Linux at Spring Comdex 74
"At Spring Comdex in Chicago, Linux was scattered around the exhibit floor in addition to the cluster under the Linux pennant. There were quite a few embedded and handheld Linux items in addition to the expected Linux software booths.
- Identifiable small Linux things:
- The Agenda PDA had high visibility.
- In the Korean booths, HNT was showing several tiny Linux machines in their Exilien line, using Linuette from MIZI. I won't call these multimedia devices a PDA.
- Hacker & Packers had Linux inside their web pad design.
- Up front, Century Software was showing their embeddable Linux on some Compaq iPaq handhelds, although their WebMedia (not yet on their web page) is aimed at larger appliance-sized devices.
- Milletech was showing a WinCE or Linux webpad prototype.
- Tuxia was tucked in the NEC area with their settop/webpad/thin client software.
- Lineo featured tiny boxes, although their line ranges up to high-capacity clusters.
- The assorted Linux items that caught my eye:
- Appgen was showing their personal-to-Fortune range of accounting applications.
- ACCPAC has some of their accounting modules on RedHat.
- FreeDesk.com was showing their collection of web/Java based services and applications.
- Equinox was showing the Linux label due to Linux support for their multiport serial/modem line.
- Linux support in the distributed machine control system *this, which is generalizing proprietary industrial control equipment.
- Starnet X-Win32 helps an unstable desktop access your stable server windows.
- neTRAVERSE was running MS-Windows 95/98 apps within Linux.
- A GeekCruises.com brochure for a Fall Linux Lunacy cruise was floating about.
In addition to Linux Magazine, Linux Journal, and Embedded Linux Journal, Pen Computing magazine chose to feature the Agenda on their cover.
The overall Comdex exhibit area seemed smaller than two years ago, with Waste Expo taking the south hall this year. But maybe the way the space between the three buildings was arranged was deceptive."
Another summary. . . . (Score:1)
BTW, was Micro$haft really not there, or were they off in their own wing (I hit the show yesterday)?
Re:Linux is still trendy? (Score:1)
It's Extreme Programming this week.
most popular booth (Score:1)
Spring Comdex is a bust (Score:1)
I can think of a few reasons for the decline:
1. They let anyone in. Exhibitors are there to show off their products to other businesses and potential customers. The last few years I see alot of people in jeans walking around collecting free tshirts and mouse pads. It's not worth the expense for companies to exhibit to people that are just looking for "free trinkets"
2. Lets face it, the weather in Chicago in early April is not great. Spring doesn't really get to the midwest until mid-May.
3. The idea of the overall computer show is outdated. I think companies are more likely to exhibit at shows that more specificly target the areas of technology they represent.
4. I've heard that the union labor at McCormick is very corrupt. Evidently the exhibitors have to bribe the union help just to get their booths set up and wired for power. It's not worth the hassle for alot of companies to pay off the union workers.
Ick (or why I stopped going to Comdex) (Score:4)
That was the first year (about 4 years ago)
Fast forward a couple of years.
Now there's a seperate Windows Pavillion and the "everyone else" pavillion. Now the linux booths are packed to the gills with people scrambling for the latest full color glossy sales brochure or, good god, a free yo-yo? Add this to the intrinsic value of a clueless sales rep and you have a veritable orgy of dorks looking for the latest mindless crap and sales pitch instead of a serious presentation of new products and technology.
Where the hell is the technical value of that?
Re:COMDEX Lady (Score:2)
You mean the Red Hat folks weren't buying rounds?
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Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
I like so there!!! (Score:1)
Why vim? (Score:1)
What license is it published under? I can't seem to find any mention of licensing on their website.
Excellent editor though.
-Vic
Re:In related news,MS acquires a Russian sub (Score:1)
That's an enjoyable thought
I wish I had mod points (Score:1)
Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:5)
1) A 12% drop in attendance.
2) 350 vendors as opposed to 500 last year.
3) The show space is now in one hall instead of two.
I went there Tuesday afternoon and I also notice the big vendors such as Red Hat, IBM and Microsoft were absent. There was also a distinct lack of goodies. A lot of brochures and magazines but no T-Shirts (except for American Express) and other fun gadgets. I didn't think much of it until I saw the people leaving the "Waste Expo" across the hall with several back of t-shirts, hats, yo-yos, foam rubber balls and other goodies.
One thing the article doesn't mention is that most of the function of Comdex is now available on the web. Most companies put brochures and product information online so there is little need to get these are show.
In spite of the cancellation of the "Linux Business Expo", there was still some good things going on in the Linux field. Caldera had a free training booth; There were several companies making application for Linux based PDAs including a pretty good version of "Doom II" for the iPaq.
The guys at "The Linux Show" manage to scrape up enough money to play "Red Planet" at "Dave and Busters" that night. For those who haven't played it, "Red Planet" is similar to the pod races in "The Phantom Menace". You score points by making the most laps in the 10 minutes. I hadn't played this game since the last Comdex, so it took a while to get the hang of it. I finished near the bottom in the first few games but caught on quick and finished the last game (at about midnight) in first place.
In between matches, I talked with several current and former members of the FSF. I surprised me that on of the current problems is the licensing of documentation. The current licenses of the Linux Documentation Project is making it difficult to publish books based on LPD material.
Below is another link in the Chicago Tribune that discusses the decline of Spring Comdex.
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/business/columni
Sounds better than the PacRim Comdex (Score:1)
Re:I wish I had mod points (Score:1)
Gramma, Check This... (Score:1)
Re:Spring Comdex is a bust (Score:1)
Re:Grammar check (Score:2)
You mean thats not the reason? (Score:3)
The last expo I went to was the Linux World Expo in NYC.
I figured the reason to go was to miss work and try to accumulate as much free vendor stuff as you could (I think I had 6 t-shirts at the end of the day). You mean that wasn't the reason?
Actually, I also picked up some great info, talked to a number of representatives about thier Linux based firewalls, noticed some interesting work that Corel is doing in the Client management space (as well as a number of other people... and if you want Linux to succeed in the desktop space, the first place it needs to go is at the office, and tools to help manage all those desktops will help that happen).
Of course I also picked up a copy of Mandrake 7.2 so I didn't need to download it.
Now, a few months later, I'm still using the mandrake CD, I've picked up one of those Linux Firewalls, and I just got a few other pieces of software/hardware.
Now, about Comdex.
Windows/MS killed Comdex.
That aside, you'll always have an "orgy of dorks" looking for shit. The job of the vendor is to sell their product, if this includes "toys" to get our attentions, great. If not, they better have a product that will make us go "HMMMM". A lot of us notice when a company is all hype, or some substance. We just like playing to the carnival like atmosphere these things seem to have developed into now.
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
Yeah, both of them have the money to be at both, but with Comdex sucking wind some, I'm not suprised they took the trade show.
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
The simple fact of the matter is that they appear to have chosen a convention that might actually generate sales for them (like it has for my company and we still have today to get through).
Yes, they have the money. But why spend a mil or 2 on a convetion that is likely to net you -nothing- in return, especially when there's another con going on that will have reprfesentatives from companies that your new products are specifically targetting?
Get real.
Re:Yes, but at least it's acknowledged (Score:2)
Very disappointing. Based on what we saw last year, my GF, my dad, and myself had allocated the whole day for the show, and ended up leaving at noon (it opened at 10am) to go shopping in Chicago.
Re:missing companies (Score:1)
missing companies (Score:1)
siri
Wish I could have been there! (Score:2)
SuperID
Free Database Hosting [freesql.org]
Re:NO! It's called *GNU*/Linux! (Score:1)
Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
No Indrema? (Score:2)
Re:missing companies (Score:1)
Booo to comdex's free stuff (Score:1)
American Express gave you a lousy cup or cd wallet if you signed up for their ultra-high-rate Blue card.
Sun gave you a year-old tshirt (happy 5th anniversary to java or some crap copyright 2000)
One vendor, who's product I can't even remember gave you a light up bouncy ball if you let him swipe your card to add you to his spam list.
Everyone else was only giving away garbage (cd business cards, flyers, product brochures, etc)... and a few were giving away demo versions of their software.
Speaking of demos... they kids who's product rival'd VMware said that if you own a copy of VMware (retail) they will give you a FREE FULL VERSION of their software if you COPY YOUR VMWARE cd and mail it to them. Sounds kinda weird huh?
Overall spring comdex was CRAPPY for loot this year. The one in vegas always offers better loot, I'll post again after that one.
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Re:Wish I could have been there! (Score:1)
Note: the reverse is not true.
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
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Re:Wish I could have been there! (Score:1)
Me: "Tell me you're giving that away."
Blonde: "We're not giving that away."
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Reasons to go (Score:1)
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Re:rubber keyboard (Score:1)
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Linux email toaster people (Score:1)
They were the ones next to the big blow-up penguin chairs.
What company is that? I'm a bit skeptical about their system, and the guy refused to answer my questions... As soon as I asked him about security, he shyed away. (As in, blew me off.)
I forgot to take note of the name.
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Also... (Score:1)
Re:aw, nuts (Score:1)
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Re:Why vim? (Score:1)
I don't see it that way, but hey, it wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed w/RMS etc.
And he certainly didn't say anything about public domain.
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Re:Spring Comdex is a bust (Score:1)
Corruption? In Chicago? I am shocked, SHOCKED SIR!, to hear such allegations!
It's always been my impression that the "terribly unhelpful union folks tied down by arcane regulations that require a union man to plug into an electrical socket" was de rigeur at these convention places. I know it was when I went along to a show in Baltimore at my last company.
But still... corruption? Here?
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Comdex report (Score:5)
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Re:Linux is still trendy? (Score:1)
Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
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Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
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Linux is still trendy? (Score:3)
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Swag abounds? Not last time. (Score:1)
bah... Got better stuff from the Local Lug.
Re:Swag abounds? Not last time. (Score:1)
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
Look outside, let me know if you see any
Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
Yes, but at least it's acknowledged (Score:2)
Today there are more than two or three vendors and people are realizing that Linux of all flavors is here to stay.
Now, when the *BSD groups get together and put up their own wing, it will be a vertible choice cornicopia and the user will come out ahead no matter what happens.
Competition building better systems and users having choice, what a concept.
DanH
Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]
COMDEX Lady (Score:1)
If any of you happen to come across one with a missing head.... umm.... well I *think* the best way to remove the head is bend and rip. Forget using a knife, it takes too long to cut through.
I thought COMDEX was lame. I wouldn't suggest anyone under the age of 21 attending. And really the only reason I can see for attending if you are 21 or older is to drive the Mercedes (they had free test drives).
Re:Ick (or why I stopped going to Comdex) (Score:2)
Comdex -- even Fall Comdex -- is and has always been a waste of time. Having a booth is mostly an exercise in showing other companies 'we are important too'.
Personally, the only thing of value are the closed parties and hearing some trivia such as how much it costs to make something (floppy disk = $.03 + machine & moderate labor in the late 80s).
Q. Does Micrographics still host a chili cookoff? That was always a good one.
The last time I went to Comdex, I was the resident geek at a vendor's booth (PC DOS/Windows software). All I rember is that PICK software had the best booth bunnies...much an improvement over the previous year of booring but useful product demos. "Open" ment propriatory Unix at the time, and not a Gnu in site.
If there are any good times, it's now (or maybe 6-12 months ago).
rubber keyboard (Score:1)
Re:rubber keyboard (Score:1)
Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
Point two: we just had fall comdex in vegas like six months ago. Has technology changed enough in six months that people/companies can justify attending both? I'm not a comdex person so if they focus on two different things, my apologies. I spoke to a number of people who went to fall comdex...lets face it, they just went cause it was in vegas. Who the hell wants to go to Chicago? I wonder what attendance would be like if spring comdex was held in Panama City or Tampa and just happend to conincide around spring break.....
Which recruiters from Irvine? (Score:1)
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Re:Swag abounds? Not last time. (Score:1)
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Re:Grammar check (Score:1)
Re:You mean thats not the reason? (Score:1)
In fact, my company is now refocusing its sales efforts into user groups rather than trade shows. They basically found that the trade shows were expensive and produced little if any sales. The user groups, however, being focused and with more clueful people, are much more productive.
If you're a linux company out there, don't waste money on the trade shows. Stick with user groups and conferences.
Grammar check (Score:2)
The first line should read, with bold alterations:
SEWilco has a comprehensive report from the Spring Comdex show in Chicago. A good listing - the show was smaller, but I think there were still some good exhibits put on there. Click through to read more.
Slashdot writers really need to work on their grammar, and need to have an editorial review process in place.
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
Re:Comdex just ain't what it used to be. (Score:1)
Don't be giving COS ideas (Score:1)
You can try to pass an audit for OTIII2k one time, at a huge fee, and if you fail there are six new courses for you to pass.
Notably Absent (Score:1)
Among those notably absent from this years Spring Comdex:
Red Hat
Microsoft
Novell
Oracle
DEC (Although there was a lot of Compaq)
Lucent
HP
And of course, Slashdot. :-)
Re:1 9/16 (Score:1)
The NYSE moved to dollars and cents back in October or November. Since this is the big board (read DJIA), most of the newer stocks aren't listed in cents. The NASDAQ is supposed to move over to dollars/cents in the next few months. Then you can see RedHat and VALinux traded in dollars and cents rather then fractions of a long gone gold coin.
Re:Shave and a hair cut (Score:1)
Two pence none the richer.
Re:Why vim? (Score:3)
According to this page [rtr.com], Vim is public domain charity-ware. Bram Moolenaar, the creator of Vim, asks users who appreciate the software to contribute money to an orphange/hospital in Uganda.
I believe that the FSF objects to the public domain feature of the license, as it's not copyleft.
I agree with you: Vim is a great editor! It's a pity that my CS Department [umass.edu] is an Emacs zone...
Replace an OS with just a language? (Score:1)
Anyone see Leo last night? "See this! This is BASIC! You guys are stealing this!"
It's not ZDTV anymore...you can't hate me for watching it.
There was one very upsetting thing this year (Score:1)
Anyone else want to say, "Badges? Badges!? I don't need no stinking badges!"
"You can keep them, and this pen will allow you to get autographs."
"Ooh, autographs..."
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"There's no one here who's autograph I want."
"I can do a good 'Benevolent Dictator' for ten dollars, or for five, I can write up 'Cox in the Code.' "
"What can I get for a quarter?"
" 'Remeber, it's GNU/Linux.' "
There were mugs! (Score:1)
Think Binary (Score:1)
Binary builds out as 1 2 4 8...
Stocks are fractionized in halves, 1 1/2 1/4 1/8
This system doesn't merely estimate the half, but keeps very percise track as based on how the stock moves, or how fast it's bought or sold, in what size of volume, how quickly they are sold, and all that starts at the base of what the company is worth now with a projection of what it will be worth tomorrow, next week, next month, next quarter and next year.
The percision of the numbers seem useless when you hear the base of "and the stock is currently worth sixty-five cents;" however, that's sixty-five cents a share, which was bought in block of, most commonly, five hundred, so a 3/8 point change on that stock actually comes out to $121.85. That's why the really large stocks can be tracked as high 1/128, and, back before Reagonomics, some two were marked at being tracked to the 512; though, I have even seen 1024 trracking during dot-com fever.
Shave and a hair cut (Score:1)
I don't know why I didn't remember that, ah well.
What? I'm going to get moded down while everyone's playing in the Red Hat section? Yeah, right...
Re:most popular booth (Score:1)
I was really psyched to get one and shelled out the extra $100 or so the package cost. But I didn't use them for more than a week or two, even then not very often. They weren't very effective and made my head hurt. Everyone else I've known that got glasses like that didn't end up using them regularly. Just FYI
My review of comdex (Score:1)
Spring Comdex was great this year, while the overall show was slightly smaller than years past, GNU-Linux made a great appearance. With a new release by Agenda Computing of their Linux PDA As well as a booth by the Free Software Foundation Net BSD also made an appearance, with a rather informative booth. Caldera was putting on linux user classes.
Biometrics and security were hot topics with finger print scanners, retina scanners, and voice print authentifacation were being displayed. Aladdin displayed their eTokens. Firewalls were in the mass, with 7 distributers bringing products.
Among other tech interests were the Koolance systems. They had several displays of liquid cooling, including one system running submerged in some type of a liquid. X-Gaming also displayed lcd shuttter glasses which made a computer image appear 3dimenisonal.