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'Battling Censorware'

Posted by jamie on Tue Apr 04, 2000 07:19 AM
from the unfair-use dept.
Lawrence Lessig has written a short and sweet essay, Battling Censorware , explaining why the DMCA allows Mattel to claim the rights to CPHack. He hits the nail on the head. I found myself reading this sentence over and over: "code that cracks a protection device is criminal under the DMCA even if the use of the copyrighted material that the code enables would be fair use."
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  • It's called a "free market", you troll! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:25AM
  • Re:I think there's a simple technical solution by David Greene (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:36AM
  • Re:Here we go again by Eccles (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:39AM
  • Renunciation of your right to free speech? by Colin Smith (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:40AM
  • Get the religious right involved by Colin Smith (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:17AM
  • Re:Paradigm Shear by Mr. Neutron (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:31AM
  • Re:Lessig for Supreme Court! by unitron (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:20PM
  • Hmm. Does this mean by pyxl (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:35AM
  • Re:I think there's a simple technical solution by demo (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:14AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by grahamm (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:59AM
  • Re:Just like the movies. by Virgil (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:18AM
  • Re:Is the government also restricted by DMCA? by zenray (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:46AM
  • Election in November, election in November (Quimby by ajm (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:34AM
  • Re:Return your barbie dolls by Kris_J (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:25PM
  • Re:Does this have effect outside America? by Kris_J (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:29PM
  • Get thee behind me, troll by TrentC (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @10:36AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by TrentC (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @11:21AM
  • Nice. by smileyy (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:34AM
  • Re:Not the sharpest tack in the corkboard, are ya? by Samrobb (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:01AM
  • Hmmmm, very interesting. by jabber (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:58AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:35AM
  • Re:Why oh Why??? by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:59AM
  • Re:AI by pilot (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:14AM
  • Re:What happened to the people? by sharkey (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:36AM
  • Re:Try this sentence by Kaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:41AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Kaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:44PM
  • Re:Try this sentence by Kaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:23AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Kaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:22AM
  • Option to run everything on homepage? by slashkitty (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:36AM
  • Re:THIS IS STUPID!!!! by Vaz (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:42AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by Aos (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:32AM
  • Re:The Problem is by Dward (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:06AM
  • Re:AI by SEWilco (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:23AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by SEWilco (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:17AM
  • Big Business vs The Little Guy by Paran (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:55AM
  • Re:The Problem is by LocalH (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:24AM
  • Trafficing in User Rights by mberkow (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:07AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mberkow (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:36AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mberkow (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:13AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mberkow (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:28AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mberkow (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:02AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mberkow (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:10AM
  • So let me get this straight.... by caperry (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:59AM
  • Re:Try this sentence by messman (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:15AM
  • Re:What happened to the people? by CharlieG (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:51AM
  • Re:Paradigm Shear by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:28AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:27AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:53AM
  • Re:AI by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:56AM
  • Re:Does this have effect outside America? by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:01AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:47AM
  • Re:Here we go again by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:08AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:16AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by mpe (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:25AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by Bruenor (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:15AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by aufait (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:54AM
  • American Apathy by CentrX (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @10:59AM
  • Re:THIS IS STUPID!!!! by CrayDrygu (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:35AM
  • Why oh Why??? by tilleyrw (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:34AM
  • Slightly Offtopic . . . by palutke (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:31AM
  • Re:Paradigm Shear by ken_i_m (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:42AM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by goldmeer (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:31AM
  • DMCA is an opportunity to create! by velosa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:16AM
  • Re:Try this sentence by bwt (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:09AM
  • Mattel... by ColonelNorth (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:51AM
  • Re:Don't restrict parenting tools by dbrutus (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:02AM
  • Why choose a software maker as censor? by dbrutus (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:27AM
  • Don't restrict parenting tools by dbrutus (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:36AM
  • Property seizure by dbrutus (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:11AM
  • Re:Roll Your Own! by dbrutus (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:46AM
  • Making it all clear by dbrutus (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:21AM
  • Re:Don't restrict parenting tools by dbrutus (Score:1) Thursday April 06 2000, @09:00AM
  • Reverse Engineering is specifically allowed by LindaAthena (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:55PM
  • Illegal to read with un-approved glasses by Tau Zero (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:33AM
  • Re:"Effective" access control by Barney (Score:1) Friday April 07 2000, @11:44AM
  • Re:Yeah, right by Borealis (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:12AM
  • Re:Yeah, right by Freedent (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:16AM
  • Re:DeCSS is stealing of the worst kind by psailor (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:17AM
  • Roll Your Own! by jmorse (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:44AM
  • One point by Arker (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:46AM
  • Re:Try this sentence by ariux (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:17AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by else...if (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:53AM
  • Re:Mattel by RickHunter (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @10:08AM
  • THIS IS STUPID!!!! by jaxon6 (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:38AM
  • Re:I think there's a simple technical solution by j0nb0y (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by jurros (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:21AM
  • Food for thought by jurros (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:41AM
  • Re:Not the sharpest tack in the corkboard, are ya? by Mzilikazi (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @08:29AM
  • You are dumb by DrSkwid (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:47AM
  • Thanks 4 the advice by DrSkwid (Score:1) Wednesday April 05 2000, @12:26AM
  • Are you the original AC by DrSkwid (Score:1) Wednesday April 05 2000, @12:49AM
  • Re:Don't restrict parenting tools by SirGeek (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:08AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by TheLaser (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:43AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by ibm1130 (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:28PM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by scott@b (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:39AM
  • You're misinterpreting the "right" to make a proft by Oofnish (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:51AM
  • Book-binding by jjsaul (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:59AM
  • Not the sharpest tack in the corkboard, are ya? by jjsaul (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:09AM
  • Re:Corkboard by jjsaul (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:14AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by lurker786 (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:19AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by YIAAL (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:23AM
  • Re:Censorware critics are statistically challenged by NI3 (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:35AM
  • The FBI, etc must LOVE DMCA by eMlliK (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:48AM
  • The relationship between Physics and Law by mrdlinux (Score:1) Wednesday April 05 2000, @08:32AM
  • Re:Yeah, right by istartedi (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:14AM
  • Same goes with CSS... by kwsNI (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:31AM
  • Re:The Problem is by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:38AM
  • Re:AI by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:46AM
  • I'm confused.... by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:36AM
  • Reverse engineering by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:03AM
  • Re:You are dumb by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:11AM
  • Re:I'm confused.... by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:14AM
  • Then we hack the output side. by qfingers (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:12AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by geekoid (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:05AM
  • Does this have effect outside America? by dannyspanner (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:58AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy - A slight correction (OT) by CptnHarlock (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:34AM
  • Extra-Territorial Legislation by DHam (Score:1) Wednesday April 05 2000, @03:11AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by JWRose (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:30AM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by clickety6 (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:51AM
  • Re:really? by pe1rxq (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @09:59AM
  • Re:really? by pe1rxq (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:30AM
  • Re:really? by pe1rxq (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:58AM
  • Response from Mattel by www.sorehands.com (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @12:01PM
  • DMCA doesn't mean you can't crack copyprotection by HuskyDog (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:13AM
  • Little Rascals by avandesande (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:58AM
  • Some Day by Lan-Z (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:32AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by KingK (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:47AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by KingK (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:51AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by beebware (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:19AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by fedos (Score:1) Friday April 07 2000, @08:24AM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by fedos (Score:1) Friday April 07 2000, @08:46AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by fedos (Score:1) Friday April 07 2000, @08:21AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by Crazy Man on Fire (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:11AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by Crazy Man on Fire (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:27AM
  • Re:Glad I don't live in the states by Crazy Man on Fire (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:49AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by Crazy Man on Fire (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:22AM
  • Re:Making it all clear by Ig0r (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @11:09AM
  • Censor this, censor that by deriliqed (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:01AM
  • Re:Corkboard by MaxGrant (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:20AM
  • Where Are The Lawyers When We Need Them? by sjritt00 (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @12:40PM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by Seqram (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:12AM
  • Re:Election in November, election in November (Qui by The Scooter King (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @01:14PM
  • Anonymous Coward is wrong about everything...read by NRAdude (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:27PM
  • Re:America uber alles? by Spudley (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:16AM
  • Return your barbie dolls by RDskutter (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @11:48AM
  • Is Missspeeling Encryption? by HerbW (Score:1) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:09PM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Effugas (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:22AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Effugas (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:54AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Effugas (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:41AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Effugas (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:47AM
  • Investigative Journalism? Ahahahaha.... by isaac (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:10AM
  • Be careful... by slothbait (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:38AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by pnambic (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:05AM
  • Re:Not the sharpest tack in the corkboard, are ya? by Genom (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:Oops, my mistake by PhilHibbs (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:18AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by PhilHibbs (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @11:26PM
  • Re:BTW, Mattel is getting rid of Learning Co. by jamiemccarthy (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:07AM
  • Yeah, right by ch-chuck (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:32AM
  • How about Lib's designating terms for <16 by ch-chuck (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:04AM
  • Re:Why choose a software maker as censor? by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:23PM
  • Monitoring works great - proof by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:40PM
  • Re:Try a different one by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:16PM
  • Re:A point we've overlooked so far by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:35PM
  • Re:Anticircumvention and swimming pool fences by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:10PM
  • Re:America uber alles? by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:13PM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:23PM
  • Re:One point by Kris_J (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:25PM
  • Re:Here we go again by M@T (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:14AM
  • What happened to the people? by lar3ry (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:55AM
  • Re:Mattel by jms (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:09AM
  • Is CPHACK an original program, or a disassembly? by jms (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:25AM
  • DeCSS/CPHack Mirrors send logs to /dev/null please by FreeUser (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:35AM
  • Re:How about Lib's designating terms for <16 by raygundan (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:45AM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by Bald Wookie (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @12:30PM
  • Phase One. by Black Parrot (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:11AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by Kaa (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:11AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by Kaa (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:58AM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by Kaa (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:42AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by MindStalker (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:07AM
  • Re:A Small Bit On Freedom by MindStalker (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:19AM
  • Re:DeCSS & CPHack aren't illegal until October! by WNight (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:05AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by WNight (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @01:25PM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by WNight (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @01:36PM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by WNight (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:17AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by WNight (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:28AM
  • Re:You Own What You Buy by WNight (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:58PM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by plunge (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @12:25PM
  • Re:Same old, same old by hey! (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:34AM
  • Re:The Problem is by hey! (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:09AM
  • Re:AI by infodragon (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:16AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by Steve B (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:01AM
  • Re:Try this sentence by kaphka (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:46AM
  • Re:Try a different one by kaphka (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:36AM
  • The Problem is by HiroProtagonist (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:45AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by radja (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:06AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by radja (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:28AM
  • Re:DeCSS is stealing of the worst kind by radja (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:55AM
  • Re:one can only hope... by radja (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:52AM
  • Re:What's wrong with hamsters? by radja (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:17AM
  • Re:Here we go again by radja (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:58AM
  • rot13 and the Halloween documents by theonetruekeebler (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:16AM
  • Re:Investigative Journalism? Ahahahaha.... by theonetruekeebler (Score:2) Wednesday April 05 2000, @05:13AM
  • Paradigm Shear by ken_i_m (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:07AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by anatoli (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:19AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by anatoli (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:10AM
  • Re:A point we've overlooked so far by G27 Radio (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:29AM
  • one can only hope... by G27 Radio (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:38AM
  • A point we've overlooked so far by ruppel (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:06AM
  • Re:Your analogy is false by TheCarp (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:49AM
  • Re:Here we go again by TheCarp (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:22AM
  • Oh, but you missed the point by guran (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:55AM
  • Re:The problem of not caring... by beagle (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:56AM
  • BTW, Mattel is getting rid of Learning Co. by shario (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:27AM
  • America uber alles? by dabadab (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:03AM
  • Re:One point by kwsNI (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:15AM
  • Re:Same goes with CSS... by kwsNI (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:52AM
  • Controll == Money by kwsNI (Score:2) Wednesday April 05 2000, @01:43AM
  • Anticircumvention and swimming pool fences by dpilot (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:43AM
  • Re:Try a different one by Anomalous Canard (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @10:28AM
  • Re:Try a different one by Anomalous Canard (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:13AM
  • Lessig for Supreme Court! by Anomalous Canard (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @06:19AM
  • Re:Try a different one by Anomalous Canard (Score:2) Wednesday April 05 2000, @08:35AM
  • Yet another misleading Slashdot story by NaughtyEddie (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:44PM
  • Re:"Effective" access control by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @10:22AM
  • Problem is: by www.sorehands.com (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @05:29AM
  • transfer by www.sorehands.com (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @12:03PM
  • Is the list encryption copy protection? by www.sorehands.com (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:59AM
  • A small victory for the truth! by -Harlequin- (Score:2) Tuesday April 04 2000, @07:01PM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:05AM (#1152955)
    This may be one the more highly rated AC posts of all time.

    Andy Walton wrote this, many years back.

    ======

    > Right. Freedom without responsibility is no freedom at all.

    And responsibility without freedom is not responsibility at all.
    Totalitarian control of human beings means the death of responsibility,
    as everyone is "just following orders."

    <engage rant mode>

    I would rather be a brain-dead junkie in a gutter with a sticky copy of
    Hustler as a result of my OWN stupidity than a clean and well-fed
    automaton in a tiki-taki house with my actions dictated by you or
    another self-anointed earthly representative of God's Will ((C), All
    Rights Reserved). I want to run through parking lots like a lunatic,
    fall and scrape my knees. I want to color outside the lines. I want to
    cover myself with lime Jello and run down the street shouting random
    lines from Finnegan's Wake (are there any non-random lines in Finnegan's
    Wake?). If I want to smack my skull against the wall, damn it, it's my
    skull and my wall. If I want to sing the Leave it to Beaver theme in
    Esperanto while whacking off with topless pictures of Sandra Bernhart
    and standing ankle-deep in a galvanized steel tub full of Kraft Honey
    Dijon salad dressing, that's none of your business.

    And if this means that I'll be shot as an anarchist when the revolution
    comes, so be it; I'd rather have the worm-eaten stench of a private tomb
    than the prim, sterile, chrome-lined common tomb which people like you
    want to make of the Earth. And when they decide that you're not quite
    orthodox enough, I'll save you the next spot over up against the wall.

    <rant mode off>

    Clear enough?
  • by Effugas (2378) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:22AM (#1152956) Homepage
    > If you help or facilitate the breaking of
    > copyright protection, you have violated the DCMA.

    This ain't nothing new, actually. Copier manufacturers, cable stealers, etc. have been getting this for years. But cable is an ongoing service; DVD's are a product you buy. The idea that you're only allowed to use a product you buy in ways that the manufacturer has deemed profitable to them--and that you're not allowed to give the manufacturer the finger--yeah, that's new.

    --Dan
  • AI (Score:3)

    by Forge (2456) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:57AM (#1152957) Homepage Journal
    Censorware is a natural application for artificial intelligence if ever there was one. In fact you cannot have effective Censorware without employing a reasonably mature AI.

    All the censorware really has to do is read through each page and look at each picture before putting it on screen to figure out whether it is porn or not. It takes some skill to know the difference between an artistic nude and a XXX pix.

    Personally I like the whole human supervision thing. Let your kids know that mom or dad or the made or big sis could just walk in and see what he is viewing before s/he has a chance to react. More importantly provide that strong moral base that lets a child not really care about porn.

    This reminds me of the situation with Alcohol. In the west liqueur is restricted from the kids. Mom and pop drink but they don't dare let the child near the stuff. The result is that he sneaks off to sip a little while nobody is looking and grows up into a drunk lying across the barroom door. Jewish kids on the other hand get wine at major feasts ( Passover, Wedding etc... ). The result is that they get to see this as something they can have if they want to but which has a foul taste. The result is fewer drunks.

    Anybody want to take bets as to the relationship between censorship and the higher rates of all sexual dysfunction in the US? If not for America, it wouldn't have occurred to me that there is a link between sex and chains.
  • Re:really? (Score:3)

    by troc (3606) <troc@ma c . c om> on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:36AM (#1152958) Homepage Journal
    It is a US law but that doesn't stop countries like the UK (where I live) to follow suit (pun intended :)


    We have our own bill of weirdness here, the RIP bill which is designed to allow aceess by the authorities of encrypted data - it's supposed to help catch rapists and child molesters etc. The out come of it is such that they can force you to hand over your keys etc or they will chuck you in gaol for a coupel of years - if you've lost or forgotten the key, you have to prove it (how does one prove they've forgotten a key?).


    Problem here is that 2 years is less that a sentence for child molesting etc.......


    For more information, go here [stand.org.uk]


    Erm, my point was that this bill will hopefully be ruled against the EU human rights acts :)


    So there you go - it's not just the States that puts out stupid, short sighted bills!!


    Troc

  • I think a more plausable attack on these lines would be "It doesn't effectively control access, because the access control is utterly undiscriminating in the case of fair use - it blocks fair use as well as unauthorised access, therefore it is not effective within the parameters that it must operate. It violates the First Sale principle."
  • by Jeffrey Baker (6191) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:17AM (#1152960)
    This in an excellent analogy. What if it had been illegal to critically examine the Corvair in Unsafe at Any Speed?

    -jwb

  • Mattel (Score:3)

    by Bob McCown (8411) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:34AM (#1152961)
    Back when the CyberPatrol thing was going on, I sent a very polite letter to Mattel telling them that I would no longer by any of their products because they were using their product to effectively censor criticism of their product etc. Finally, 2 days ago, I recieved a formletter from Mattel basically saying "for questions on our products, call this number"....

    Great public relations, ignore the problem and it'l go away....

    -=Bob
  • OK, let me see if I understand this. A child pornographer has collected a gigabyte worth of disgusting pictures. He took the pictures himself and copyrighted them. He encrypts the pictures with a weak encryption scheme and sells them to other perverts. The FBI wants to catch this sicko. Does the FBI violate DMCA if they decrypt the pictures?
  • by Kaa (21510) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:35AM (#1152963) Homepage
    In other words, Lessig was wrong, the DMCA does not prohibit fair use.

    Lessig is right. DMCA does not prohibit fair use. But (and this is a really big BUT) DMCA does prohibit unauthorized access for whatever purpose, be it fair use or not.

    Think about some beer in a fridge. You can drink the beer -- no problem, it's legal. However, opening the fridge happens to be illegal. No, nobody is trying to keep you from drinking that beer, no, no, you have full rights to this beer, it's all yours -- you just can't open the fridge.

    Kaa
  • by messman (32358) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:03AM (#1152964)
    Here is the preamble of the DMCA:

    To amend title 17, United States Code, to implement the World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty and Performances and Phonograms Treaty, and for other purposes.

    As you can see, the DMCA is the result of a World treaty on intellectual property. It is not an only-American thing. It's just that America implemented it first, but soon everybody in the World will be hit by it.

    Be prepared, and don't laugh at Americans.

  • Same old, same old (Score:3)

    by hey! (33014) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:30AM (#1152965) Homepage Journal
    <i>It's this attitude that you have a right to pirate stuff and crack other people's programs that has led to laws like the DMCA and UCITA. They were created in response to the illegal activities of computer hackers to provide a measure of security for other people's works. </i>

    This argument suffers from the same problem that every other pro-DMCA argument I've seen has.

    If these activities were <i>illegal</i>, then why why were <i>new</i> laws necessary?

    This is like the argument that without DMCA, it was legal to do the equivalent of breaking into a bookstore to steal the books. It fundamentally misrepresents what DMCA is about. DMCA is not about making piracy illegal. Piracy was illegal before DMCA, and it is no <i>more</i> illegal after. DMCA is about giving the copyright holders' lawyers more powerful tools to combat piracy.

    So far so good, but there's an old Chinese proverb: many laws make many criminals. When you hand somebody a powerful legal weapon, you have to ask how purpose specific is it? The problem with DMCA is that the tools it gives the copyright holders aren't particularly beneficial to preventing piracy, but are very powerful in restricting the normal, non-infringing and heretofore legal use by consumers. Of course, this is economically beneficial to the producers of copyrighted materials. Otherwise they would not want it so badly. However, just because it increases the profits of copyright holders is not sufficient to make it a good law.
  • by mpe (36238) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:40AM (#1152966)
    the public at large is totally unaware that their rights are being taken away. In the censoreware example, people for the most part actually think that it is beneficial for their children to have censoreware installed in public places. And like much of the everyday technology they use (toasters, cars, TVs) they expect that it will just work. It never occurs to them that it could be blocking something legitimate!

    However what is actually being taken away is the right of people to examine such products and tell people if they actually work. As I have said before I'm sure the US motor industry is wishing they had though of lobbying for the same kind of laws in the 1960's.
    Maybe in needs explaining that an absolute right to examine and critque any product is an essential part of any free society. With the only people who benefit from silencing of critical examination of any product, be it a car, a piece of software or a pen are those who produce shoddy products and falsely advertise them.
  • Try this sentence (Score:3)

    by kaphka (50736) <1nv7b001@sneakemail.com> on Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:01AM (#1152967)
    From the DMCA [eff.org], section 1201, B:
    The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) [anti-circumvention] shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title...
    In other words, Lessig was wrong, the DMCA does not prohibit fair use.

    Of course, it goes on to say that it's up to the Librarian of Congress (?!) to decide, in advance, what constitutes circumvention for the purpose of fair use. That hasn't happened yet. But then again, as others have pointed out, the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA haven't taken effect yet anyway -- not until October.
  • by CokeJunky (51666) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:45AM (#1152968)
    This kind of article scares me.

    American law has always bent the way of the corparation and ensures that they make as much money as possible, at the expense of the rights of the individual.

    The only real case hear has nothing to do with "protecting the morals of our youth"... It was a huge embaressment that a couple of programmers made a tool to render the software useless. Would you as a parent or an institution buy software that was easy to circumvent?

    I offer my congrats to the authors of CPHack on GLPing it and then seeling your "rights" to the program to Mattel, that has to be the funnyest legal hack I have ever heard of.

    Frankly what we need to protect the morals of our children are parents that actually spend time with their kids, not plop them down infront of a TV or computer as an e-babysitter. If we take the time to teach our children right from wrong in the first place, such big-brother-esque software as CyberPatrol would not be neccessary.

    If mattel wanted to "protect the morals of our children" They should pull their entire barbie line of products, for those give young girls a wrong idea of beauty, that will eventually lead to problems such as Anorexia and Bulemia. Mattel and it's group of companies sell many toys that espouse violence... Mattel has never cared about morals in the first place, only the bottom line.
  • Re:The Problem is (Score:3)

    by anatoli (74215) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:38AM (#1152969) Homepage
    If I buy a car, I can replace whatever part I want by an aftermarket equivalent. Suppose the original lightbulbs in the car cost $15 a pop and have an average lifetime of 100 hours. There's an aftermarket bulb that costs $2 a pop and have a lifetime of 10000 hours.

    Now the car manufacturer puts a little lock on the lightbulb compartment, and gives keys only to authorized shops. You say "Screw them" -- and rightly so! -- and break the lock.

    Now the car manufacturer puts a little digital lock on the lightbulb compartment. You say "Screw them"...but it's you who gets screwed. Why? Because they wrote a little haiku inside the lightbulb compartment. And you've circumvented a technological measure in order to gain access to the copyrighted work.

    Ok maybe you can prove in the court that you didn't really want to access their copyrighted work. All you wanted is to change a lightbulb. Maybe. But the lawyer will cost you much more than the lifetime supply of original lightbulbs.
    --

  • Re:Mattel (Score:3)

    by markt4 (84886) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @04:07AM (#1152970)
    Actually, now it seems to be "sell the problem and it'll go away". See this article [fool.com]. Mattel is trying to sell The Learning Company, producer of CyberPatrol.

    Let's hope that whoever buys The Learning Company has a better understanding of the value of opening the blocked sites list than Mattel did. Anybody know if the CPHack settlement was with Mattel or The Learning Company (or both)? I wonder if the terms of the settlement will pass to the company buying The Learning Company.
  • by TheCarp (96830) <sjc.carpanet@net> on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:23AM (#1152971) Homepage
    This reminds me of one of those weird little
    moments that I had last summer.

    I was walking through Harvard Square (Cambridge
    MA). I saw a man dressed up vageuly like "Uncle
    Sam" with a big pot and a sign about legalizing
    marijuana.

    I went over and threw a dollar in his pot to
    show my support, then he turned to me and said
    "good but thats not going to help much. If
    you really want to help, save up and buy us
    a Senator or two, thats how you get
    things done"
  • by TheCarp (96830) <sjc.carpanet@net> on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:34AM (#1152972) Homepage
    > For christ's sake, i thought this was america.
    > this shit pisses me off.

    You thought this was america? Well thats what
    you are suposed to think. Big money buys legal
    force. Thats the way things have worked for
    several centuries, all over the globe. Where
    have you been?

    There are basically 2 ways anything gets done in
    a republic like ours.

    1) Someone throws a shitload of money at congress
    and gets themselves what they want (common)
    or
    2) Enough people get together that the people in
    congress realise that if they do not ignore #1 and
    do what these people want, they will not be
    re-elected. (very rare)

    Barring those two, its a crapshoot of mostly
    doubletalk and bullshit to make people think
    they are making a difference.

    As RMS said in his recent interview (no I am not
    a blind RMS follower, I just happen to think he
    hit the nail right on the head) there is a big
    tendancy of people in power to ignore "individual
    rights" unless its the "right to do something
    profitable"

    (if you don't believe this...look at the absolute
    beating that Free Speech has taken in congress the
    past 5 years or so... CDA I, CDAII, Methamphetamin
    Anti-proliferation act, DMCA. The people in power
    are very willing to disregard individual
    freedom if it meets their political agenda.)
  • by TheCarp (96830) <sjc.carpanet@net> on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:44AM (#1152973) Homepage
    No no no.

    If a consumer decides, based on information that
    you give them, not to buy a product. Then you have
    not "stolen" from the company.

    The company did not "lose money" they simply did
    not "make more". No company has a right to any
    money that they do not already have.

    Under you rlogic any sort of consumer protection
    advisories should be outlawed.

    I am sorry, but a consumer has a RIGHT to know
    about a product before they buy it. They have a
    RIGHT to be able to make sure that it doesn't do
    nasty things. Furthermore, they have a RIGHT to
    NOT buy it, if they find that it does something
    other than what it is advertised as doing.

    If the company loses money because people find
    out what it REALLY does, then it is their own
    fault for making a bad product. Consumers have
    a right to know about these things.

    There is no such thing as a "Right to make a
    profit". If they want profit, they should have
    to work for it, and make something worth buying,
    not just make a bad product and supress any
    dissenting opionions.
  • by kd5biv (129563) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:55AM (#1152974)
    Anybody remember what movies were like in the 50's? A few easily offended people decided they didn't want anybody to see anything naughty at the picture show, and so the movie industry had to put up with a couple of decades of official censorship by people whose self-appointed duty was protecting the morals of our innocent children.

    Let's hope it takes them a little less than 20 years to realize they're making the same mistake ..
  • by anatoli (74215) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @03:02AM (#1152975) Homepage
    to the DMCA problem.

    What is needed is a programming language that closely resembles English (or other natural language). Not like COBOL, much closer. So closely that programs in that language would be (mostly) correct English texts. It is not necessary that this language will be easy to program in. OTOH it should be very easy to read what is written in it, even for non-programmers.

    Here's how it should look like:

    1. Let X be content of file "censorware.exe"
    2. Let Y be byte number 2745 of X
    3. Let Z be Y added with 73091
    4. Let T be byte number Z of X
    Publish that in an (hypothetical) Online Journal of Applied Cryptology (a refined version of sci.crypt [sci.crypt]).

    Now that's speech, isn't it?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer. I'm not even an American.
    --

  • by Effugas (2378) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:57AM (#1152976) Homepage
    [Damnit. Two really bitter Slashdot posts in a row. This doesn't bode well.]

    You know, the more I think about this, the more I'm beginning to realize this is really the argument we need to start making.

    There are lots of complicated arguments I could make, but I think I'd rather just leave it at--

    If I bought it, it's mine. If I want to sell it, it's mine to sell. If I want break it into little tiny pieces, if I want to put it in the microwave, if I want to worship it as a proclaimation that God himself is going to touch down in a UFO on Main Street at 2:48PM, damnit, I don't need whoever sold it to me's permission to believe in whatever the heck I want to in their product!

    See, that's the nice thing about capitalism. There's no central planner to say that you have to sit here, or go there, or be nice. There's no excessive transmission of executable context, to speak in geek terms. You pay the cash, you get the product.

    Without passing judgement on the rightness or wrongness of communism, there's some delicious irony in that while Open Sourcers are supposedly the biggest backers of communism, we're the ones screaming our brains out over software freedom while the biggest companies in the world lick their chops on the concept of being The Central Planner.

    After all, what are these newfangled "circumvention-resistent" devices but a yoke against which our core freedoms as consumers are jerked away? Imagine, for a moment, that Master(a fine purveyor of padlocks) was powerful enough to extract a licensing fee from any makers of lockers, safes, and doors. Imagine you needed to prove, *to the lock*, that the object it was being placed on was licensed before you'd get your key.

    Lemme tell you what'd happen, real quick: People would figure out how to bust the key--which they bought, when they bought that lock--out, so they could go about their business of doing whatever they damn well pleased with *their* *property*.

    The only reason these laws are getting passed is because people seem to think this is limited to just tech stuff.

    We're talking about *basic* *freedoms*, here. We're talking about *the right to private property*. When I buy a master lock, I buy the lock, and I buy the key.

    When I buy a DVD, I buy the lock, and I buy the key. They're right there on the disc. Sure, they're made difficult to get to, but I've got 80 head screwdrivers for the reasons of custom screw designs *BUILT* to make it difficult for me to get to things. But ya know what?

    If I wanna break my car, it's my car to break. If I wanna throw my DVDs in the Microwave, it's my aluminum to fry. If I wanna use the keys on that disc for something The Manufacturer Just Wouldn't Approve of, damnit, it's my disc, they sold it to me, they took my money, they can go away. If I steal the keys off of some DVD I haven't bought, then I'm a thief. If I use the keys on some DVD I bought...

    THOSE.
    WERE.
    MY.
    KEYS.

    I'm going to sleep. Maybe when I wake up this nightmare of idiocy will be over.

    Yours Truly,

    Dan Kaminsky
    DoxPara Research
    http://www.doxpara.com
  • "code that cracks a protection device is criminal under the DMCA even if the use of the copyrighted material that the code enables would be fair use."

    `Sec. 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems

    `(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES- (1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.
    The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.
    (emphasis added)
    Full text:

    http://www.eff.org/pub/Intellectual_property/DMCA/ hr2281_dmca_law_19981020_pl105-30 4.html [eff.org]



  • by raygundan (16760) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:32AM (#1152978) Homepage
    The largest problem facing those of us who are aware of issues like this (Censoreware, DVDs, the DMCA in general, etc...) is that the public at large is totally unaware that their rights are being taken away. In the censoreware example, people for the most part actually think that it is beneficial for their children to have censoreware installed in public places. And like much of the everyday technology they use (toasters, cars, TVs) they expect that it will just work. It never occurs to them that it could be blocking something legitimate! In the case of the DVD issues, very few americans have any need to play a DVD from another region. After all-- our region sees *almost* all of the movies (there are quite a few Japanese imports I would love to get my hands on, but the average American isn't interested) they would want to see. And how many non-geek friends who want to play DVDs do you know that have ONLY an unusual OS and a DVD-ROM? Not many.

    I'd really like to know how we can get a clear, concise, understandable explanation out to the public that will motivate them! I've tried explaining the DVD issue to people, and mostly they don't care one way or the other. When it comes to censoreware, they are a little more concerned, but it always comes back to "I'm not affected, and it's probably good for my kids."

    Ideas are welcome! If you've had success getting these points across, let me know!
  • by 348 (124012) on Tuesday April 04 2000, @02:40AM (#1152979) Homepage

    Now that we've done all the complaining about the law and the DCMA, next step is to get involved.Here's how, Constructive communication to the folks who can make a difference beats whining every time.

    Electronic Frontier Foundation [eff.org]
    US House of Representatives [house.gov]
    US Senate [senate.gov]
    Global Internet Liberty Campaign (GILC) [gilc.org]
    Internet Free Expression Alliance (IFEA) [ifea.net]
    Digital Future Coalition (DFC) [dfc.org]
    TRUSTe Privacy Policy Certification Program [truste.org]

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