So that the employer can reduce payroll by not hiring people who live rather than Xmiles. Now tell me about employees who walk to work, or drive a car that gets good gas milage, or an electric vehicle or takes a bus, or takes a subway, then walks, or drives to the NYC Port authority, then takes a bus, then takes a taxi, or takes the subway. Or bikes to work. Made even more complex by the idea that people should be paid their hourly - making it a tap-dance - you want horly pay? Seems like someone with a two hour commute would be making good money for half his day, doing nothing. Or of course, working an 8 hour day, the ride home would be paid overtime.

I think what you think is logical is a wildly complex system, and almost impossible to implement.

You technically are not working when at home off hours outside employee supervision just coming up with ideas on your own, unless the employer has written a very distinct arrangement with you into a contract.

I exactly am doing work that is intrinsically tied to my profession. I don't expect paid for it, but if I didn't dream the solution the solution might not be had.

I'll bite - how do you prove that you spent 2 hours 15 minutes and ten seconds on that commute you believe you should be paid for? tracking your car or otherwise location? Text Message? There is another whole world besides punching a time clock. If your arcane solution would be taken to force hourly workers paid for their commute, the response would be to put just about everyone on a salary system, or payment by task system.

The crazy part is that Jaguar car demographic used to be guys like me. A bit of success, some discretionary money. Now they've pivoted to young androgynist urbanites that hang out at trendy clubs, and dress "interestingly". How many of that demographic has the money? There's a saying, "Don't abandon your core demographic, and replace it with nothing."

Jaguar kind of shit the bed here, they've now fired their CEO and the ad agency that came up with that abomination.

Meanwhile sister company Land Rover is doing well with their unchanged, un-abandoned demographic.

True dat. Generally, Apple products are done with some taste. I have 4 Macs, 2 iPads, and 2 iPhones. I'd think long and hard about buying them if I thought that stupid sock represented users. Oh, and then there is the orange iPhone. The pumpkin spice of iPhones.

Yoko Ono approved! They need to pair that weirdness with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

I hope they don't mind being laughed at for the stupid looking things. As pretty as a Tesla Cybertruck.

In days of old, when nights were bold,

With condoms not invented,

They tied a sock, around their cock,

Then babies were prevented.

There are lots of reasons to own an iPhone. I don't think an iPhone "sock" is one of them. And damn, I think more people are going to laugh at the tool that owns one than think "Ooooo, that's really cool! Even their models wearing it for the photos look like they fear the ridicule.

I get strong New Jaguar vibes out of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Your comment and your sig line fit perfectly!

There are many different situations. Your cut and dried example is just an example, not a universal.

And no you don't get to content cop me. The conversations have been widespread, so I address them. There are some here who want paid per mile of driving. Some who want paid for their commute to work. So yeah, I'm going to go along and ask the hypotheticals.

Including the salaried guy who does get paid for his travel, 70 cents per mile.

Finally, my contract that I was working on before my present position stated that if I regularly work more than 50 hours a week, I get paid overtime based on a simple calculation. Still salaried though. If I don't go over regularly, the paychecks stay the same.

And if I might correct you. I signed in and out. And our timecards are audited, and compared to the signing and sign out sheets. If they don't match - if I claim X hours, but not signed in. I got docked. And if the opposite is true, if my sign in and sign out times show I worked over 50 hours regularly. I got paid extra.

My present situation has renumeration that is task based. That's a lot simpler. Even then, it is a hybrid. I'm paid as an independent contractor, but have their HR and accountants do all my W2 and deductions. There was a case at an earlier, different workplace I was at, many years ago in the 80's, where the auditors decided that the exempt people were being abused, and made that company pay them overtime for every hour over 40 based on the sign in sheets. Perhaps things are not as cut and dried as you believe.

If I might be blunt - we have some experts on the law in here, who might not know the exactitude of every situation, even though they express great authority. I wouldn't even have said that, but you declared me irrelevant.

I wasn't suggesting that. I was making the comparison that those practices would be in the in the same school as wanting paid for the commute to work. But let's analyze this a bit.

One of my biggest tools I use is "dreaming the solution". It's a strange thing. I've used it to grok solutions to very complex problems. The wife has become used to me bolting upright in bed... "Fixed another problem, hon?" It's not something I control, but it is doing WFH. (half my work is WFH)

So, if I was paid for time worked, Is that time I needed to be paid for? It isn't an instant process either. It's like running a computer overnight to do computation intensive work. Wonder if I would have to be woken up to take a break?

Anyhow, I love posting hypotheticals. What if no one posted hypotheticals? (ducking)

True, dat.

Once upon a time, those burger flipping jobs were considered as starter jobs. Outside of manager positions, they weren't career choices. We really need to go back to that, since some today are trying to make the drive through window at BK a career.

Reminds me of a co-worker back around 1980. Engineer who was making 6 figures a year. In 1980! At that point, I was making ~15K per year.

A good engineer, nice guy, but he was constantly bellyaching about not making enough money, not having enough money, How sad life was that people aren't paid enough. Meanwhile, I was doing okay. Wife was working, but because she enjoyed it. I was even saving money. How could this be?

It's all relative. Since we worked together and were friends, we compared notes. He bought as much house as he could afford +, had a wife who demanded it be in the best neighborhood, and who liked her expensive clothing and other social accouterments. He was happy to play the keeping up game. He was prone to impulse buying, and wasn't in the habit of budgeting. Checking account dangerously close to 0. No savings.

Meanwhile, my newly minted wife and I were managing to live modestly yet nicely, and were even saving. She's really good with money, and I'm an inveterate planner. Some say to a fault.

All relative, he had so much trouble grokking that I could do that.

Meanwhile I could still live comfortably off 80 K per year today. 45 years after this guy couldn't live off 30K more than that. Some people will be broke no matter how big their paycheck is.

I've never worked at McDonald's, but I worked at pizza places while in Jr High.

And how did you know I have way too many computers!? 8^) Wife just put me on a computer moratorium for a couple years. Can't blame her. I do have a fault of liking my tech-toys.

I prefer simplicity. In my present work, I'm paid by the task - the day after the task. I told them the amount I wanted on the Check. They take care of the details to make certain the all the other items deductions, SS, and taxes.

I like things simple. I really don't deal with milage, or all the other things I consider minutiae. I deal with simple numbers. What this means is not filling out milage reports and the other stuff that clutters up to work. Perhaps I'm eccentric. But I like simple because my actual work is quite complex.

Is his mom gonna keep the baby?

So there needs to be a law that says a mine worker or factory worker or roughneck, or grocery store worker has to be proven to need to travel to the mine or factory or oil drilling rig?

There is a whole world out there that isn't Programming or remote IT. Probably most work. Now that said, I think a lot of people in here should be required to never go to a workplace where there are other people. Y'all are mighty bitter in here, and it probably wears on people.