There are many ways. I can transfer via bluetooth to a windows computer. I just copied a video I took from my iPhone to my Windows laptop. It was in .mov format, and media player plays it fine.

iPhones do use .heic format as opposed to .jpg or .png . You can get a converter at the Microsoft store. Not really an issue for people hanging out in your "walled garden. When I connect the iPhone to my Mac, it imports the images and movies into photos, then anything I do results in a jpg. Pretty much a non-issue.

Exactly, I do that with my iPhone as well. When I go on vacation, I usually take my Windows laptop along and load my iPhone pix on it. along with my DSLR pix. Then run the heir to jpg converter in the background while I read email or annoy people on slashdot while enjoying a cold brew.

As a user of Apple, Windows, Linux, and Androids, it seems at least to me that you are making what I consider minor differences, that can be overcome easily into something you consider major. And that's okay - we're all entitled to our own opinions and workflows.

The walled garden meme is a bit specious. This is a phone. When I pick it up, I just want it to work. May smartphone is in the same category as my refrigerator or automobile, only a bit more sophisticated. I like that I bring my phone near my Mac, I can operate the phone the same way as I do my Mac. Depends on what people want to do with their phones. Some want to surf porn on a toy screen, some are addicted to social media. I fear even my wife is a little bit addicted, though to a much lesser extent - she doesn't need the validation rush so many get. Me? I just use it to get texts and phone calls.

I'm not certain what you mean by marketing pressure. Did you somehow feel the need to "keep up" with the latest gizmos?

It's all a matter of opinion and temperament. I can do many things at a high level. But messing with my smartphone to do what I consider basic things - no thanks.

And my burn rate is such that these tiny benefits you speak of are rounding errors. A 99 dollar el cheapo Android versus a iPhone 17 Pro Max at ~$1200, or the Galaxy S25 Ultra at ~ $1260 doesn't mean that much.

But 99 dollars? Dood!, you need to get this one: https://www.amazon.com/BLU-Unl.... Stop wasting your money on those overpriced 99 dollar phones, You made of money or something. 59 dollars for the win. Buy smart! The best phone is the cheapest one, You can use the money you save to buy gold or coin. And you are free. 8^)

That's why I would never lock myself into a limited smart tv. Id rather grab an old laptop and use that.

Or just get a streaming "box" like FireTV or AppleTV....those generally seem work fine, have a remote and an easy to use interface.

Maybe that is why they made that Borat Manikini iSock - to hide the phone. I suppose I could go for the deep blue. But why not the black color like on the base iPhone 17?

I mean, it's a matter of personal taste, but it reminds me of attention seeking behavior. And it looks like recycled plastic from those orange traffic cones. It looks cheap.

I'll stick with them, as long as they aren't that iPhone17 orange abomination.

I'm with you on this one....WTF was up with that orange color???

That AND...no Space Grey or Black?!?!

That's pretty much one of the only things keeping me from upgrading my 12 pro max to the 17 pro max.

I'm hoping in a few months maybe they'll offer better colors....?

I tend to buy top of the line loaded ones....I'm currently on the iPHone 12 Max Pro...loaded storage available at the time...I think 1 TB?

Before that I had the iPhone 6 Plus (did they have a pro?)....and IPhone 3GS before that....

Right now, not seriously in the market....my phone still had plenty of space on it, runs as fast as I need, I don't see any speed or battery degradation on it yet.

I will admit I'm looking at the 17's camera and ability to shoot RAW video...that is starting to tempt me.

I guess my phones are not well over $1K, I generally just put it on Apple Pay, get my 3% cash back and pay it off interest free over 12 months.

I have the cash, but figure why not use "free money" if given the opportunity, eh? I keep may cash for it in an interest bearing account or invested, etc...

I frankly don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of my phone, if they think anything at all.

As I'd written earlier, I think in the US, phones are such a commodity, no one looks at them as any sort of status symbol and hasn't for a long time now...

In fact you HAVE to use external storage if you want to shoot video in RAW format.....

HTH.

Really? I would expect the opposite.

- Owners of flagship devices concerned with their image and having the latest tech would be more likely to replace devices more often to get access to the latest gear, perhaps handing the old device down to a spouse or child if they aren't getting a trade-in credi

I can't speak for places outside the US, but here....the cell phone has become some a commodity that no one here really uses or sees any of the phones as a "status symbol"....

No one pays attention to what phone you have....at least not in most of the US.

Maybe remove tariffs and have more good paying jobs, then Americans will be excited about buying a new phone, new laptop, and new car.

How about in parallel to tarrifs we have federal incentives (maybe from tariff revenues) to help businesses set up and manufacture back in the US again,with US workers with good paying jobs?

Kill two birds with one stone.....

May I ask why the fuck you seem to give as much of a damn as you do on how we live our lives here in the US?

And yes if we want things we get them.....CA wanted something...BUT they apparently didn't want it enough to secure the rights and to properly guard against overspending, etc. It looks to me that the politicians in CA wanted a boondoggle to funnel money from the public coffers more than they wanted a high speed rail system.

But that latter part is just my opinion.

But again....why are you so hyperbolic about how the US does things if you're not over here and part of us?

Live your own life...we really don't give a fuck how you want to do it....just leave us alone, you know?

You compose music on your phone? Sounds masochistic! 8^)

Tell me you have no knowledge of the Apple spectrum integration without saying you have no idea about the Apple spectrum integration.

As for image, or social clout, I don't give a damn. I use my Apple products because they work together. I bring my iPhone near my Mac, and suddenly I work the phone like I work the Mac. The integration into ApplePlay on my wife's Jeep, and my Jeep is tremendous. It knows who is driving and acts accordingly. I'm not certain, but it seems to know who is in the drivers seat when we are both in the car. So routes I take regularly show up with driving time and any traffic issues. I have AirTags for my wallet and all the other crud I lose regularly.

Do some people buy iPhones because they think it is a flex? Of course. The other side of that coin is those who buy Android because they think that is the only reason people buy iPhones. So it's a wash. You can like whatever you like, but no need to pre-judge those who do not have your opinion. There are reasons a lot of people prefer the iPhones.

Yup, my son's cheap androids have been more expensive than my overpriced iPhones for some time now.

But the fans like to compare the rock bottom Androids to the top level iPhones.

I still have my woodburning Android, it was good enough for great Grandpa, so it's good enough for me.

I don't replace my iPhones all that often, but updates supply me with new features in addition to bug fixes. The way they integrate between my cars, my computer, and my wife's iPhone is primo. I'll stick with them, as long as they aren't that iPhone17 orange abomination.