playing my 80's strap on casio keyboard!!!!
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I hope someone makes a patch (Score:3, Insightful)
Please...the new ones are completely unusable.
Re:I hope someone makes a patch (Score:2, Interesting)
And most of the time, I click or drag&drop images from my filemanager anyway.
Torrent links! (Score:3, Informative)
Linux [oxynova.com]
And for the sake of everything holy, reseed and be nice to my tracker and server
Mac Version dissected (Score:2)
http://www.gimp.org/screenshots/macosx_ s creenshot1
- The toolbox. No floating mini-windows with little tiny titlebars etc. Wastes space.
- Toolbox: Tool selection: It should be very easy to see which tool is selected at any time. Compare it to photoshop, which has every tool in a white box and the selected one is inverted, which tells yo
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Re:Mac Version dissected (Score:3, Interesting)
My only real complaint about it is the default theme - I've replaced it on my iBook with one called Milk 2 [gnome.org]
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Tools, Dialogs, Filters: where to look? (Score:4, Insightful)
My problem is that I do not use the gimp daily, and therefore I forget where things are hidden. But, surely, it needn't be so difficult to guess.
One thing I do a lot is to edit the contrast of an image that I've scanned. But, every time, I have to try a lot of menus to find that function. Image? Layers? Tools? Dialogs? Filters? All of these seem to be likely candidates. So, each and every time I want to adjust the contrast, I click each of these things, often a few times, missing the brightness/contrast function I'm looking for.
Does it really need to be this difficult?
I am not writing to suggest a reconfiguration of the menus -- folks have got used to the present state -- but rather to suggest something simpler. How about a menu action that stores recently chosen menus? In my case, a buffer of previously-selected menu items would contain just 3 items: "open", "brightness/contrast" and "save as". I imagine quite a few folks would have a small list of recent commands.
Q: is it technically feasible to store recently-used commands in this way? It would seem to be, since so many applications have recently-used file menu items.
Re:Tools, Dialogs, Filters: where to look? (Score:4, Informative)
If you have your mouse over a menu item and you press a keyboard combination (e.g. ctrl+;), it will assign that combination to that menu item.
It's not quite what you want but you could use ctrl+1, +2, +3 for your three functions (Open, save and gamma coorection or whatever ) and as long as you can remember that then it should work.
Hope that this helps?
Re:Tools, Dialogs, Filters: where to look? (Score:3, Informative)
I should point out that in modern versions of the GIMP this isn't turned on by default. You need to turn it on by Choosing the File>Preferences menu item of the tool-box. Then In the interfaces pane, check the item "Use Dynamic keyboard short-cuts"
Sorry for any confusion.
GIMP v competitors (Score:3, Insightful)
And for most peoples needs, GIMP or PSP is more than enough.
I'd guess that most of the people using Photoshop do so just because a) they got/pirated it for free, and b) it's popular. Pros use it because there is no viable alternative. And then there are the non-pro fools that actually shelled out all that money for it.
Oh noes, the interface is different! (Score:3, Insightful)
Compelling reasons to use the Gimp (Score:3, Interesting)
Photoshop to gimp comments ratio hits crisis point (Score:3, Funny)
I know this shortfall of redundant points is a completely false scarcity and there is dire need for redress, unless somehow the number of assholes who feel the need to post crap about photoshop in a gimp story is reduced.
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I, for one, laughed my ass off at that post.
don't sweat it, ya'll (Score:2, Insightful)
He probably is alone in his room, with no friends, sitting in front of a computer, making a difference in a society the only way he knows how, by trying to start shit on a website that is self-described "news for nerds." Wow. This is to you 'character assassin:' I feel sorry for you.
And I laugh at you, pinhead.
Re:Real world vs. fanboy fantasies (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Real world vs. fanboy fantasies (Score:3, Funny)
"Thorwaldes who publicly admits that he is in fact A HACKER???"
Not only that, but a highly respected one who can spell his name correctly.Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2)
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Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2, Interesting)
No, it's not. Visual metaphor and spatial navigation have always been very hard for me. By far the most natural interface for me is simply typing the damn name, preferably with the help of regexes.
Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2)
If spatial orientation and visual presentation aren't your strong suits, I don't think there is ever going to be an image editing program for you. I think your going to be stuck with vi and ascii art for some time to come.
Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2)
Sure it is, so long as you only have a couple files (20), all in your home directory. If you have several thousand, scattered deep in several projects it is much more difficult. Particularly if you have an intelligent name scheme that is both easy to remember, and quick to type. When you have several sub-directories to descend into, each with many other files and directories, a good tab completion (wild card or rebex) command line is easier to you.
Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2)
I realize that the GIMP is not exactly a program for blind users, but this is the same file selector in all GTK2 programs.
Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2)
I liked the old one. It supports regex matching, and makes it pleasant to use the keyboard. The new one has neither.
I won't be upgrading to 2.2 unless someone either forks it or releases a patch using the old dialogs. If I knew the GTK API, I'd do it myself, but alas...
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Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:3, Insightful)
By definition, it's not intuitive if you need to RTFM just to use a basic function.
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Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:3, Insightful)
Easy solution: Make the text box viewable in the box and make ctrl-l focus it.
It's still obvious that you can type the filename in if you'd like and you no longer have to use the mouse (unless you wish to) to make the text box have focus.
Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:2)
But seriously though, this does strike me as kinda annoying on behalf of those involved. Don't they have better things to work on than making sorting more important to a file than the file itself? How about fixing the classically-bad GUI?
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Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:3, Interesting)
The Gnome-HIG and especially their new dialogs are just a pain.
Re:Hooray for dumbing down? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:In reality (Score:2, Interesting)
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Re:But that's a hassle (Score:2)
(Ok, that one was pretty easy to fix, but god damn, that should've been obvious)
Re:I for one... (Score:5, Funny)
P.S: Lameness filter is soooo lame
Re:All I want from the GIMP (Score:2)
Mod parent up (Score:3, Interesting)
Very good point. This has been in their bugzilla (as a feature enhancement) since Sept '03 [gnome.org].
Check this out, from their wiki [gimp.org]:
Re:Random question.. (Score:3, Informative)