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Microsoft To Construct iPod/DS/PSP Killer 318

Karsten writes "According to The Mercury News Microsoft is developing a PSP/DS/GBA/iPod-killer. J. Allard is leading the project." J. Allard is the man behind the Xbox, and from looking at the article it sounds like it's at least a year before this device, if it hits daylight, would be coming.
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Microsoft To Construct iPod/DS/PSP Killer

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  • by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohn@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:24AM (#14956415) Journal
    Microsoft To Construct iPod/DS/PSP Killer
    Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who ...

    I've said it before [slashdot.org] and I'll say it again--for the love of god, please stop printing mindless headlines of the form "[insert company name here] is [planning/making] a [insert industry-wide leading product name here] killer."
  • hmm... no (Score:5, Insightful)

    by joe 155 ( 937621 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:26AM (#14956422) Journal
    This won't work, but we should all know that already know that. You can't just stick all the available technology into something and hope it all works out, this will end up being as big as origami with about 2 hours of battery life. I like things to be seperate, which is why I have an MP3 player, and a DS (and a camera and phone and whatever else they'll probably try and throw in it) I like things to be excellent at the one thing that they do, not just "acceptable" at everything under the sun
  • Time to... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MaestroSartori ( 146297 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:29AM (#14956439) Homepage
    ...dust off all your jokes about how big the Xbox is!

    Seriously though, with Xbox and Xbox Live MS has shown that they are capable of doing interesting, cool things with both consoles and gaming generally. I'll be interested to see what they come up with.
  • by dada21 ( 163177 ) * <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:29AM (#14956443) Homepage Journal
    I'm not a MS fanboy, but I do have very good experiences with Microsoft over my lifetime. I've had some terrible problems, too, but nothing that has affected me in a bad way. I believe Microsoft's Windows has been a big reason why PCs are so cheap -- a common operating system that was easy to use has helped to bring more people to computers. I think we'd be in the 80s still if it wasn't for Windows 3.0 -- Apple had no chance given their closed hardware.

    My experience with MS in handhelds is terrible. I've owned about 30 PDAs in my life (I tend to use them for 3-4 months and then sell them to friends or family or give them away). All my Newtons were my favorite (from the original MessagePad through the 2100). I feel terrible that I sold all my Newtons years ago -- I think I'd still be using the beasts today.

    Microsoft doesn't know how to downsize anything. The big complaints about Windows from the geek crowd is more appropriate for Microsoft in the small-PC crowd. I had a Microsoft car radio once -- Worst. Thing. Ever. My current PDA is Microsoft based and it works very well wirelessly -- yet I have to reboot it about 10 times a day to get it to run fast.

    I have no faith in Microsoft in terms of an iPod killer. The X-Box is mostly a fluke to me -- a lot of money spent, very little profit made -- which means the item is NOT a success in terms of market viability. For me, the best products are those that make a profit, giving the manufacturer real reason to keep upgrading and supporting it.

    If the Microsoft 'iPod' killer is another spend-a-ton-and-earn-none fluke, it won't last. Microsoft needs a happy customer, and a happy customer pays a happy profit. Without that incentive, Microsoft will be fighting battles on too many fronts, and we know what happens to the imperialists that have done that in the past.
  • *YAWN* (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Karyyk ( 910994 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:37AM (#14956488) Homepage
    For all intents and purposes, the PSP should have killed the DS from a technical viewpoint. Fortunately, ingenuity in the gaming industry can still make up for somewhat lesser tech. Nintendo has rules the handheld market since 1989, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon. Besides, Microsoft, at best, will come up with a Windows-running, $400 handheld with a 3-hour battery lift. I'll pass.
  • They can try... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Enselic ( 933809 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:38AM (#14956496) Homepage
    I doubt they will be able to create an iPod killer because that would mean they had to change the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people.

    A behaviour is exceptionally hard to change, especially if it is based on an already well working service.
  • by platypibri ( 762478 ) <platypibri@@@gmail...com> on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:40AM (#14956505) Homepage Journal
    Look. There are ALREADY portable digital players out there with more features for less price that work with Windows only. Killing the iPod involved creating a sleek, hip player with a simple, intuitive interface, and an integrated content provider which has all of the same characteristics. iPods look cool and work well; iTunes is easy to use and has the fairest DRM out there. And the way iTunes is blowing away everyone else shows we want to buy our music easily and own it, not rent it.

    Someday there might well be a product that comes around that is more hip than the iPod. I'm pretty sure about two things, 1) It won't try to cram a bazillion features into an ugly product (Oragami?) and 2) Microsoft probably won't be responsible.

  • by hcdejong ( 561314 ) <hobbes@nOspam.xmsnet.nl> on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:42AM (#14956515)
    I don't want a brick that's large enough to play video/games on. I want a music player that's small enough to fit in a pocket and be generally unobtrusive.
  • by Angostura ( 703910 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:47AM (#14956548)
    Where's my insightful mod points when I want them.

    Then again, I still use a Palm V because I want a PDA to be a simple, small cheap PDA. So I'm probably not the target demographic.
  • by mgblst ( 80109 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:49AM (#14956565) Homepage
    So this is to go with Microsofts Linux/OSX/BSD/AIX killer and Microsofts PS3/Revolution Killer and Microsofts Oracle/MySQL/PostgreSQL/PeopleSoft/Dbase Killer?

    Sure a lot of killing going on.... supposedly.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 20, 2006 @10:58AM (#14956635)
    is why all these companies are out to build an 'iPod killer' when the iPod itself was an "MP3 player killer" that blew them all out of the water in the first place!

    I have an RCA MP3 player from around 2002(I think? it was a gift) that has very little capacity, runs on AAA batteries and is basically the little MP3 player that couldn't. In order to make it really worth carrying around spare AAA batteries, you would have to purchase an SD card to expand the available storage, unless you have 4 songs that you absolutely love to hear over and over again. THAT kind of MP3 player is what the iPod was up against when it came out as an MP3 player with a harddrive.

    Gee, let me think... $100 for a 32mb (maybe) MP3 player, and then another chunk of change for SD cards to listen to more than 20 minutes of decent sound quality music and changing AAA batteries every day, or $200-300 for an iPod with gigabytes of storage, a rechargeable battery and a great navigation menu that displays the name of the artist and song.

    General Public: Hm, let me think about that one, and while I think about it, let me look at the designs of the "other" MP3 players vs the iPod..

    /sarcasm a little help making the decision may be necessary.../end sarcasm

    at a time when everyone else was creeping into the market and peeking through the doorway to see if there were enough people on the other side in the portable MP3 player market to make it worthwhile to go in, Apple busted down the door and slapped the iPod into the hands of 20-30 year olds and blew the roof off the market. And now everyone is playing catch-up, claiming their latest and greatest will dethrone the iPod.

    I'm sorry, but Apple already stormed the market with a great design, the best software for the job, and a legal method of getting the MP3s to the people. Just give up and start selling accessories for iPods and try to make a profit off of things that change color with the beat of the music.

  • by ZombieRoboNinja ( 905329 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:02AM (#14956659)
    Of course any portable game system MS makes would be hyped as a DS/GBA/PSP killer; those are the competing products in that category. The MS marketing department would have to be pretty braindead NOT to claim that their as-yet-unreleased system is better than the stuff that's currently on the market.

    That leaves "iPod killer" as the only questionable assertion. Well, here's how I read it: the system will have either a hard drive or a decent amount of flash memory. This would be great on a portable for all sorts of reasons (e.g., you could download the games to the system rather than carrying around 50 tiny cartridges). A WMA/MP3 player would only be one fairly simple app on such a system, so they may as well stick it in there and add another tick on the checklist.

    Will it be a better MP3 player than an iPod? No, but who cares? The PS2 is a pretty terrible DVD player (low quality, clunky controls, noisy as heck), but it was that feature that convinced me to buy it over a GameCube.
  • Sony already tried (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:02AM (#14956662)
    And about the only thing the PSP seems to be killing is... the PSP.

    If Microsoft wishes to do the same thing as Sony, making a "gaming" handheld that does everything but actually play games, they'll get the same results.

    Granted, they may make a better movie player than the PSP (depending on the specifics), but Microsoft is already losing the format wars with Apple over music formats (much like Sony) and if they aim for squeezing the "latest and greatest" in graphics and sound technology into the gaming function, it certainly isn't going to be as small as the iPod (like Sony). And, finally, like Sony, there'll be little more than "portable" (i. e. watered-down) versions of console games (read "Halo Lite").
  • by cowscows ( 103644 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:09AM (#14956713) Journal
    Actually, I thought that the PSP was supposed to be the iPod/DS killer. So if MS kills the PSP before it gets a chance to kill the iPod and the DS, then it's just wasting energy, cause it'll have to go kill them itself. It'd be much more efficient and cheaper for MS to wait until Sony finishes killing the iPod and the DS, and then just go whack the PSP. And then wait for Google to release a small electronic device, and then go kill that too.

    I think that the "* killer" tag has pretty much become one of those laughable buzzwords; where when a PR guy says it, you know he's got no idea about what's really going on, and when someone knowledgeable uses it, it's in a sort of sarcastic mocking tone. Basically, any time I see a slashdot headline talking about a "killer", I can be confident that the comments will 95% be people stating lots of reasons why it obviously won't work that way. Let the marketing people have their cute little terms, no one besides themselves is fooled.
  • by Lave ( 958216 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:13AM (#14956752)
    Portable devices that replace multiple portables will only do so when one critical flaw has been addressed. The Battery.

    I like my DS being separate to my phone because, I can play it and not worry about killing my battery and not being able to receive calls.

    I can listen to songs on my mp3 player as I sight-see, and not have to worry that I'm going to kill the battery before I get to the big sights I want to take photos off.

    If a business man is on the tube, he likes his blackberry an iPod to be separate because he won't miss any email after listening to music on his commute.

    Unless your device can run for over a day - whilst doing everything - continually - then I don't want the stress of balancing battery needs. Portable devices are about reducing stress, "all-in-one" devices don't do that, no matter how many times you write "killer" in the title.

  • by Catbeller ( 118204 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:33AM (#14956902) Homepage
    Monopolies are legal, but they used to be controlled, when the law was actually enforced and "conservative" judges weren't appointed to short-circuit it.

    Monopolies are damaging because they can leverage their overwhelming advantage (=money) into new markets, conquering one product segment after another, erecting barriers to entry to new competitors, and most importantly, monopolies can prevent new technologies from dislodging their old tech by using extortion in all sorts of ways (in the classic case, "put Linux in your boxen, in any way, and say good-bye to your Windows discount, hell, good-bye to your Windows boxen).

    Microsoft is building "killer" after "killer", using their infinite cash from their Office and Windows monopolies to simply underprice their products in new businesses like game machines and portable media players until their competitors, who don't have monopoly cash, fold. Then, classically, they raise their prices in their new monopoly, then use the cash to move into a new monopoly. This is why we busted the trusts after the Guilded Age. Inevitably, one company will own everything. Microsoft wants a media tax worldwide, wants a piece of every media streamed and stored. Then they'll inevitably move into media creation; hell, that's what they're doing in video games. Vertical lock.
  • Re:hmm... no (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Covetous Knight ( 957894 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:50AM (#14957044)
    Umm, okay. How about the Archos [archos.com].

    No DRM just like you said - and somehow people aren't flocking to it in droves. Could it be that you really would like a product without DRM, but you're a little out of touch with what the masses want?
  • by xtracto ( 837672 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @11:51AM (#14957047) Journal
    You almost got it, but what *really* takes to kill the ipod is quite simple:

    Hype

    Plain and simple, what the iPod has is a lot of marketing and hype. As you stated there already are portable digital players with hell more features than the iPod (personally I preffer the iRiver series since I got my frist cd-mp3 player imp-300 a long time ago).

    I can think of at least one reason [youtube.com] why Microsoft is not the /adequate/ company to come up with the killer. I believe it is more likely to come from a telephone company like Motorola [mobilegazette.com] that have more idea on how to make cool design products.
  • Re:hmm... no (Score:2, Insightful)

    by wanorris ( 473323 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @12:40PM (#14957457) Homepage
    Lots of music players can play music that don't have DRM -- nearly all of them. If you rip your music library to MP3, you can play it on virtually any device that plays music, and you will be DRM-free.

    Granted, most of these devices don't have wifi, but even there, you still have options right now. For example, plenty of Pocket PCs can stream music (or video) over wifi. Drop in a 4GB flash card (some are now under $150) and you've got yourself a perfectly serviceable portable music player that can play streaming as well as downloaded audio. It can also play no-DRM Divx movies, has a wide array of simple games, and can (obviously) serve as a personal organizer.
  • by apoc06 ( 853263 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @01:44PM (#14958110)
    raise your hands, if you realize that the article is pure unfounded speculation based upon information almost a year old. for all we know the project in question is the dayum UMPC that theyve already revealed... this guy posted an ambigious title on his blog in order to drum up press for his book. [read first para]

    if microsoft was prepping a true handheld, the rumor mill would have been abuzz. the only handheld gameconsole MS is concerned w/ is the UMPC for now at least.

    with lackluster sales of the x360, i dont see MS greenlighting another expensive hardware launch anytime soon. they wouldnt risk splintering development across three [two consoles, if they decide to drop xbox1 support]; its not like they have an army of first party developers, much less third party houses...
  • by Dhrakar ( 32366 ) on Monday March 20, 2006 @04:14PM (#14959378)
    are the ones that are NOT advertised that way. The iPod was never sold as a 'killer' of some other MP3 player. For that matter, the PC itself was not sold that way. Each of these things was promoted based on its own merits -- and not on how it compared to other things. What is it with our hyper-competitive culture now that always has to find 'The only one'?

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