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Comment Re:do they have a progressive view? (Score 1) 336

The solution to Detroit's problems is what the voices in my head tell me "no Texas in Michigan", and what they really mean by that is "no taxes in Michigan." All you got to do is set the corporate tax rate to something like 0.00005%, or even -0.00000003%, i.e. a rebate) and personal income tax to something like half or quarter of what it is now, and watch the entrepreneurs like chip companies and their employees from around the world flock to Michigan, and fix the state budget through their 7 or 8% sales tax. Unfortunately this is not completely good news to the present population becoming displaced by the "more skilled" and educated attracted by the scent of honey, because they will be displaced, like native americans were displaced, and only later did they reap the benefits of simple things like having a horse, or a gun - there were two sides to being displaced, the positive, and the negative. Unfortunately the chip companies cannot rely on present Michigan workers, because they cannot follow simple instructions to the letter, because in making a chip not a single mistake is allowed in a sequence of thousands of steps, or each mistake is very costly, and the discipline required in a micron filtered dust free environment is tremendous. Only the best military boot camp trained people can function in such an environment, or people from Korea, Japan, or Taiwan, who take their job and follow orders just as seriously without any formal military training. In fact that's one of my biggest deficiencies, not having been through such a bootcamp, and I cannot follow simple instructions either, make mistakes left and right. One possible way for people(about to be displaced if taxes are lowered) to crawl out of the being on welfare desperation without any prospect of a job, is to sign up for private prisons, without commiting a crime, and work as prison laborers, for $1/day, having communal housing and communal dining and bathroom facilities, just like it's done in China with pretty much all labor, which there is nonprison. Such prison situations avoid the minimum wage issues that hinder American competitiveness in the global marketplace, a minimum wage which is by the way unfairly low when you consider the cost of educating 3 kids and paying for gas and mortgage. We're trying to pretend that $900/mo is a fair rent or mortgage in face of $8/hr minimum wage and $3.50/gal gas commute, and food prices dependent on that 4/gal diesel trucking cost. So people could sign up for prison, but be allowed to leave any time they wish if they haven't commited a crime, and in fact it could be used as consideration, crime equity, against some future petty crime, such as shoplifting, but not capital crimes, such as violence. You also cannot raise your kids under such circumstances, so you have to find someone like grandparents, or one of the two parents doing the childraising, while the other works, just like it's done in China, where parents see their kids raised by the grandparents once per year on their yearly 1 week vacation when they can visit their hometown or village hundreds of miles away from their jobs. So the people not doing any child raising or at least one of two such people could get off welfare and pay for their own cheap housing and food this way, keep busy with something like making a broom, and enjoy each other's company. In prison solitary confinement is considered a harsh sentence, and out in the real world a lot of people on welfare are stuck with a very small circle of people in their lives out of necessity, solitary confinement by necessity, but there are some people who prefer solitude even if not necessary. So these people could keep looking for a job while in such a prison, and of course this means they'd be stuck for 30-50 years in this "looking for a job" situation while working as prison slaves, but I had personally much rather be a prison slave than be sitting on welfare, and be chastised by people who don't really understand my situation that I'm lazy and the only reason why I don't have a job is because I'm lazy and I'm not looking hard enough to find one. Shawshank Redemption is a good movie about institutionalized life, and how getting out on parole leads to suicide. People would rather work for a dollar a day, or even nothing, as long as they have a clean place to sleep, good food to eat, and each other's company, and they are not piling on credit card and mortgage debt. Being out in the real world with 8/hr minimum wage, but making $12-15/hr and paying a 45 year mortgage on a $299,999 house, paying gas, childcare and education for kids, when you add up all of it you still make at least like $-4 to $-1/hr, and the way to compensate for that, at least till the housing crash, was to refinance your home every 5 years that is revalued to 349,999 by then, and take out the 50 grand equity you just obtained by this pie in the sky revaluation. I used to work briefly in a place, as a coop student, that had a uniform across the board union pay of $17.85/hr, which comes to like 36000/yr, and there was so much overtime abuse that even the janitor, who by the way was also qualified as a reactor operator and took all kinds of overtime functions, made like $100,000/yr, with a high school diploma. The who gets what, the dividing up of the cake on 20mill yearly profit was 10 mill to the owners, 10 mill to the workers, which came to like 100,000/worker for 100 people when you added up all the benefits. These workers were lazy as hell, they sat around all day like in a clubhouse, discussing politics and elections, and anything that needed to be worked on was an excuse for overtime. Many of them pulled 5 of 7 days of 16 hrs straight, which means they pretty much lived there, and they slept some on the job too. But one thing they made sure of was that the pounds of product was made every day, and it was top quality. Work smart, not hard. Because of the union abuses the place got shut down, every building got erased to the ground, it's plant grass now, and the company moved to Mexico, where people worked for $5/day doing the same thing.

Comment Re:Which is why the smart grow underground (Score 1) 258

" Pollenated weed plants grow seeds instead of synthesizing THC and other cannabinoids. Well, they still synthesize these compounds, but in much smaller quantities."

As a medical user that grows it all the time, WRONG.

Most of the useful cannabinoids are produced and contained within the trichome. Seeded sections of flowers tend to have higher concentrations of these trichomes, as it's a protective measure against UV damage by the sun to the developing embryo, due to how thin the tissue of the calyx is.

Comment Re:light under a rock? (Score 1) 258

Exactly. I've got a 55 gallon freshwater, using a single 50w 6500K panel (I'm only driving it at half power.) Everything is well-lit and the plants grow so quickly I'm having to remove an entire jungle every time I'm changing the water.

And anyone with half a brain knows they can just go to the manufacturer direct in most cases and get what they need. They have no qualms selling to you at the price they give to wholesalers and retailers. None.

On the other hand, finding someone that knows EXACTLY what you need (my job) per a given situation is not easy, which means most people are still stuck listening to the marketing of fly-by-night ebay companies and less than reputable LED grow light companies that claim to have patents when they're just reselling stuff from China.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 1) 258

"This Wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] has several examples of the efficiency of different kinds of lights. Most of the LED examples they give show around 50-100 lumens per watt."

Quit relying upon Wikipedia. It's outdated. Cree's already pushing 300+ in the labs and have 200+ commercially available. Most LEDs are pushing 130-150 right now.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 2) 258

You've listened to wayyyyy too much marketing and read too much ill-educated nonsense on cannabis forums.

The light cycle itself triggers flowering. Red light just happens to be a bit more efficient than blue for photosynthesis. I've done flowering under pure blue light and still obtained the typical stated yield from the seed supplier's website.

HPS gets used for flowering because the intense green output, which can go through the canopy, down to lower sections of the plant, where the green has overall superior quantum yield, as red and blue will not penetrate that far. IR has minor effect.

Guess what? We've got white LEDs pushing well past anything HPS lamps can do in terms of lumens per watt (really we're looking for photon flux density) and at color temperatures much closer to the natural light of the sun. HID? Finished.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 1) 258

"Marijuana plants like direct, intense sunlight. Unfortunately LEDs aren't very scalable. As you increase the current they start to run into physical limitations and the efficiency goes to hell. A 100W led may only put out 50lm/W, where a 1W led could put out 100lm/W."

I'm sorry, we've got plenty of LED systems out there pushing 2,000+ umol from several feet away, like any HID. And typical 100w LEDs are about 130 lumens per watt. Cree has LEDs available for the consumer that at 1w drive get 200+ lumens per watt (Cree MK-R) We figured out the Auger/watercooler effect and are working around it. We've got LEDs that dump 150+ lumens per watt at 5-10A drive current, now (Cree XPG2.)

"HIDs are actually extremely efficient (Around 100lm/W) and scalable (bulbs go up to 1kw+)."

We've got 1,000w LED packages in 70mm x 70mm size, with better efficiency.

" To get and equivalent amount of light out of LEDs with some sense of efficiency, you'd need thousands of them."

Plants care about photon flux, not lumens, which is weighted at green wavelengths for human vision. That's not saying that green light isn't useful in itself, but lumens mean jack shit when it's overall photon flux density making the real difference. I'm questioning how out of date your information is. Seems like way early 2000.

And thousands? Seriously?

http://tinyurl.com/mxq5w2b (PDF WARNING)

Try a couple hundred, easily fit on a 30mm x 30mm COB array board. Those are 5W LEDs each. The Cree MK-R is a 15W LED. 100 of those is 1.5kW.

" This may be suitable for plants that can deal with indirect sunlight, but it is not ideal for Cannabis."

http://i.imgur.com/5sCX9NX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KDI9NNX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cu2IsVO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0sJiDxs.jpg

Uhhhhhh..... what? Speaking as a medical cannabis user and grower, and as a landrace genetics preservation specialist for a Dutch seed bank, you're totally, absolutely, utterly wrong.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 2) 258

Let's take one of the crops I've done. Wheat fodder grass for animals. Using current traditional soil methods, one acre of fodder grass will require 100,000 gallons of water. Most of this water is lost via transpiration of the plant and evaporation from the soil.

I can build you a 1/8 acre building, load it up with recirculating vertical-stacked NFT channels, and you could produce that same acre of grass using 1,000 gallons of water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - have one of the UK projects I worked on.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 1) 258

"And she's been unwilling to loan me a unit for test purposes, dammit ;) "

Your sister does my exact job.

What sort of unit are you looking for? I've got tons. General purpose, microgreens, hell I've got technology to grow some plants without any light at all (very useful for the cattle/sheep ranchers) with a 99% reduction in water requirements.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 1) 258

"LEDs aren't there yet. You can't get cannabis to flower properly under LED lighting, nor can you get the sort of growth rates you'll get under HID lights"

Yea, explain why I made it on High Times Pix of the Crop six years in a row using pure LED lighting.

Or how about you go roll over to http://ledgrowersforum.co.uk/ and learn how dead wrong you are.

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 1) 258

"The parent post already stated HPS and LED lights have near the same efficiency..."

The parent post is wrong. Wikipedia is a horrible source for the rapidly-evolving world of semiconductor lighting. I've already got LEDs with 200+ l/w efficiency (Cree MK-R.) In single color LEDs, going to equal weighting and ignoring the weighting of green, you might as well just say 330+l/w, which is double any HID (excepting the almost pure-green low pressure sodium lamp, which can do 220+ l/w.)

Comment Re:So much nonsense in terms (Score 3, Informative) 258

"HPS is in the >100 lumen/watt ballpark"

Only in their more inefficient ranges like 250 and 400w. 600w can get up to 160l/w.

"LEDs, while capable of much more efficiency when operated at currents below their maximum ratings, usually operate near the same 100lm/W efficiencies when operated at maximum current"

Current LED tech is 130+ l/w and Cree's already popped 200+ at room temp 5600K 80mA drive with their MK-R, and in the lab, they've already hit 303+ at room temp 5150K color temp and 350mA drive.

" But a 400W LED fixture would produce nearly the same heat overall. It just wouldn't get as hot ;-) "

Comparing 400w HID to 400w LED, full power, the LED will produce on average 15-20% less heat, with that heat difference made up as light output.

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