"I take it you don't get a salary? That you get paid by the second?"

I'm an "exempt" employee in California. Salary for over 2 decades.

I also turned down a company car to use my own. I get paid for "miles". $0.70 per. I do not get paid miles going to my office-- but from my office to any given site. At least during M-F. Sometimes I need to hit a site on the weekend, and miles start the moment I leave the driveway of my home.

There is zero expectation that my 8 hours start when I start my drive in to the office. It starts when I arrive. And yes, it's not uncommon (particularly during projects) that I work well over 8 hours. When that happens, we get comp-time at some point in the future.

Hey uh, speaking of parking..I wasn't paying attention when that corporate email went "ding" while I was shoving my dong. Didn't pull out in time 'cause email distracted me. Can I haz child support now?

(I think I'm going to file a class-action lawsuit. Against class-action lawsuits. Gonna put my money on who wins by losing the most leastest.)

Unnecessary commuting is one of the biggest contributors to carbon emissions, and covid proved that with significant drops in co2 emissions when people were working from home. There needs to be regulations to prevent employers from forcing unnecessary commuting, such as:

Right to work remotely unless it can be proven that your job absolutely requires presence in a specific location. Make commuting time work time, requiring employees to be paid for it. Tax employers based on the number of commuting hours across their employee base. Require employers to offer relocation assistance for permanent employees who absolutely need to be in a specific location. Flexible/staggered hours so employees can avoid peak travel times.

To summarize, the clocked work time need time managers, whereas the tasks oriented work requires projects managers.

Cadena v. Customer Connexx LLC: Employees (call reps) spent 6–12 minutes booting up computers, logging into soft phones/VPNs, and clocking in before shifts; similar time shutting down after clocking out. Out of curiosity, how much are you paid per minute?

Cases like this should never be brought, and the lawyers who take them are despicable; they're one reason why we can't have nice stuff, as the saying goes.

This will consume court time, consume the time of people FORCED into jury duty (for which they will not be properly compensated, and ironically, on the demand of people claiming to be improperly compensated). It will add another layer of self-defensive activity to corporate America which is already up to its collective eyeballs in such unproductive garbage only needed to hold-off lawyers... It will add a microscopic additional cost to everything (which is indeed barely measurable in itself BUT adds onto all those other microscopic cost additions that end up being, in total, significant).

Basic question for the griping bank employees: Did you ever sue the bank for the time it takes you to commute to and from the job while working in-person? Surely THAT time took longer for most people and was also uncompensated. Of course, had they tried a lawsuit for THAT time, they probably would have been laughed out of the lawyers' offices because pretty much EVERYBODY has that particular uncompensated overhead in their jobs.

Does every computer need to be managed though? Isn't there value in saying, for some subset of users, "you're using Linux, you're on your own for security updates and you're responsible for your machine's security"? Possibly with some guidelines and recommendations.

Or perhaps a more interesting question: where is the evidence that enterprise-level management of PCs saves more money than it costs?

... with a Linux setup on her brand new good Lenovo laptop with the lates W1ndows pre-installed. Backed up her Thunderbird Mail directory, wipe-installed Mint Linux and set it up in a few minutes. The difference in boot time and responsiveness is night and day.

I started at a new company a year back and hat one of their Win Laptops for a few weeks before my dev MB Air arrived. The system was so finicky to the point of being unusable. I was speechless. I fundamentally don't get why people even use W1ndows for regular stuff these days. If all you need is Mail, Web and some digital project and content management. there is absolutely no need for anything other than a lean modern Linux. The last version of W1n that I used for anything meaningful was Win2k and that was just about 25 years ago.

Totally bizarre.

People expect to be paid for commute time too, at least in the sense that they will want more money if the commute is longer. Work from home made just coming to the office at all something which people want more money for.

I stand by my comparison. If the tool I'm provided is an employer-provided workstation, I should get paid the moment I start using it. If the tool I'm provided is a citrix session across a secure connection, I should get paid the moment I connect to it from my home PC.

Don't like the commute analogy? I would suggest that analogies are never "perfect" or "exact" -- they basically highlight similar bits of two different things to HOPEFULLY illustrate some concept or idea. If you are expecting it to be a 100% match, I think you might be misunderstanding what an analogy is.

Melodramatically complaining about a 0.1ms

You have to know it takes much longer than 0.1ms to receive the SMS text messages containing a token.

Anyway it doesn't matter if it's 0.1ms or 8 hours. Wages are required to include all time spent on work-related activities required by the employer, and rounding of times can only be performed when the system is both reasonable and does not consistently disfavor the employee.

Consistently shaving off a second of an employee's compensated time per day from when they are working is still an unlawful thing worthy of liquidated damages, and it will add up to numbers given enough days.

With a decent SSD and a decent CPU. I would not put it past some companies to still be running with CPUs that barely pass minimum requirements and using the slowest HDDs.

Not how it works. Until you cross into their building, not on property, it's just you commuting to work on your own dime.

Trip and break your hip in the parking lot before work? Not work related. I definitely think it *should* be, but it isn't.

if you knew the terms for which you're being paid why did you stick to the job longer than say 4 to 8 Because you need money for you or your family to survive, possibly. And it may take you MUCH longer than 8 weeks to successfully obtain a replacement role that is any better.

It doesn't matter.. It is illegal for the employer. Not the part about waiting for Windows to boot, but failure to start the work clock including the time when the employee's duties start -- which includes all time taken for all necessary preparations required by the employer (including time for security checks, boot, etc), even though it is before they can start taking calls or working on their assigned tasks.

The one possible upside is that it could set a precedent, and prevent other companies from pulling the same crap in future.

Although it should be obvious, if you're carrying out tasks that your employer has instructed you to perform then you're working and should be paid for the time. If those processes are time consuming it's the employer's fault and their own time they're wasting. Once they can no longer pass the costs of that inefficiency onto employees they might actually do something about it.