If the EU can fine or threaten to fine US companies for ridiculous reasons like the Power Jack on iPhones, it only follows that tit for tat is perfectly acceptable.

As EU people have said in if you don't want to follow our rules, don't sell or send your stuff here. What would you want to?

Waiting for the yeah buts, rotting to claim that it is only right when teh EU does this sort of thing.

If a person makes websites, they really need to have multiple browsers to check the different displays out. There are sites you can use to check multiple browsers, but ya gotta remember that you are looking at it in a particular browsers.

Anyhoo, since I won't use Chrome, I use Firefox, Safari, and Opera just as a sanity check. I didn't know Pale Moon was still around.

Most of the range anxiety goes away once you see how effective overnight charging is.

If, in fact, you are one of those lucky enough to be able to park offstreet and charge at home overnight....

Depends where in the world you live. For the hundreds of millions of people living in Europe or countries like Singapore or Malaysia, thereâ(TM)s no need for a second car. People take the train for longer journeys. I was 43, married, with two kids aged 9 and 11, before I got a first car ten years ago - and it only had a range of 90 miles. I live in north London, and we just didnâ(TM)t have much need for a car up to that point. When we went to see my parents in Manchester, it was easier to get the train.

We're talking the US...and here it's hard to get by with only 1 car per family, although it can be done.

But in most middle class and up families, eventually everyone in the household has their own car.

Exactly this. People are not buying these large EVs without mandates or subsidies

This is the US.

The govt is supposed to be answerable to the people, not the other way around.

If the EVs can't compete on price and convenience without subsidies or even worse..."mandates", then they deserve to rot and it is not the governments business to step in and force people to to buy what they don't want, or is not ready for the market to compete for the consumers money....

The implication of course being that a substantial fraction on the entire country, after their weekly 9-5 grind and school run lines to kick back, have a few beers and haul trailers all weekend!

LOTS of boats down here where I live....lots of folks haut their boats to the launches and drop/pick them up over any given weekend...and often during the weeks for some people....

Myopic to the point of sociopathy.

It's only sociopathic IF you believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that through action or inaction to go EV only...that the world willl end soon. I'm not chicken little in mentality....so,.....

However, there's no convincing you that you might be wrong or just off a bit, Your ego won't allow it....your extreme view is the ONLY view....right?

I'll add that I have zero issues with using "not the most popular" browser and email. I long ago learned that popularity doesn't mean best.

And I have too much of Google locked out to use Chrome anyhow.

And birds can indeed learn.

After which you show that respectful discourse is not something you are able to do. Got it.

And there we have it, Insults, and attempted diminishment of your "adversary". Understood, Allow me to sink closer to your level for a moment, perhaps you'll understand something at that level.

You've adequately proven that I am in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. You exist for entertainment at this point.

Yup, the flip phone will serve basic phone calls and text, and allow the parents to get in contact with the kids.

And there is one other thing. I even fall for it. An example is I was supposed to be writing up a paper yesterday about a process I came up with for dealing with a Windows 11 quirk with critical software my group was using. Get up, grab a cup, and get writing after the cobwebs clear.

Oh... an email I was waiting for. Follow that link on it. Then on the linked page, a couple more links. Then search on the topic, then a Youtube reference. Go there. Since I do research on YT, it has vids that I am naturally interested in sitting there on my playlist. Click on some.

Damn - three hours in, and on my third cup, and haven't started my paper yet. I should know better, yet I fell for the distractions. Sometimes I wonder if that is related to the concept that a lot of people have attention spans shorter than a goldfish.

Fortunately I got the paper finished after the embarrassing delay. Probably one more bad thing that the internet harms us with.

Right. A lot of people who express their hatred of people who have money, and act as perennial victims of the man, have made a bucket list of choices.

And at some level, they chose to be the victim. I've been around a few years, and I've come to the conclusion that it is easier to blame others for your failures. If you aren't making enough money, it's because this dirty capitalists are keeping you down, or your boss, or you co-workers Suzi and Billy Bob.

Has nothing to do with desire for stasis, desire to do as little as possible to exist, failure to live within personal means, inability to save.

The Slashdot Marxists heads will asplode, but Capitalism works well if it has a throttle. With no throttle, Capitalism and all other 'isms (except pragmatism) gravitate toward too much consolidation of power. So with proper regulation, pragmatism, and a societal moral compass it will work.

Yeah, the envy based class warfare is a core tenet of communism. It simply doesn't take human nature into account. Pure Communism assume 100 percent altruism, Pure Libertarianism assumes everyone is intelligent and rational, Pure Capitalism assumes everyone has a greed off switch.

Pragmatism picks and chooses from what works, and gets a lot of pushback from the competing groups.

Here is my point. Europeans are living in a glass house, and throwing bricks at their mortal enemy.

If you want to believe that Europe is teh zenith of sophistication and the most peaceful people on earth. Then I. fully support your hatred and superiority. Until. then every time you hypocrites do your thing, like turd throwing monkeys, I'll be happy to point it out. Especially when you and your ilk try to change every conversation into some anti-US rant. At that point, I'm happy to troll ya. Tit for tat, mygood man.

Same sad asshole making the same sad remarks. Don't like it? Move to Russia.

Why should I?

I live in the US.

I echo the same sentiments are pretty much most of the US...

Why don't YOU move to Russia and try to force them to go all EV...?

We know this argument is total bad faith bullshit because the same folks making it also hate and refuse to support forms of public transport or really anything that would reduce car dependency. AKA "my conservative media diet has convinced me a gasoline burning engine must be central to my personal and political self definition"

Media doesn't have anything to do with my views on this...

I just know what I've grown up with and what I enjoy and fits into my lifestyle.

I've never had to depend on public transport, and it just isn't realistically a part of my life since I do not and will not live in dense urban areas, sharing walls in apartments like college students.

I likely wouldn't mind an EV if they had a reasonably priced 2-seater sports car version...instead of family tricksters.

But aside from not offering anything I'm interested in, I don't have a way to charge at home, so not really something that works for me and there is precious little public charging infrastructure where I live...and if you cannot charge at home over night, it just is not as convenient to own and refuel as needed as an regular ICE.

I like my motorcycle too....EV cycles REALLY aren't as effective or fun as ICE ones...range sucks if nothing else.

I like what I have....I see no reason to change. I don't give a fuck about giving up my long lived and enjoyed lifestyle to "save the planet".

I enjoy my "car dependency".....it suits the way I live and how I want to live. I don't seem to be alone in this....and don't want to be 'forced' to change for other peoples' perceived reasons.