Virtual Server Hosting? 71
Eric Anderson asks: "I am shopping around for virtual hosting providers using something like UserModeLinux to allow me to have at least a virtual box to admin for myself. The current two companies that I am looking at are TekTonic and Linode. The price is right for these two companies, but I would like to know of any other suggested companies to look at, and opinions from people that have used these services. I am mostly buying this 'just for fun', but would also be interested in opinions on using these services in a business environment as well."
JVDS (Score:4, Informative)
You should definitely take a look at webhostingtalk.com [webhostingtalk.com] and read what others are saying about various VPSes. It's how I found JVDS, and a lot of newer (read: potentially flakier) startups offer incredible early-signup bonuses to forum members.
Re:JVDS (Score:3, Insightful)
They give $12.5 per month for 10GB transfer. I know 1gb total disk space isnt totally impressive but Ive run some seriously heavy services on a Pentium1 200MHz with 4GB disk and 64MB ram and I know I wont need one-tenth of that.
Also nice is the fact that they run squirrelmail, I planned to install that.
What bothers me are the occational reboots and 3mbit connection. Is that shared? Will I be better off running my server at home on my ADSL with 840kbps upload?
Another thing is they g
Re:JVDS (Score:2)
Re:JVDS (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, they do.
Running an IRC server on a major IRC network is just asking for regular (D)DoS attacks and exploit attempts.
- Colin
Re:JVDS (Score:2, Informative)
Yes they do. having worked IT security at the largest hosting providers in the world I can honestly say that yes IRC servers basicly paint a target saying "Hack and DDoS Me PLEASE!". alot of hosting providers will even go so far as to setup ACLs on routers to block ident and irc traffic.
Re:JVDS (Score:2)
I'm in the process of moving my sites to JVDS [jvds.com] as we speak. My current host [imeme.net] is good, but they can't beat JVDS's cost. I also like that JVDS gives you a choice of either a popular Linux distros (Gentoo, Slackware, Redhat, Fedora, Debian, Suse, Mandrake) or FreeBSD, and donates [jvds.com] part of your payment to either FreeBSD or Debian, based on your distro choice.
JVDS.com (Score:2)
Re:JVDS.com (Score:1)
And Rus kicks ass. There's nothing quite as convenient as having tech support available over AIM... And he even answers "I'm stupid and can't figure out how to configure BIND" questions without grumbling too much.
Bytemark Hosting (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bytemark Hosting (Score:3, Informative)
I'll second that. Bytemark [bytemark-hosting.co.uk] have been extremely helpful, reliable and competant. They are a tiny bit more expensive than some of the alternatives, but they offer secondary services such as domain-hosting nameservers and backup-MX hosting for free.
I also really like having my server sitting at GMT. It makes working out time differences really easy :)
Re:Bytemark Hosting (Score:2, Informative)
And how many other ISPs or hosting providers will offer to help you configure qmail for virtual hosts, for no charge?
Don't forget to mention to them that if you are a 'free software develope
Re:Bytemark Hosting (Score:1)
Thirded!
I've been using them for my domain [steve.org.uk] for a few months now and it's been very impressive.
Sometimes support requests have lagged a little, but they are competent and reliable - and getting a discount for doing free software was a nice bonus.
Re:Bytemark Hosting (Score:3, Informative)
Plus they've got IPv6 support already, if you're looking to the future.
Re:Bytemark Hosting (Score:2)
Customer service is great, and they emphasize quality of service to the point of buying new hardware for my account rather than overloading servers on an existing customers.
The discount for free software authors is really nice as well, and with that it doesnt cost much more than other providers - and for a uk provider they are very cheap anyway.
Go with linode.com! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Go with linode.com! (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:Go with linode.com! (Score:4, Informative)
Having full root access (and therefore shell access) is very cool. This type of hosting beats all other types hands down, especially for the cost.
Re:Go with linode.com! (Score:1)
Highly recommended.
Liquid Web (Score:3, Informative)
All systems are based on Redhat 9 and include full root access. These systems are great for busier sites that need more cpu/memory than a shared hosting account.
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johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:4, Informative)
johncompanies [kuro5hin.org]
Read about them here in the response to there ad on Kuro5hin
AD [kuro5hin.org]
Yes I know the first link redirects through kuro5hin that way they get any cash rev.
Re:johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:4, Informative)
Re:johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:2, Informative)
Re:johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:4, Informative)
It is a bit disconcerting, however, when every email you receive from them is signed 'John', no matter what time of day it is
Re:johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:3, Informative)
Their terms and conditions are straight forward, no hidden legalese.
It's a good service.
Plus, because I'm an open source developer, they give me a hefty discount! I'm very happy with them.
If you do have a problem, their support is all geeks who have no problem answering any question I've thrown at them.
Re:johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:2)
Re:johncompanies FreeBSD or Linux (Score:2)
rimuhosting.com (Score:3, Informative)
Re:rimuhosting.com (Score:2, Informative)
Re:rimuhosting.com (Score:1)
Well... (Score:5, Funny)
It's not as bad as you think (Score:1, Interesting)
I'm a bit disheartened that none of our users seem to read SlashDot, oh well..
P.S.: Our web server is running under UML with 256MB of RAM allocated to it.
PDXcolo.net Virtual Colocation (Score:2, Informative)
We at PDXcolo.net [pdxcolo.net] use User-mode Linux to provide virtual colocated hosting. We offer a range of plans from 64MB of RAM through 512MB, with disk space starting at 4GB and bandwidth starting at 30GB/month. Plans start at $20/mo, with additional bandwidth at $1.50/GB and disk at $1/GB.
We unlike some other providers have a very open TOS/AUP allowing you to do anything you would like that is legal and that doesn't include SPAM
Disk Space Scrooges (Score:2)
60GB Disk space
athlon 2100 or P4 1.6
256M RAM
root SSH
1 I
Re:Disk Space Scrooges (Score:4, Interesting)
Pricing UML servers is a strange "artform". In your case, wanting 60G of disk pushes you up into the land of dedicated servers at $79 to $125 per month. This is probably a lot more processing power than you need.
The best offer that we would have for you is:
Our servers are designed to not be overcommitted. We basically cut a server up into 20 increments. Each increment gets 32 Meg of ram and 32 Meg of swap. The swap is run out of a "tmpfs" mount on the underlying host, so it is usually ram as well. Running this way, the only users that have ever complained about performance were running applications that ran their virtuals out of RAM, not the underlying host.
The servers themselves have an SSH based console that lets you see processes, kill your virtual, restart your virtual, and "become" the virtuals console upon a reboot. This lets you fix filesystem errors and watch bootup, etc.
We have options for local and off-site backups, multi-patch connectivity for green-screen applications, additional IP addresses, including IP addresses on multiple backbones, local and remote replicated file systems, and a bunch of other stuff.
In about 2 weeks, we are reworking our website with new UML offerings that are more flexible, allowing users to buy RAM and disk seperately, configure server pairs as hot-backup systems, buy dedicated physical systems with UML pre-configured so you can sell your own UML "sub hosts", and more. Of particular interest to a lot of users will be user-manageable external firewalls, and managed security services so that you don't need to worry about patches, etc.
Our website is: http://mirroredsolutions.com [mirroredsolutions.com]
You can call our offices (yes there are real humans here) at (610) 237-2000 or (800) 470-2756. Our AUP is pretty simple, don't spam and we are happy. Depending on which of our networks you want to be on, IRC servers are allowable, but check with us first so that we are sure they will work for you.
One last point for people considering getting into the UML hosting business. There is an unbelievable amount of fraud out there. We get >75% bogus orders. There are orders with real credit card numbers with real names and phone numbers presumably coming from Russian or Far East organized crime. We have setup our system to "require" 100% phone authorization before we turn a server on.
Doug Dumitru
EasyCo LLC
610 237-2000
doug@easyco.com (I get so much spam, a little more can't hurt)
Re:Disk Space Scrooges (Score:2)
dedicated server with:
60GB disk space
1000 GB transfer (!!)
1.3 duron
512 MB RAM
1 IP
Whatever aps you want
$59 a month with a $99 setup.
Check it out... [valueweb.com]
And no, I have nothing to do with them other than being a happy customer so far...
Re:Disk Space Scrooges (Score:1)
I work for BSDHosting.net and the reason that we are not giving away 60GB of disk for $49 on our VPS systems is because we use high performance hardware that would make it unfeasible. U320 15kRP
rimuhosting.com (Score:3, Informative)
The price is right ($19.95 for 64MB ram, 4GB disk space, 30GB transfer), and they have some nice features that cheap virtual servers often lack, such as the ability to 'power-cycle' your machine from their web control panel, in case you firewall yourself or similar.
They offer RedHat 9, as well as a minimal Debian install, which makes it easy to install just the packages you need. I've found them to be stable (143 days uptime), and the tech support is friendly and helpful.
Re:rimuhosting.com (Score:2)
Thanks for the reference! We also have a Fedora distro available now [rimuhosting.com].
Now, it may be because I've drunk the UML cool-aid, but UML servers are a great way to host. Whether is for a personal blog or a corporate website.
cf. shared hosting you have control over everything (except the kernel which is usually provided by the hosting company). It is common for people to install and reconfigure all their core services. But I've even had customers install a different distro - e.g. moving themselves from RedHa
Re:rimuhosting.com (Score:3, Informative)
Dude, you are seriously suggesting that people use passphraseless ssh keys? Madness!
Just use keychain [gentoo.org]. Enter your passphrase once per boot. Then you don't have to worry about someone stealing your key. You do still have to worry about the box with keychain on it getting rooted, and leading them to the backup box, of course.
freebsd VPS (Score:3, Informative)
BSDHosting.net (Score:4, Informative)
Happy Linode customer (Score:4, Informative)
JohnCompanies = fanatical support (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:JohnCompanies = fanatical support (Score:1)
I have been using (Score:3, Informative)
Hosting Metro [hostingmetro.com] for a while now and am very very happy with it. To the point where one of my friends has now signed up with them and another is about to as soon as his existing hosting contract finishes. These guys are great.
You do effectively run inside a virtual machine on a shared server. You can reboot your vhost any time you like from the control panels, you have shell and SFTP/SCP via SSH (obviously) and you get to choose what you want to install. You can install the GNU compiler tools to add your own applications or you can just go with the basics.
For a bit over $6/mnth you get 500megs of storage, 20gig of traffic, unlimited pop mail boxes, secure SMTP or POP3 before SMTP, MySQL or PostgreSQL as you like, Real Server, (mod_)PHP, (mod_)Perl 5, Apache, full control over your domains and subdomains, including the ability to create and modify all your own DNS records. You can point multiple domains there if you like.
There are a lot of other features there as well. I liked it enough I signed up for 2 years up front.
Support is great. Every email question I've ever sent them has been answered quickly and coherently. They work with you until the issue is resolved and don't just say 'its not happening for us' as I've experienced with others in the past. The guys aren't just textbook admins, they definitely seem to know what they're doing from my observations.
There are a lot more features I cannot begin to cover off here. But definitely check out their options. I'm sure you'll find something there you'll like.
Media Temple, the temple of virtual web hosting (Score:1)
VPS, maybe not? (Score:2)
Another happy linode customer (Score:1)
It has been great to me. I love having a cheap web account that I can use emerge on (I am a Gentoo fan).
You get to pick your distro with Linode.
Also, I should say that I was using hub.org (freebsd setup). They had HORRIBLE reliability. There was too much "scheduled downtime" and way too much unscheduled downtime.
+1 linode [linode.com]
-Jackson
Linode all the way (Score:2)
I have had a server there for nearly 6 months and have had one unscheduled reboot (due to the data center accidentally pulling a power plug which I assume is a very rare occurrance) and
How much RAM? (Score:2, Interesting)
It's been a while since I've worked in an environment with so little RAM -- I don't know how/if things will run.
I see that the base plan for several of these includes 64 MB of RAM, but I see that at least RimuHosting states that Java servlets won't run with 64 MB of RAM, and more is recommended if using a MySQL database [rimuhosting.com], I don't see anything yet on Linode's site about practical requirements. Does anyone have any experiences with what's necessary/practical. It seems that on the base plan, doubling the RAM f [linode.com]
Re:How much RAM? (Score:2)
For Java, you _may_ be able to sneak by with 64MB for a small webapp on Tomcat. You won't be able to run JBoss. Ideally you'd want 96-128MB of memory for Tomcat and 128++ for JBoss.
FWIW we [rimuhosting.com] have a VPS-C plan that overallocates the memory on the host server (so it swaps every now and then). Performance is good, but not as good as our main plans where we don't overallocate memory. All that means is that for the $24.95 VPS-C plan you can muck around with Java servers all you like.
Zorka.com (Score:1)
The tech support is really wonderful, the prices good, and it's run by a guy in a bank vault.
~Donald
Things to whatch out for (Score:4, Informative)
2. Uptime. Providers that claim 99.999% or whatever uptime are simply lying. It's probably the uptime of their network connection, but not individual server - I've had 3 different VPS's over the past two years (Verio, JVDS and Spry), and every one of them has at least once experienced a server problem where it was down for several hours.
3. Proprietary things. Whatch out for provider trying to lock you into their way of doing things. This may be a complicated xinetd/qmail setup that works well with their GUI panel (which you may not care about). Once you get used to their way of doing things, it would be hard to move to another provider who will probably have a different setup.
4. Watch out for the price. The vast majority of the hosting companies out there operate as Ponzi schemes - their main source of revenue is the setup and pre-payment fees, but the monthly fee alone isn't enough to sustain their costs. This makes them very eager to keep signing up new customers and not to work hard on retaining them.
5. Few hosting providers will upgrade their servers, it's just too much trouble. So if you got a FreeBSD 4.3 or RedHat 7.2, it will probably stay this way despite of what the sales guy may tell you.
6. You don't know what hardware they are using. It is trivial to patch the kernel so that dmesg always reports it's a 2.4GHz Xeon whereas it's really a PII.
7. Most hosting companies don't like to reveal their inner workings. You can most of the time guess whether it is a FreeBSD jail, a Linux UML (those usually list memory limits as part of the price), a Linux VServer (not a lot of those yet, but it's the future most likely) or a proprietary solution like the ViaVerio crap. What this means is that you don't know what security and reliability measures they have in place, don't ever assume anything.
8. AUP. A more restrictive AUP is a good thing IMHO. Providers with liberal AUP's are usually winking that they like to host porn. You probably don't want to be on the same machine with a porn site because they will eat all your CPU. Some providers prefer porn customers because they are easy to deal with, always pay on time and don't like to draw attention. Then other providers don't host porn because they consider it immoral.
9. Make sure that the IP's you get have not been previously spoiled by a spammer. You will find out sooner or later when your e-mails sent from the VPS bounce.
Well that's about all I can think of right now...
Re:Things to whatch out for (Score:2)
Quite true, although they do make that pretty clear on their site. For what it's worth, my fairly tight RedHat 9 setup uses about 350 MB before any user files are considered.
Re:Things to whatch out for (Score:2)
Once again, with a UML host like Linode.com this is not an issue at all. You control all of the software on your server and can upgrade whenever you see fit.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here... Unless you are planning to be a fulltime admin, keeping up with the necessary security patches & such
Linode and dedicated servers (Score:2)
You might also want to look into getting a dedicated server. I just picked up a P3 800 with 256MB of ram for $40/month. Most VDS supplies are charging that much for a lot less horsepower. There are plenty of deals out there to be had. Check out www.webh
Bytemark (Score:2)
However, if you use them, be sure to put me as your referrer ('tim'), You can choose between either getting me 1.50 off my hosting fees per month, or they'll make a one-off donation of 7 for the Debian project - your choice.
I've always found service wit
Slashdot don't like pound signs (Score:2)
VPSCenter.com (Score:1)
Pigs Can Fly Computing (Score:2)
Pigs Can Fly Computing offers low cost Virtual private servers based on UML with full root access starting at $5/month