I guarantee you, by the time the day is through, 2/3s of the posts here will say something along the lines of "What's the problem with the book? It's just like real life!"

They're also handing out money to people like Roy Spencer, whose area of research (though none of his published research) align nicely with the pro-oil message they want to get out.

The idea that even the best funded "eco" organization has anything approaching the money that the fossil fuel industry can bring to bear is laughable. Does someone like Greenpeace even have the money to buy one Senator, let alone an entire political party?

I agree. Showing statements that you haven't paid for is quite appropriate.

But tell me, do you think, for instance, having Dr. Roy Spencer being paid by the Koch Brothers to make anti-AGW statements that don't even have any backing in any peer reviewed research he's ever done fit within those ethical lines?

And yet there are crises that only governments can solve. War is an awfully good example.

Um, since when was skepticism the foundation of science? Repeatability of observations and utility of prediction are the foundations of science. Skepticism has its place, but only if it is informed. What Forbes publishes is hardly informed skepticism, and even its toy climatologists like Roy Spencer are notable for the fact that their bought-and-paid for skepticism never actually enters the published literature. Guys like Spencer are playing the same game with their discipline that Intelligent Design-advocate Michael Behe plays with his (microbiology). They make a very loud skeptical sound in the press, but when it comes to actually doing science, oddly their published record is in the mainstream.

Maybe the problem here is that you're too bloody infantile to accept that the universe doesn't give a fuck about your political and economic ideology.

And before you accuse me of being some commie greenie, well let me educate you. I'm a socially liberal fiscal conservative. What I'm not is a pathetic man-child who stomps his feet and declares "that science makes things difficult, it must be wrong!!!!!"

Grow the fuck up.

That is why they need the moat - somewhere for the sharks to live in!

Who would have thought these bots could get mod points?

Ah yes, and the conspiracy theorists come out to play. Last week it was evil scientists trying to hurt poor ol' Big Tobacco. The week before it was evil scientists trying to kill God with evolution and old EArth geology. The week before that it was evil old scientists trying to move the Earth from its lauded position at the center of the Universe.

Evil scientists one and all! We should fucking kill all of them, and promote views that square exactly with your ideological leanings. Science is evil and must be destroyed!

Does that sum up your position?

Why would they need sophisticated software when there are so many denialist Libertarian types who seem to believe that dumping millions of years worth of sequestered CO2 into the atmosphere in the space of three centuries has absolutely no ill effects whatsoever? After all, these people show up on every single web forum anywhere to declare climatologists are frauds and AGW a global conspiracy of evil Communists out to destroy the economy...

Oh wait

I'm with you; I have given up believing that our government is good and is trying to do the Right Thing(tm).

they are now more concerned with covering their asses and collecting all info they can 'just in case' they need it. more CYA, really.

parallel reconstruction is a horrible thing, but they use it and so they don't care about laws anymore.

what this has done is make us, the citizens, ALSO not care about the laws. I dont' think they realized this would be the effect, but I see it, in modern attitudes. especially in the young. they don't believe our government is good or trustable anymore and that our laws are corporate self-interest based.

what goes around, comes around. and that's what bothers me the most. the 'arms race' between the gov and the citizens is growing and not de-escalating.

each generation has said 'the world is going to hell in a handbasket' but this time, they really are right.

sadly, I don't see a reversal. ;(

according to google, essentially NO extra cpu (in real terms) is needed anymore.

citation:

https://www.imperialviolet.org...

quote:

If there's one point that we want to communicate to the world, it's that SSL/TLS is not computationally expensive any more. Ten years ago it might have been true, but it's just not the case any more. You too can afford to enable HTTPS for your users.

With Apple continuing to make a more closed ecosystem. And Google sharing all your data in the world, with little interesting movement in Linux. Now Microsoft trying to be more open.
Should we be a bit more welcoming to Microsoft?

Making the rules so strict, prevents innovation. Making the rules too relaxed causes abuse.

You need a happy middle.