Methinks KATE was repurposed from its former role of predicting ocean level rising.

Which is fine in social media, but it's also the case at my workplace!

The District of Columbia might be a counterexample of that.

I guess you're saying the lower levels of governance would have the militias and the territory to support them, and the higher levels wouldn't, and the lower levels would use them against the higher levels if they overstepped their levels of what they were responsible for handling.

Seems like some lower orders might side with an overstepping higher order, for competitive gain. Civil wars might be occasional rather than practically never.

So these quarantine containers won't be needed by our troops being sent there, because they won't be working with people directly, just handling their bodily fluids. That's a relief!

Holy crap, apparently it's a colloquialism for a large, sprawling set of freeway onramps and offramps! Now that I'm looking at the pattern, I think I know where a half "cloverleaf interchange" is in my area.

That's okay, we're never been on the same wavelength (like for example, doesn't it seem like this got strayed awfully far from what I was posting about, or what you journaled about in the first place?).

Fine, you can't do an aircraft carrier as a craftsman. But you can do it as craftsmen. Vice say how AFAIK auto assembly is typically done, for example where one guy is responsible for bolting in the right front seat, and that's all he does, all day long.

Wondering what this has to do with scaling the society in general, and in particular how it prevents or mitigates a class struggle from emerging.

(If I've been intruding, and you're really only interested in talking with DR about things under this topic, just say so. It's your journal, you should get to do as you please with it, and I'll apologize for... not being able to read your mind! ;)

p.s.:

"put in a cloverleaf at your intersection of choice"? What. The. Fuck!?

I used to be floored by your astounding level of obtuseness, and not in a good way. But now I'm in amazement of it! :)

I wonder what technology you're thinking of that is too taxing on the human brain to be done by one person. Or what you're thinking is solved by people specializing more than we already are.

I'd like to see us instead being a craftsman society. Then maybe there'd be pride in quality. I'd rather things lasted and repairs were cheaper than a higher initial cost, vice cheap junk that we just throw away when it breaks. Capitalism on its own will make everything, and everyone, disposable. People ought to watch out for that.

I also wonder how all of this prevents a class struggle from emerging.

Maybe you meant to answer someone else, as I made no reference to a problem of scale. But on that topic of your link, of division of labor, I side with Karl Marx. Capitalism's "progressive" force towards never-ending greater and greater efficiencies, no matter how dehumanizing, is a major downside of this economic system that needs to be kept thoroughly in check. Capitalism should serve us, not the other way around.

And I have no idea what that other stuff means.

I don't get it.

A la what I posted in smitty's latest JE, I don't think there's anything that can limit your "limited but strong", given human nature.

Even when you start with an uncomplicated arrangement, of society into a single order, some part of it has to have power over the rest, to maintain and enforce the rules of the society.

But people will always strive to live a more comfortable life. With a tap into the wealth of all, necessary to support governing operations, greed (the bad kind) eventually compounds until it manfests in the governing sector of the society granting more exclusive privileges to itself than the ones it started with that were necessary for it to do its special job.

When awareness of this inevitably grows, it attracts more and more people to want to join them, who then implement more of exactly what they got into it for, causing a snowballing of growing wealth and privilege in that sector, transforming it into an order of its own.

And consequently it repulses some people, who oppose and resist the others' growing privilege over them and at their expense.

I don't see how it cannot be the case that the real class struggle is and will always be between the governors and the governed, where economics is just one facet of the issue, and not the actual issue itself.

But "limited but strong" may be an oxymoron. How you do keep them from gradually intervening more and more, if they're strong? Or I guess how do you keep them from getting stronger?

p.s. And I don't mean to imply anything like I think it's like Lefties' stupid idea of a "hate crime", where somehow the crime is worse if there's something more sinister going on behind it. The damage is the damage, so the crime is the crime. Being primarily motivated by trashing the system versus primarily by empowering oneself doesn't make the crime any worse. It just means there's something additional the voters ought to be watching out for from that "representative".

It's not near as sinister as intentionally trying to give capitalism a few good licks, because one despises it. But it is criminal.

Not to me. To me, "Left" and "Right" have rich and highly contrasting meanings. I might partially agree however on the "Democrat" vs. "Republican" thing, esp. since non-Progressives are such pariahs in both parties (if they exist at all anymore in the D's). And while I might agree that the Progressives in each have both targeted constituencies for votes and cash (kinda redundant, since both are loosely "speech" when it's about politics), less so on the carving and harvesting, as I consider the GOP to have been/be doing a very poor job of building up or maintaining their target GOP Progressivism -sympathetic constituency.

I.e. I while I think there's some truth in what you're saying here, I don't think they're really equivalent enough to be "equivalencing" them like that. (Considering the two sides as basically equivalent can also be a "cheap distraction", seemingly only perpetuated by one side, while they lunge for your wallet and rights.)

A club was never meant to be used as a scalpel. I just love it when Conservatives talk about how unanalytical or how untruthful some position or approach on the Left is. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY OF THOSE THINGS!!! It's just supposed to win them power (so that ultimately they can perpetually chase after every one of their stupid ideas of "fairness"). Lefties don't give two shits about ethnic minorities; it's just about handing out from amongst a set of goodies, to cobble together enough of a coalition to grow their powerbase. Once the Left completely owns things, it won't matter if your skin is purple and your sexual preference is for pandas, you'll be robbed from and redistributed to just the same as everyone else.