Congress May Overturn FCC's Media Consolidation Plan 439
Spril writes "A congressional committee voted yesterday to prevent the FCC from allowing even more consolidation of the media industry. The original ruling was covered on Slashdot. The committee attached the pro-consumer proposal to a bill funding the Justice and State departments for 2004. But the Bush administration has threatened to veto the funding because they support ever-larger corporations owning ever-bigger chunks of the spectrum that theoretically belongs to the public. Clear Channel may need to cough up some more money for their lobbyists."
On this day, July 17th, 2003... (Score:5, Funny)
Call me cynical, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Then again, I might just be a cynic at the ripe old age of 25.
That is not it, it is fundraising. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That is not it, it is fundraising. (Score:5, Interesting)
Needless to say, I was a bit amazed (omg wtf lol!). But regardless of what you (or I) think of him, Trent Lott is a seasoned politician. And the only way to become one of those is to listen to constituents.
Maybe he's still atoning for that Strom Thurmond thing...
Re:That is not it, it is fundraising. (Score:3, Funny)
Consumers? Oh Christ I thought we were Citizens (Score:5, Insightful)
please mod this up... (Score:5, Insightful)
We are not money-spending machines, and that is not our sole duty to our country - we are humans who live here, and this country is *our* country, as it says in our constitution...
Re:please mod this up... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:On this day, July 17th, 2003... (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but, to the androids in Congress, that is an eternity.
And what about W? (Score:2)
But the Bush administration has threatened to veto the funding because they support ever-larger corporations owning ever-bigger chunks of the spectrum that theoretically belongs to the public.
I swear that just read that the Bush administration is supporting a bill that detracts from the power of the corporation. I must be drunk again.
Equating "Media" & "Voice of People" Is Bogus (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't understand this obsession with equating the "media" with "the voice of the people".
First, there is no "people". We're just 300 million indviduals. Most of the time when someone starts emoting about "the people", he means "the people who agree with me".
Second, a media outlet reflects the views of its owners and the people who create the content. That's the way it has always been and that's the w
Re:On this day, July 17th, 2003... (Score:3, Funny)
consumers plus (Score:2)
Attached to the bill (Score:5, Funny)
Finally, an attachment that might be safe to open!! *Proceeds to double-click in Outlook*
Re:Attached to the bill (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Attached to the bill (Score:3, Funny)
What the fuck... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What the fuck... (Score:5, Interesting)
a few issues on both sides that i agree with, with a lot of issues "undecided/don't know"
what i do know is the republicans push the idea of "smaller government"
this is appealing in a way. i don't want a large overbearing government fucking with my life.
but i think many pure unquestioning republicans don't understand is, I DON'T WANT LARGE OVERBEARING CORPORATIONS fucking with me either.
the end result is the same. I, an individual, am made irrelevant.
THAT is why i have so little faith....in either party.
Re:What the fuck... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What the fuck... (Score:2, Insightful)
Either party? Try the others... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Either party? Try the others... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Either party? Try the others... (Score:2)
Isn't that the wrong choice...? (Score:5, Informative)
There is no easy solution to this. Personally, I'd just as well have communication companies be public trusts. Pulitzer was supposedly going to do this with his publishing empire before he died, but one of his heirs caught wind of it and made him change his mind.
Re:Isn't that the wrong choice...? (Score:2, Insightful)
How can you say the markets have free reign right now, when usaable spectrum is kept artificially scarce by government? If it weren't for the FCC, media consolidation would be irrelevant and a nearly useless strategy for the megacorps to pursue.
It's not just a radio thing, either. The city I live in, only has one cable TV company. Do you really think that's because no other entrepreneurs thought they could suc
Re:Isn't that the wrong choice...? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not sure that the reason you only have one cable company in your town is because of some law passed... Cable infrastructure is very expensive to install and so few companie
Re:Isn't that the wrong choice...? (Score:3, Informative)
The funny thing about capitalism is that the most rabid self-proclaimed capitalists practice it so seldom. Hardly any primary source of productivity is untou
Re:Isn't that the wrong choice...? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Isn't that the wrong choice...? (Score:2)
In case people are wondering. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Piling on... (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, but Bush's attitude after being elected is no surprise. It was always fairly obvious he didn't really earn his position. If he didn't earn his way then who did? Big business maybe? Special interests of the monied kind? This guy somehow feels conned, but only because he didn't pay attention to the obvious warning signs("Strategery", "Major League Asshole", lower GPA than befitting a President, etc.).
I'm waiting for the day... (Score:5, Interesting)
democracy is not equivalent to capitalism (Score:3, Insightful)
democracy and dictatorship/monarchy are opposite ends of another axis.
A state can be totalitarian and capitalist (fascism):
"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ow
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes. But they also lobby congressmen to approve laws that take away your freedom to their advantage. And THAT's what he was taliking about.
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:4, Interesting)
Not that thats a bad thing. Many historians believe pure capitalism and pure socialism is doomed for failure. I do too. A mixed economy is the only way to go. This is up for dispute, but I do not wish to discuss it.
You say, quite ignorantly I might (or might not) add, "and a democracy (the US is a republic).". You are correct. The US has democratic qualities, as well as republican qualities. Our Democratic party once started out as the Democratic-Republican party, believe it or not. St. Earlier, it was the Anti-Federialists party.
Following your unbased queries and uncontradictory statements, you begin to spout drivel.
They do both. The most coherent sentence I've ever seen from a half Nelson. Just kidding, I'm just playing with you man. I can't parse this. Does "only in the minds" mean that such a thought can never materalize? I think not.Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:2)
For instance, Mexico has less regulation than us. China has freer markets than did the Soviet Union. Sweden probably lands near the middle of the spectrum.
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:2)
I think your terms are a little different from the norm. Usually a socialist democracy has natural monopolies controlled by the government, and subsidizes health and education heavily. Other industries are largely unregulated except for health/environment and accounting transparency for public companies. I understand the confusion because the communist countries always called themselves "socialist"
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:5, Insightful)
You're so off-base it's not even funny. Comparing socialism and democracy is not legitimate, because socailism is an ECONOMIC system, and democracy is a POLITICAL system.
The opposites of socialism maybe capitalism, or anarchy.
Democracy on the other hand, can be contrasted with totalitarianism, or police state.
For example, it's widely recognized that many European countries are socialist democracies.
The US is somewhere between capitalism and socialism.. since we do regulate trade, and break up monopolies (sometimes), but don't have state-run companies (like in France, Germany, or China).
Companies don't take away freedoms, they persuade you to buy their product. If you don't like the deal they offer, you turn around and walk out. Only in the minds of regulators can a company monopolize an entire market.
Hmm... what would you call your local power company? Or how about Microsoft? They are monopolies, one is a regulated, natural monopoly, the other is not, and is coercive. (figuring out which one is which is left as an exercise to the reader). Both do exist thanx to the government, and are not going away anytime soon.
Welcome to the not-so-free-as-you-think market.
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:2)
This guy thinks it's impossible for an economy to have both socialistic and democratic elements in it.
Where did you go to school anyway? It's sad to see the US education system keep spitting out dunces like this.
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:2)
Re:I'm waiting for the day... (Score:2)
Thank god... (Score:2, Interesting)
At least there will be some discourse, or so one would hope.
Don't get too happy. (Score:5, Interesting)
Still, better than nothing I suppose. If this passes, Fox will have to go ahead and divest itself of the excess Television coverage they picked up that put them in violation of the cap.
Re:Don't get too happy. (Score:2)
My bets are with the Mouse.
justen
Re:Don't get too happy. (Score:2)
Re:Don't get too happy. (Score:2)
I almost forgot (Score:4, Funny)
You know, I had almost forgotten that you could get TV without cable or satellite. Silly luddites and their airwave TV.
Re:I almost forgot (Score:2)
Re:I almost forgot (Score:2)
I hate absolute statements. Depends on how loosely you define "media." Also depends on how far you would go to prove indirect payment. What if I get someone to tear all the advertisements out of a free newspaper?
More along the lines of reality, what about tivo's commercial blocking?
Re:I almost forgot (Score:3, Insightful)
You do realise that if everyone blocked TV ads with Tivo, you'd have to:
1) Pay for that station
2) Pay more than currently for that station
3) Have ads delivered to you in another way
, right? Companies pay for adverts on TV because they think people watch them, not just for the novelty of it. If ad response rates go down, they aint gonna pay anymore.
Re:I almost forgot (Score:3, Interesting)
ahhhh.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Now I remember why I read slashdot, for the non-biased even-handed reporting. Now when are we going to see a mention of Fritz Hollings' membership in the democratic party?
Re:ahhhh.. (Score:2)
Where are you from? Did you just land on this planet? Who the hell gave you the idea that slashdot was a newspaper or that the people who run it are journalists?
Not a republican, dont agree with them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice editorializing. Just tell us the story next time, okay?
Re:Not a republican, dont agree with them, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh come on. This is the second post I've seen that bitches about that line, but it's not editorializing! It's the honest-to-God TRUTH! I noticed that neither of you tried to deny the veracity of the statement, just the way it which is was said. BTW, I don't see this as a Republican versus Democrat issue; both parties are corporate stooges. It's just that Republicans are often the most egregious offenders.
I reckon you're just used to the way the
Re:Not a republican, dont agree with them, but... (Score:2)
Slashdot is really more of an "opinionated news site". Many times, as in this case, I find it giving me heads up to read about this issue,and not actually telling me about it.
Partisan politics (Score:5, Insightful)
Text for those who don't want to click I don't understand why there are so many Bush apologists from every camp, but I'd rather face facts that begin to pretend there are no differences between the two major parties regarding this issue.
Re:Not a republican, dont agree with them, but... (Score:2)
"We all know they are ALL evil."
Not to the same degree.
In the public interest (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In the public interest (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In the public interest (Score:2)
I've pretty much ... (Score:5, Interesting)
If you trust anything reported by so called unbiased media sources, you are a fool. Times have changed, the news is all about ratings. Sensationalism, no matter the truth or consequences is the order of the day.
And no, you can't trust the news from the internet either. Honestly, as a society, I am concerned about what we are going to do next. If we continue along this path, Time-Warner, Clear Channel and the rest might as well just start speaking for us.
I'm certainly not against free speech...but I think more effort needs to be invested in keeping media conglomerates in check.
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:2)
If they're supposed to be such a liberal cheerleader, how is it that in 2000 they were so eager to repeat whatever slander the Republicans felt like making up about Gore? Ne researh or verification of the facts, just complete acceptance of invented misquotes.
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:3, Troll)
Yeah, the Times is a real liberal paper all right. That's why they spent all that effort covering up Whitewater and why they've been so dogged in exposing the Bush administration's mendacity. Thank God that Dick Morris was able to take some time off from having fetish
Re:I think the real problem (Score:3, Informative)
You are referring to the Appalachian Law School shootings. You are also, deliberately or not, misstating what happened.
This case was popularized by the work of pro-gun researcher John Lott. It is an important
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:4, Insightful)
A liberal cheerleader? huh? I agree that they've gone from being stodgy and sometimes acceptable to sometimes sensationalist and completely bogus, but the only issues they are even remotely liberal on is when it comes to some minorities' civil rights. There is more liberal reporting in the Wall Street Journal and the Economist when it comes to anything else.
If I had to peg the NYT ideology I'd say it's conservative upper middle class. That's not the same as right wing christian ideology but it's still conservative.
Not that I care much about their ideology, the reporting has been so rotten over the last decade that it doesn't matter much. Except that it's still widely read since there is little else. (The Wash Post & the LA Times have been improving though, and the BBC website is marginaly acceptable for world news headlines.)
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:3, Informative)
There do exist alternativ sources of informed and critical journalism. For instance, ZNet [zmag.org] has many articles written by very good journalists from respected newspapers. Quite a few articles/interviews with Noam Chomksy as well on that site.
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:4, Insightful)
I used to think NPR was the cleanest news source and I've even donated money to them. However, every news source must serve its master. NPR receives huge donations from biotech companies like Archer Daniels Midland ("The nature of what's to come" and "Supermarket to the world"). How can I trust NPR to give "fair and balanced" reporting about subjects like genetically engineered foods when they are ADM's bitch?
And then there was the whole fiasco about US Army psy-ops (i.e. propagandists) working as "interns" in NPR and CNN's news rooms.
Ironically, I still listen to NPR because, even though they are influenced (like every other news source), I find their subjects and spin the most appealing. I guess you have to pick your poison. Though I have been reading the BBC and Guardian UK news lately..
Try to mix and match (Score:4, Informative)
Independent Media Center is amazing in it that anyone can submit a story. This is much more likely to be read on the local versions; there are dozens of locals Centers, spread around the globe. IndyMedia has proved to be an important organizing tool for progressive groups in third world countries.
AlterNet, on the other hand, is more of a news analysis site, where the headlines of the day are tackled from different angles and where you can find information that the mainstream media "forgot" to report.
The importance of sites like these is that they allow you to see a different side of an issue. In a world controlled by the right-wing corporate media machine, this can be seen as a very good thing©.
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:5, Informative)
Some quotes:
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:2, Troll)
If you want unbiased news your best bet is to look outside the country. Lucky for you english versions of most countries news outlets are available on the web.
During our invasion of iraq the best place to get news was from New Zealand, Chinese, and russian news outlets. Even CNN asia was much less biased then CNN US. Too bad I don't speak arabic it would have been interesting to hear what al zereera was saying. Of course they were not allowed to broadcast in english in the US.
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:3, Insightful)
The government of the United States was elected by the people. If you have a problem with the government, you have a problem with the Americans, since they put it in power. The government is acting under _their_ authority. And, notably, polls show most citizens support the actions of the government so far.
So, pleas
Re:I've pretty much ... (Score:3, Interesting)
and with the advent of blipverts and the passing of the mandatory TV act of 2005 the citizens will recieve 12 years in Jail for not watching their required 4 hours of TV a day.
Meanwhile in other news, the federal government executed 27 members of a illegal music sharing cartel citing the rosen/valenti act of 2004. and President Jeb Bush released 12 serial killers from federal pr
Slant? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Slant? (Score:3, Insightful)
Who Owns What (Score:5, Informative)
Columbia Journalism Review's Web guide to what the major media companies own. [cjr.org]
Judging by how tiny the scroll bar becomes when I open the Clear Channel page, I would say they own most of radio while Viacom, NewsCorp and Disney own most of TV.
Re:Who Owns What (Score:2, Interesting)
More about media consolidation... (Score:4, Informative)
Strange bedfellows (Score:4, Interesting)
Needless to say, I was a bit, um, amazed. But regardless of what you (or I) think of him, Trent Lott is a seasoned politician. And the only way to become one of those is to listen to constituents.
Maybe he's still atoning for that Strom Thurmond thing...
I'm not a techie. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I'm not a techie. (Score:2)
-- Funksaw
Re:I'm not a techie. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I'm not a techie. (Score:2)
more info... (Score:3, Insightful)
I heartily recommend their newsletter.
You should write your congress person (Score:3, Informative)
Better than just writing (Score:3, Insightful)
Quote from pro-FCC House member (Score:5, Informative)
I'll admit I'm not an expert on House Committee rules, but this is a serious obstacle for this bill.
What has really peaked my interest is that this bill not only seeks to undo the most recent FCC decision, but seeks to undo the radio deregulation of 1996, which has been great for ClearChannel but a disaster for the music industry. In my opinion it is directly responsible for the lack of quality most people see in today's music industry (and therfore the primary reason for the music industrys economic slump).
Canadian perspective (Score:2, Insightful)
The United States used to be a democracy, but it is less so now. This is only because of the recent apathy in the general population. Governments do whatever they want only when you allow them to.
There's nothing broken here (a right wing government, suppressive anti consumer legislation) that can't be undone once you get the people you w
MORE INFO ON A CLEAR CHANNEL SCANDAL (Score:4, Interesting)
Own Your Own Station (Score:5, Interesting)
The FCC doesn't like it, but you can probably expect to be on the air at a couple of watts (1-2 mile range) for a year or more before they come knocking. Just choose your frequency carefully, and listen to neighboring stations for interference (which, BTW, almost never occurs).
Re:Own Your Own Station (Score:4, Interesting)
www.northcountryradio.com their $150 ish kit has a limiter built in, a modulation meter so you can actually adjust it, AND they designed it so it can be aligned with a voltmeter, just like the old Marconi excitiers found in older radio stations.
If you are going to get on the air, you need to spend $$$ if you want to be on for any decent amount of time . you need good feedline, antenna, transmitter, amplifier, and then process your audio... also put a $400.00 high speed 3 band limiter before the transmitter AND do some slight equilization.
Next, dont act like a N00b and start spewing vomit like the other 90% of the "pirate idiots" make your station sound like a real station, play Ad's , PSA's, station ID every hour, etc...
only complete morons fire up the transmitter and start the "F**Kin FCC I am King! You are listening to the F***Kin F**K S**T Shiznat Hoe smakin and house blowin' up king of da Radio! WORD!"
Blend in, I know of one fake station her eth at has to be transmitting at 10 watts and has been on the air for over 5 years.... because they sound like they belong, but only play Indie music.
I don't give a f*ck. (Score:5, Insightful)
Once upon a time, folks finished out their evening singing around a piano or playing parolor games instead of stearing mindlessly into the hypnotizing blue light of the boob tube telling them what to think about and how to think about it.
Take a walk around your neighborhood some night and look at all the houses around 10pm. Seriously, go do it. It's surreal. All you'll see is the eerie blue glow in each and every house. The living rooms without curtains drawn will let you see that every house is now filled with overweight listless expressionless creatures plopped down on overstuffed furniture with their mouths half open. It's like the aliens came down to earth and took over our minds with glowing blue mind control devices. BUT WE DID IT TO OURSELVES!
Is the democracy in the USA dead? (Score:4, Interesting)
You can come to two conclusions:
1) The Democrats are also after the same money from these media companies as the Republicans are, which in fact makes the USA's democracy rather dead: there is no real choice for Joe Sixpack, the two parties which matter are NOT serving the interests of the people
2) The Democrats are incapable of fighting Bush effectively. Which also makes the USA democracy rather dead, because the general public doesn't KNOW there is an alternative to 'Bush'. When Bush gets the concetration of media in place, and the holders of these media on his side (which seems to be the case) he controls EVERYTHING and the republicans can stay in power, well... forever.
If the republican party would exist in The Netherlands, Europe, they would get at most 2 seats in the 150 seat parlement, roughly guessed. Not because we're all 'stinking liberals', but because we tolerate less a government that thinks of big $$$ first and the interest of the public second.
(To the USA citizens: as a European I see you as a group of people who thought that a president who nailed his intern with cigars should be impeached and a president who started a very expensive war under false intelligence in a time where jobs dissapear very quickly should stay in his office and should stay popular. Think about that for a second.)
Because America's News is Strictly Filtered (Score:5, Interesting)
Because we don't get the news here.
Seriously.
Or, to be more precise, the main networks and popular media outlets have filtered the foreign and domestic news beyond all recognition.
Why? Not because they harbor some pro-Bush bias (although clearly some, such as Fox news, do), but because they all compete in a market for viewership, and several factors coincide to make the media self censoring and self-slanting, including the desire to cozy up to the administration in order to get and maintain access to the white house (which the Bush administration exploits and enforces shamelessly and aggressively...witness seasoned reporters who have been in the whitehouse for 20 years or more being relegated to back seats behind neophytes for posing difficult questions in White House press conferences and subsequently being ignored by the press secretary/president/etc.) and the desire to maintain popularity with a public they perceive as supporting the president.
The latter is an assumption that is quite possibly mistaken, if the conservatives I work with are any indication (most of whome are saying rather loudly that Bush has gone to far and things are spirallying out of control
Back on topic, the news we get in the United States is NOTHING like the news you get overseas. Our information is so sanitized and slanted that you would probably not recognize the same events if you saw them reported here. This was driven home rather forcefully the other night when I was at my girlfriend's watching the BBC news on PBS at 10:00pm, and for the first time saw footage of injured soldiers and Iraqis, and heard first hand just what an appalling quagmire this administration's precipitious invasion has put us into. Contrasting that with Fox or CNN (modulo the editorializing there is little difference of late) is like night and day.
So, while we aren't forbidden from getting foreign news sources per se (the Internet is available, after all, and the BBC is available once/day at 10:00PM), we are discouraged in that the BBC is shown at a time when it must compete against most of the local news broadcasts, on a station few bother to watch (more's the pity), and that virtually every mainstream press to which people have subscribed for the bulk of their lives is heavilly censored and sanitized
It is incredibly discouraging to be an American at a time like this, when our country appears to be spiralling full steam into a state of plutocratic fascism, the FCC has gutted and destroyed our telecom industry, crippled our internet industry, and is hell bent on consolidating our remaining media into a few easilly-influenced mega-companies, perhaps even into a single monopoly. The freedom I grew up with has dissappeared bit by bit ever since the Reagan era in the 1980s, and while more people are becoming aware of it today, still there are too few of us, and too many who simply toe the party line or bury their head in the sand in a frenzy of misplaced national pride, and things continue to spiral downward and get worse.
Perhaps this years record deficit of 450+ Billion dollars, beneath a Republican President and
Straight from an apparently sane congressman (Score:4, Informative)
-- Rep. DAVID OBEY, D-Wis., sponsor of legislation on Capitol Hill to block a new FCC rule allowing media companies to buy more TV stations.
Found that on Yahoo.
--rhad
Re:A revolutionary thought. (Score:3, Insightful)
Simpsons
King of the Hill
Futurama
(hmm.. all cartoons..)
Farscape (now reduced to once a week, Sundays at FRELLING MIDNIGHT)
I used to watch TV news all the time but now I get it from NPR or off the net. The TV news is way too right-wing biased, and the white house press corps is way too chickenshit to do their job anymore.
Well, here's a clue. (Score:3)
Many people who are passionate about music resent this greatly. Music is art, not something to be packaged and sold like Instant Oat