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Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 1) 1746

If I had my way instead of recognizing same-sex marriages I would rather the government exit completely out of the marriage business altogether and no longer ask it on tax forms, etc...

I keep seeing people say that the government should get out of the marriage business, but it seems like Religions should get out of the marriage business. Religions should be in the ceremony business, not the marriage business. Which is good because that's how things generally are. Too many people don't seem to understand that the religious ceremony is intended to make the signing of a piece of paper in front of two witnesses feel special. However, the marriage licence is provided by the state and is the same no matter what religion (if any) you subscribe to. That's not a bad thing, but too many people are making the mistake of confusing the ceremony with the actual marriage. For simplicity's sake being married in front of god conveys no legal status at all until you sign the government provided piece of paper.

The reason the government is involved and should remain so, is because there are significant and important legal implications to marriage. Beyond tax implications, there are legal issues such as inheretance (particularly important if the home is not in name of both partners), end-of-life care, hospital visitations, prison access, health benefit access, and the list goes on and on. Adn that's before we get to any provisions that are supposed to provide assitance to those raising children.

It seems strange to me that someone unmarried and living together is treated differently than someone who is married and living together or is treated differently than a brother and a sister who are living together.

Actually, people who are unmarried and living together may be treated the same as someone who is married and living together (it's called common-law), though I doubt you could claim a common law status with your brother or sister, but that's because you are assumed to not be in stable long term exclusive relationship.

Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 1) 1746

In which case the board made a decision that his views were counter-productive to the organization and they did what they had to. I'd prefer to think that he had the wisdom to see that his political history was damaging to the foundation, that he was foolish enough to require the board to force him out. Of course, there were other options he could have engaged in, he could have apologized, recanted his views and made a gesture of reconciliation (like publicly donating money to a pro-gay-marriage campaign). However, while I haven't been following the story too closely, it appears he tried to take the "I won't let my prejudices influence how I deal with my should-be-less-than-equal underlings" approach, which he couldn't pull off.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

I am not going to waste my time getting links for you when all you have to do is refuse to accept it for no apparent reason.

No apparent reason? Are you daft? Your primary evidence that blacklisting is happening is a handful of people complaining that it is not.

I need to have something from you that says you'll accept evidence if it meets certain standards.

It seems you have some sort of problem with actually reading and understanding what other people write.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

In regards to evidence, what evidence would you accept?

First some real actual evidence of what you claim to be true, would be nice. Posting a let me Google that for you which doesn't even point to what you claim is simply foolish.

I've had similar discussions with people on different topics... one says something the other doesn't like... the One provides evidence then the other dismisses the evidence...

If this is the quality of the "evidence" that you normally present, it's no wonder you are routinely dismissed.

Here's a hint: you're wating my time, kid. Come back when you have something definitive.

YOU cannot have a rational discussion unless you have a criteria for accepting evidence. What evidence would YOU accept?

How about some actual evidence of a systematic blacklisting process? Leaks that show the censorship is going on, perhaps? Like the one from Fox News that says doubt must always be cast on climate change?

How about a credible list of people who have blacklisted from the media, science conferences, and journals? I'm only aware of the rules actually being bent or broken to publish matierial critical of climate change and no actual verified instances where the reverse happened. Every time I've seen that claim leveled by "climate skeptics" after a little digging it seems to turn out that either a) nothing was ever submitted in the first place apparently because the submitter determined it wouldn't be accepted anyway and decided not to submit at all (thus a self-fulfilling prophecy) or b) it was rejected because it failed peer review because of significant methodological errors and the author refused to make revisions.

Additionally, if there are scientific papers or authors who are being blacklisted, you'd think it would be easy enough to gather and post the papers online for all to see. We have this thing called the internet where anyone can host their own web site. However, we never see the blacklisted papers merely the claim from the advocats for the supposedly oppressed claiming that it's happening and it's big.

You cannot have a rational discussion on this topic without any actual evidence. What evidence could you produce?

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

You wrote:

There has been a concerted effort lately to shut out "deniers" from all such discussions. They are being blacklisted from media. Blacklisted from science conferences. Blacklisted in science journals.

The evidence is Apple CEO Tim Cook telling a libertarian to pull his head out his ass? Or Neil Degrasse Tyson saying anti-science loons shouldn't be given equal weight with scientists? Or are the comments of an unnamed CNN correspondent evidence of this conspiracy to shut out climate change deniers? Maybe it's the letter to the editor? Is Elizabeth Black from Boulder, Colerado the secret illumanity leader who's perpetuating this pro-climate change blackball campaign?

You should just be embarrassed with yourself.

Right back at you.

As to charlatans, obviously they shouldn't be given time.

I'm glad we agree on something.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

Those aren't scientists, the NIPCC is primarily funded by the Heritage Insitute. They're a conservative libertarian think-thank as such they're a political group. One, you've probably heard of before, they're the guys who ran the add campaign claiming the Unabomber believes in climate change.

The IPCC report is written by scientists with expertise in the field, the NIPCC report is written by lobbyists with clients in the field.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

There has been a concerted effort lately to shut out "deniers" from all such discussions. They are being blacklisted from media. Blacklisted from science conferences. Blacklisted in science journals.

First I'd like some evidence of this extraordinary claim.

Second, assume for a moment that there was a group of people who genuinely appear to be charlatans who claim expertise where they have none and repeatedly lie and distort the truth to advance their own agenda which runs counter to the general welfare. What would you do about them? How do you suggest dealing with an instransigent group whose primary purpose is obstructing your work so they can benefit from your failure?

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

What's interesting is that if I move your start points around, I get a different graph on with different results. It's dangerous to put too much emphasis on cherry-picked time lines.

except that warming occurred without the benefit of significant CO_2 forcing and was much more uniform.

So... According to you the industrial revolution started in 1945, and there were no large scale events going on between say 1938 and 1945 which could have influenced the global climate?

Submission + - Urine Trouble: Chemists Warn that Peeing in the Pool is Dangerous 1

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes: Everybody does it and even celebrated Olympic swimmers Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte admit they do it too. "It's kind of a normal thing to do with swimmers," says Phelps. "You know, when we're in the water for two hours we don't really get out, you know, to pee."

Now Julie Beck writes that It turns out that it's a pretty bad idea, for more reasons than just the ick factor as a new study published in the American Chemical Society's journal Environmental Science & Technology, has looked at the chemistry of what happens when urine meets chlorine, and it's not pretty. When researchers mixed uric acid, found in both urine and sweat, with chlorine, they found that both trichloramine and cyanogen chloride form within an hour. "We know that there are associations between some of these chemicals and adverse human health outcomes, so we're motivated to understand the chemistry behind their formation and decay," says Ernest Blatchley III.

Exposure to trichloramine has been linked to respiratory problems (PDF), and cyanogen chloride can adversely affect the lungs, central nervous system, and cardiovascular system. Another issue is if a lot of people are peeing in the pool, there's the potential for a lot of cyanogen chloride to form, depleting the chlorine in the pool. While the cyanogen chloride would normally decay quickly, less chlorine means it might stick around longer, and that could be a real problem. All of this is to say that peeing in the pool is not harmless, despite Phelps' and Lochte's claims that it's normal and everybody does it. "There's a lot of people in the swimming community who look up to these people and listen to what they have to say," says Blatchley "[Phelps and Lochte] are not chemists and shouldn't be making statements that are that false."

Comment Re:Easy stats to pull (Score 1) 367

Not at all. The driver simulation studies are designed to show that using a cell phone is more distracting that not using a cell phone, however, that's not a particularly useful result in the real world. The real question we want answered is whether normal cell phone usage patterns lead to a higher rate or severity of accidents. After all if you're not talking to someone on the cell phone, you could be talking to someone in the car, eating a sandwich, drinking a bottle of water, adjusting the radio, adjusting the air conditioning, reciting an entire Monty Python sketch to yourself, or lost in a fantasy. You can't compel people to pay attention with laws. The early evidence seems to suggest that distracted driving laws are not having any effect on accident rates.

Maybe cell phone use displaces other equally distracting behaviour?

Additionally, according to the U.S. Government the highest rate for distracted driving fatalities involving cell phones is 2.3% (21% of 11%) and that's for drivers aged 15-19. So it's a minority of a small minority of fatal accidents, the focus on cell phone use may be because the behaviour is more obvious, newer and thus easier to single out. This could be just another senseless moral panic.

Comment Re:Easy stats to pull (Score 1) 367

Are those studies as rigorous as the studies that show children playing exciting games become more excited than those playing boring games which is then extrapolated to conclude that playing violent games must make children more violent? Sometimes the results of a study do not actually match the publicized conclusions.

I am skeptical, I believe those driving studies show that using a phone is distracting, but I'm not convinced that they actually show that the drivers are more distracted than they would be otherwise be. There are a number of other factors that would come into play in real world condition that might not be reflected in the simulators, including that there are plenty of other distractions in your typical car and I suspect a good driver would know not to use a cell phone when driving in trying conditions.

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