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Space On a Shoestring 257

An anonymous reader writes, "Three engineering students from Cambridge University plan to send an unmanned craft into space for £1,000 ($1,880) and have just sent a test mission up 32 km for a lot less. Their snaps from the upper atmosphere are impressive, and were taken by a balloon equipped with off-the-shelf technology including GSM text messaging, radio communications, and an ordinary 5-megapixel camera. They now plan to use a similar craft as a launching stage to get a cheap rocket into space." There's also a video of the balloon launch.
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Space On a Shoestring

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  • by leereyno ( 32197 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @12:38AM (#16143781) Homepage Journal
    Consumers don't NEED them at all. They're there so the airlines can make a buck.

    Anyone familiar with the story of flight 93 knows that cell phones work at the cruising altitude of commericial jet aircraft.

    Lee

  • Yes, but orbital? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by caseih ( 160668 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @12:39AM (#16143786)
    Sending rockets out into space is pretty easy, but the real trick is orbit. Cheap shots to the upper atmosphere don't do a lot of good in terms of launching satellites and other objects into orbit, although I'm sure they can provide experience with the technology. Achieving orbit requires a lot more energy. There's a reason missiles and rockets are the size they are.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @12:45AM (#16143811)
    (sigh)

    Ya know, in the grand Slashdot of life, aren't we all karma whores at best?

    The parent supplied useful information, albeit in such a way as to boost his karma. It's better than some "designer" "offend everybody" troll post (with little four letter acronyms & whatnot).
  • by twifosp ( 532320 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @01:33AM (#16143978)
    Getting an object to space altitude and getting into orbit are very different things. This project uses the atmosphere's properties (the gases used being lighter than the atmosphere) to lift something to a great height. While it is no easy task, it is hardly putting something into orbit.

    To put something into a stable orbit, you must not only achieve height, but tangential velocity. A rocket that is capable of achieving the neccessary velocity (around 7000 m/s depending on how heavy the object is) will probably not be lifted by a baloon any time soon.

    In addition to that, 32km is not high enough to put something into orbit. You need to be around 180km to make several stable orbits. And if you want something up there for years, you need to be 250+ to avoid drag from the outer atmosphere.

    This is just height. This is not orbit. There is not nearly enough energy here to make orbit.

    Still, quite an amazing feat for the costs invovled. My hat is off to them.

  • Re:Orbit (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Alfred, Lord Tennyso ( 975342 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @01:34AM (#16143983)
    Orbit is a bit much to ask, though I think that 60 miles would be newsworthy. The amateur rocketeers have already been there, but accomplishing it on the cheap would be remarkable.

    To get there from 20 miles would still require a considerable rocket, though, and I'd be very surprised to see them pull that off for under US$2k. That additional 40 miles is still a considerable event in amateur rocketry, even with the wind essentially eliminated, and that's from a standing start.

    And it's a very, very long way to orbit from there (though somewhat easier if you're not planning to get whatever it is back down safely).

    As usual, the press-release writers have sold an interesting event ("nice pictures taken from high up cheap") and tried to spin it into a big deal ("we're going to space!"). I imagine the actual engineers are shaking their heads.
  • Re:oh boy (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @02:26AM (#16144114)
    Can you say "fucking ludicrous scare campaign [cryptome.org]"?

    The fact that you've included the made-up and utterly nonsensical word "Islamofascism" (used exclusively by people who do not know anything about either fascism or Islam) should be enough to clue everyone in that you're a pants-pissing hysterical idiot. Well, that and the fact that you seem to think there's a "d" in the word "urban".
  • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @03:35AM (#16144297)
    The problem is that at very high altitudes, the phone "sees" hundreds of cell base stations at once, and the system isn't really designed to deal with this.

    On the flip side, the phone can't deal with dozens of control signals from dozens of towers on the same channel. Normal operation a phone sees a control channel from several towers nearby on several frequencies. These control channels get geographly re-used. At altitude it's the ability to see many towers on the same frequency at the same time scramples the signal to the phone and breaks the phone ability to lock on to a control signal. This is the sudden loss of signal bars seen on an airbone phone. Too many towers in view at close to the same signal strength and on the same channels as each other.
  • by x2A ( 858210 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @04:13AM (#16144372)
    For this balloon thing though, could put the GSM unit into a downward facing pringles tube [bbc.co.uk], increasing the signal strength, narrowing the transmitted area, and sticking to their "cheap, very very cheap" idea :-)

  • Re:ACES (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LordSnooty ( 853791 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @04:39AM (#16144431)
    The stuff is somewhat exciting, but I don't really think it's newsworthy. I feel like it only made the news because it of the famous university name tacked on...
    I feel like it only made the news because the pictures were fairly stunning...
  • by Trogre ( 513942 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @05:36AM (#16144552) Homepage
    Man someone really needs to tell Dylan Avery [wikipedia.org] about this!

  • Costs/Point (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MikeMorley ( 1004009 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @06:52AM (#16144717)
    I actually worked in the same lab as these guys, so here's my input: The reason that this was an important launch was not the photos, although those are cool, but to test the electronics of the tracker devices they'dd designed and built. If you read their website at http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/ [cuspaceflight.co.uk] you'll see the other projects - the rocket to space, but also a controllable parachute that can descend to within 100m of a given location. All fairly impressive stuff, given that they've only jsut finished their 1st year of study. As for costs - only a couple of hundred pounds...
  • Re:Moo (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sacherjj ( 7595 ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @09:08AM (#16145282) Homepage
    Acceleration through gravity has nothing to do with terminal velocity. It describes how fast the falling body reaches its terminal velocity. The speed at which it will fall is where the forces from gravity meet the countering forces from air resistance. The payload will accelerate to a very fast speed at altitude, but slow down gradually as the density of air increases and therefore the air resistance increases. This is not a situation when you can do simple calculus with 9.81 m/s^2 and ignore air resistance.

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