The latter. Even if the fan can stand brief immersion, it probably isn't suitable for something that is exposed to water jets.

So the ideal system would probably be something like this:

[1] Water blocks on CPU and GPU, and possibly another air-water heat exchanger somewhere internally to keep the internal ambient temperature down.

[2] At least one internal fan to circulate the air, keeping for example the memory modules (which should have large heat sinks) cool.

[3] The coolant goes to an exchanger attached to a large external heat sink which is sufficient to passively cool the system in dry air. Ideally the heat sink fins would be oriented vertically to take advantage of convection, as well as shedding water properly. Then you're covered if the water is intermittent, or just not there. if water does come along, so much the better.

Are you trying to cheap this off or do it right?

If you're going cheap, put it in an ammo box. Force through it with a duct fan, I'd weld flanges onto the box (since I've got my MIG up and running now) to attach the up and down pipes. This solves your air circulation problems to the point that you might not even need fans in the box. Ammunition cases have rubber seals. You may have to inspect the boxes carefully to find one with a good seal. You'll still need a drain as well, and it should have a long hose attached to prevent spray, and a restrictor to prevent bugs.

If you can do anything you want, water cool it and make a water block to go on the outside of a truly well-sealed box. Monitor the temps in the box and run seti, folding@home etc for heat if necessary.

Or, how about a waterproof enclosure which can't handle direct spray inside of a bigger box with drains which will deflect it? That's how cars work. It's remarkably effective

Just like Catholicism. If I had my choice, I'd flush both books down the same toilet.

Have you ever tried running photoshop on a portable device? They have portable editions of that now, with filters. The more power the device has, the more complex filters can reasonably be run on the device. That's just one easy example of an app which can benefit from a lot of CPU.

I however would imagine that the GPU is a good place to put a lot of the additional power today, because the screen resolutions continue to increase. Intensive applications will just have to make use of it.

I see that you're pointing to the portion of government that doesn't want to take the guns, and attempting to use it as evidence that the portion of the government that does simply doesn't exist. And I see that this is a logical fallacy.

Government is not one thing. It's made up of people, like every other institution of man. It can do more than one thing at a time, including two contrary things.

...advertising campaigns start off soft.

Like a year or so in advance.
Planting stories tangentially related to the product in order to slowly build up awareness and interest among the general population.

Hey! Did you know they are making a new Star Wars movie?!
And it's done by that guy who made that last Star Trek movie everyone loved?!
And it has all the old actors from the original movies, not the new ones from those prequels!
And OH MY GAWD! Did you know that they're gonna put Sherlock the Smaug the Khaaaaaan Cumberbatch in it?! He's soooo cooool/sexxxy!

IT'S GONNA BE GREAT!

See?

I believe that you think narcc's post is stupid.

Actually, I get the strong impression that you yourself believed that narcc actually meant what he posted. (I don't believe, though, that either of these are examples of something believed "in the face of evidence to the contrary". That kind of belief is more displayed by, for example, battered partners and their ilk, and is rarer. One could make a case that since our beliefs shape the way our mind builds our reality from our sensory input, it's probably quite common that "evidence to the contrary" just gets rejected by the individual until it reaches some kind of critical threshold, whereas others seeing the same evidence see it as "evidence to the contrary" long before.)

Most, if not all, reasoning we make about others' "state of mind" is mere belief. (Maybe in the far future we'll be able to MRI the brains of the people we interact with, in real time --- flash of memory of L. Frank Baum(?) story which included a similar plot device...)

Yes, but everyone does this, at least, of any size. IBM at least seems to get a product out of it.

It's not IBM's fault if you don't leave yourself some breathing room, though I agree that is shitty. Still, if the going rate is falling, I'm going somewhere else.

They truly do have a massive stack of useless consultants. That's not to imply that the majority of them are useless, although I suspect that's the case. I've simply met several of them.

The thing is, that's often what's called for. Except the pile of shit part, but seriously, old doesn't mean bad.

I believe what you just posted. Enjoy!

On the low end it costs twice as much as an entry-level windows PC. On the high end, it is also a ripoff.

Uh no. I can still get more performance by building my own.

Being willing to accept a computer a couple mm thicker does not show that I don't care about design.

Anyone who thinks we should be proud doesn't have a CLUE as to why we were in those conflicts in the first place. Even WWII, which we should have probably been in, we deliberately delayed our entry so that our "allies" would get their asses pounded so that we could come out ahead economically. Proof? We were selling war materials including Alcoa aluminum and of course fuel to the Third Reich. We knew it was going on, and we let it continue and then seized the assets. But that didn't stop vital war supplies getting to the enemy.

Obviously not.

There are a lot of people who buy Macs because they believe it's higher quality hardware, and then replace it with Linux or Windows because they need to run some non Mac apps or it's their preferred OS. I don't see anything wrong with some of them expecting not being forced to pay for OS X and bundled software like iWork etc., especially in Italy now that it's the law.

http://www.cnet.com/news/macbo...