Absolutely. Every single problem I ever had with Windows was my fault. I supported Windows for years, and not once mind you not once ever was any of the problems that I mentioned with Windows ever anyone's fault but mine. A computer could be sitting in another building, an update bitches it up, and somehow, some way, it was my fault.

I know the drill shillboi. Windows can never fail - only we can fail Windows.

Which is why I switched to Unix like systems, where I'm nowhere near as stupid.

A circular argument.

Yow. So if a person has never heard of a "God" they have faith in something they don't know about? All the word smitihng doesn't convince me that there can be faith in "nothing" if a person is inclined to be an atheist.

And that is the issue I have with the people who do have "faith" in an intelligent entity that created the universe. I am an atheist in "universe creators" Even ones who I've never heard of. Having faith that things I've never heard of that don't exist just seems like dividing by zero.

In that respect, any atheist who is intellectually honest would be classified as agnostic.

I cannot say for certain that when I die, I won't meet the Judeo-Christian God, Dagon, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I consider each an equal possibility, as in near zero.

And it's too bad, I would like to meet Ganesha. That's my idea of what a God should be.

Smart man. Since guns were an integral part of his life, he knew that you were going to be curious, so he taught you respect, and allowing you to sate that curiousity, kept you from being tempted to sneak it out by yourself. Let you know it could do great harm, as well as be a very interesting device, I would bet.

My son and I are lucky to have a tremendous outdoor range just a few miles from my place. So we hit there every so often to target shoot and relax.

Now you lost me. Let's make a comparison I also make reflector telescopes as a hobby, and have even silvered my own mirrors. Great fun, and tests your skills at working with chemicals. But there are some seriously nasty chemicals in use. Nitric acid, Ammonium hydroxide which comes in little pellets that look like candy ,(who the hell though that was a good idea) and silver nitrate, which is more messy than lethal, but still poisonous, plus invert sugar and citric acid, just to mix food items in that nasty cocktail.

Until my son was old enough to know Never ever mess with this stuff, you can damn well be assured that it was locked up.

Two other items where a gun safe isn't at all insanity:

If you have visitors with children, are their children going to be properly trained in the safe use of firearms? If I have 'em locked up, I don't have to insist all visitors to the house have passed a firearms safety course.

I also have some friends with a lot of firearms. Collectible stuff, one might have around 100 kilobucks worth of guns. Just leaning really valuables in the corner, isn't that good of an idea, and thieves might find his place a good target. So what do ya do? A dedicated room, and yeah, with locks on the door. I can't state for certain, but I'll bet that is a requirement for insuring the collection

So you can go ahead and think I'm nuts. I'm not about to re-arrange my life around my firearms. I'm not about to screen visitors to the house for gun safety smarts. When My son was a child, I wasn't about to trust his friends with firearms when they visited.

Training young people in firearm safety and locking the things up when you aren't using them is not a mutually exclusive situation.

How are you "Endlessly trapped on Lion?"

Apple released the OS X 10.9 "Mavericks" for FREE over a year ago. One of the design criteria for Mavericks was that it would install on any Mac on which Snow Leopard would install. Since you said you were "stuck on Lion" (10.7), which is already 64-bit only, why would this be of concern to you?

Sorry dude. I do it. If you live in a place where you have to have your gun instanly ready, you need to live in a concrete cage, in a safe room, in a gated community, with 24-7 surveillance. As for the police, I've worked with a number of them and personally know so many of them in my county that I'm almost immune from jury duty.

One of the constants that I see in all the gun nuts is that they are some of the most fearful people I have ever met. It takes a whole lot of fear to have to have a loaded gun at the ready 24/7.

So let me get this straight. You are okay with people getting killed for basically nothing? And most very sincerely, if you think that some sort of biometric defeats hte very purpose of having a gun, you also don't have ignition key or locks on your doors. They control access. But a gun? Completely differnt matter.

So does a safety defeat the purpose of owning a gun?

Explain how this is going to cost billions of dollars.

Explain what you want to spend billions of dollars on to save lives.

You'll have a difficult time, because you are trying to argue about "number of lives", when you are actually afraid that any change, any tiny thing you do, is going to allow the guvmint to take your guns away.

Anyhow, I expect an answer on the billions it will cost, and how many billions you suppport to be applied to the deaths that you actually give a fuck about.

A thousand times THIS!

I don't have daughters, but I would die long before I would offer them as pedophilic rape objects.

And your acceptance of it all is exactly why I find Fundamentalists morally evil.

Odd, that in your mind, you are of high moral character, doing God's work, and to be rewarded upon your demise with everlasting life.

And I think you are an immoral prevert.

Re-read my post. I wasn't claiming faith for myself, but the person I was responding to.

I'm not confused of anything. You want belief to be translated as faith. Many people also want theory translated as conjecture. But that's not what it is. And you don't get to define it.

That's the problem. You don't get to tell me that what are two different things is only one thing.

I believe that you insist on defining words for other people, the insisting that they agree with your definition. I don't go around telling you what you think.

So when was the last time you prayed to a process?

I'm not even close to following you. The closest I can get is that you think if I say "Common sense is uncommon", or "The early bird gets the worm", I have faith in that, and therefore religion? That is pretty bizarre.

So in your world, now those kitschy needlepoint signs saying "Home is where the Heart is" is evidence of atheists having a religion? Good grief man, I see a simple statement of comfort with familiar surroundings and loved family members, and you see it as faith. Your definition of faith is spreading to encompass everything in the universe.

Not specifically "fact" I I noted before, I believe the earth will rotate in it's travel around the sun, and we will experience a sunrise. That's belief. Seasons will come and go in large part because of the way the earth is tilted as it travels aroud it's orbit. I believe all that.

Once upon a time and well before celestial mechanics were known, people prayed that the Sun would "rise" and that the seasons would happen as they wanted. They had faith that th esun god would return and ride across the sky. But they had to do everything right in order for him to do it. That's why they were so frightened during eclipses. But that's all based on faith in a deity. No proof needed.

But kind sir, are you keeping track, and if people bing killed aren't on say the top two, it's just fine that they are killed? No problem? I don't want people killed in car accidents either, or being strangled by an anaconda or ripped apart by a deranged chimpanzee. Not many killed by wild animals kept as pets, but we have laws against keeping dangerous wild animals in many places for that reason. And I'm not even arguing about anyone's rights to have firearms, I use and enjoy them myself. I just think irresponsible people should bear the responsibility when their stupidity kills other people. But in some people's world, even prosecution of willful negligence is apparenlty off limits when it involves a firearm.

You see, you ask "Why the focus on guns?" I might ask why some people don't want any focus at all on guns.

But in easily preventable accidents, it would seem like a great way to cut down on some deaths. Firearms are really cool, and a lot of fun. But they are designed to kill things, so maybe we should make certain everyone is careful with them.

Very good point, and I should have remembered that. When I was in Boy Scouts back in a more sane age, was my introduction to firearms. Single shots, and .22 shorts of course.

Our instructor was severely no bullshit, and if you weren't paying attention, you had no chance of getting a Marksmanship badge until next year, because that was the next timw you were allowed on the range.

I enjoyed that so much that there was no way I was going to take a chance of getting kicked off the range.

I was hoping somone would catch that. After all a good pun is it's own re-word.