Video Usage Creates Traffic Jam Worries 257
An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet has an article talking about worries over the increase in video downloads in the last year. Free video hosting and the popularity of iTunes is blamed for this phenomenon." From the article: "This is far from an academic issue. Whether the new companies can deliver on their promises could have a profound effect on how the Internet operates--and it could hit consumers in the pocketbook. Business and entertainment content worth billions of dollars now flows over ordinary ISP networks. Internet voice calls, which can be garbled by any network congestion, are increasingly common. Serious online hiccups could be as irritating, and potentially economically damaging, as persistent L.A. traffic jams."
We've been here before. (Score:5, Insightful)
Dark Fiber Untapped Resource (Score:4, Insightful)
This sounds little more than the usual doomsday stuff. In the US there is plenty of unused fiber that covers the entire country. Even companies like Google are interested in tapping this resource. This isn't so much a problem as it is an opportunity for a company to fullfill the demand.
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neccessity is the mother of invention (Score:3, Insightful)
Tiered Internet .... (Score:3, Insightful)
They aren't worried about traffic "jams" (Score:5, Insightful)
I have to wonder (Score:3, Insightful)
Yep (Score:4, Insightful)
And this is exactally why I do not subscribe to the VOIP bandwagon yet. ComCast's service is so hit-or-miss sometimes, I can't trust a phone service on it. Hell, I can't even trust an uninterrupted game of Q2 deathmatch. Mind you, this isn't exclusive to ComCast. It's a trend propogating through all broadband ISPs as they meet a level they can't serve.
Anybody else read this... (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe I'm paraniod, but it's a perfectly healthy attitude to have in this country.
Let the info blitz begin (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Anybody else read this... (Score:4, Insightful)
Quality of Service (Score:3, Insightful)
Get more bandwidth (Score:5, Insightful)
If service providers feel they actually have a reason to be concerned about the matter, then they should see it as an opportunity to sell more server class bandwidth to customers. Assuming they're not undercutting themselves (???), they should be able to use the sales to increase their bandwidth infrastructure to meet the needs.
Honestly, I think the question is, who is raising the concerns in the article and why? The answer seems to be, "the service providers" and "so they can sell the idea of tiered service". Will they just get over it? No one is buying the tiered service idea.
Wrong side of problem to worry about (Score:3, Insightful)
If Application X (games mostly) was too much for your system, what did you do ?
Try to improve on the application engine, request code rewrites and wait for patches ?
Duuh, nope. YOU GOT UP AND BOUGHT A FASTER MACHINE.
If you knew NY traffic was going to be awfull, do buy a faster car ?
NOPE. Actually, you could SELL the car.
And you will use the subway, or in case you can't, get a cab.
Or, if you're the mayor, put a huge "car usage price" and get the freaking streets empty (and the city rich) at the same time.
So... is your ISP (you being a big company) having problems with your traffic ?
Well... get a better "pipe" plan, or switch ISPs.
AS LONG AS YOU ASK FOR MORE BANDWIDTH, and you do it for "long term", somebody, somewhere is going to be more than happy to provide it for you.
So the answer is not "limit usage", but "build better roads".
Multicasting to the rescue (Score:5, Insightful)
It's all about tiered QOS (Score:4, Insightful)
As an example, if a given company (can anyone say "Google"?) wanted to provide VoIP telephone service with a guaranteed, deterministic, bit-rate allocated to each connection, they would sign a contract with a particular ISP and pay certain licensing fees and so on. The controversy arises because we could reach a point where a large chunk of bandwidth is dedicated to these paid-for streams, and the rest of the world is left with a best-effort attempt at whatever's left over. This would of course leave the smaller companies out in the cold. If CNN.com pays the premium to provided guaranteed QOS for it's streaming audio, and another, smaller site does not, well, guess who's video is going to look better?
At the moment, there is still a lot of dark fiber and unused bandwidth in the backbone, such that the real bottlenecks, if any, are in the last mile to the house, so it's not an issue. Yet. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out, but it's not hard to envision a future where the days of all internet sites being equal are long gone.
Should people pay for the bandwidth they use? (Score:2, Insightful)
Most big ISPs (comcast, verizon, etc.) charge a typical flat rate for monthly service. So Bobby checking his email pays the same as Grandma downloading those high-quality Frank Sinatra mpegs.
But maybe there's another way to do this- monthly fees based upon data transfer. I pay it now as the host, but maybe the consumer should pay some metered/scaled/tiered rate?
It's easy enough to compute transfer rates per account (they do this now in a limited way so they can send warnings to people consuming too much bandwidth) and the ISPs would relaize more revenue (so their stock holders would like it).
Finally, the companies could make many confusing, multi-tierd plans and market the bejesus out of them like the cell phone companies do. Whoa.. think I just hit the ugly part...
Re:We've been here before. (Score:4, Insightful)
And itunes for Gods sake! What the hell? Do vod-casts (or whatever the sheep call them) really account for a significant amount of traffic? I doubt it.
Astroturf (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep (Score:3, Insightful)
It's all about control, and the fear of losing it.
Re:Let the info blitz begin (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Networks and roads (Score:2, Insightful)
From my own experience around several cities, roughly 25% of all congestion comes from the fact that the exits are too narrow. When you build out your freeway to 10 lanes, and your exits are one lane each, you're going to have complete standstills when three lanes of cars try to cram their way into that exit. Once one lane stops, people will use the next lane over, drive up to the exit, then simply halt traffic while waiting for some kind soul to let them in. Once that lane has backed up, the next lane over repeats the same process, thanks to the number of kindergarten dropouts out there who failed to learn how to wait in line. This of course doesn't count the number of idiots who wouldn't recognize a street sign if it smacked them in the face, who slam on their brakes in the left lane 10 feet from the exit, and force their way through traffic to get off, sometimes blocking several lanes at a time. (I've seen some full sized extended cab pickups pulling this maneuver off while blocking three at a time, turned completely perpendicular to the freeway.)
Another 5% goes to exits that are wide enough but too close to a stoplight once you've gotten off. I drive past one of these every evening on my way home from work, and traffic backs up from the stoplight, onto the freeway, and up past the previous entrance preventing people from getting on the freeway.
Entrace ramps have their share of problems too. It's difficult to enter a freeway at full speed, moreso when you have to fight your way through stopped traffic (like in the case above) to pull onto the freeway at 0 MPH. The number of entrance ramps placed just before exit ramps is mindboggling. People getting on have to fight the people getting off, leading to slowdowns.
Another cause of congestion on freeways is the complete and utter lack of enforcement on the minimum speed limit (assuming there is one on the freeway where you are). Not just the guy out for aa very leisurely drive, but also overloaded dump trucks who couldn't go 45 unless they were falling off the side of a mountain and people with junkers that would probably burst into flame if they tried. Nearly all freeways have frontage/service roads with speed limits (that I've seen personally) ranging from 35-50, where these slowpokes could drive to their fullest potential without causing grief to those of us who drive vehicles that have not been likewise crippled. "Slow traffic keep right"... and the rightmost lanes are the ones on the frontage road. This can be helped with more lanes, but when these slowpokes drive in a center or even left lane, it causes a considerable amount of confusion and slowdowns (especially in the lanes around the car, as people who pull up behind the car tend to instinctively slow down before attempting to change lanes).
The rest are accidents, emergency vehicles, and just slowdowns for the hell of it, where you get to the other end and theres no sign of any reason to have been driving slow all this time. The only thing that will fix the first two would be to breed the desire to gawk at flashing lights and mangled cars out of the human race, while the latter needs more investigation into the actual cause.
Re:They aren't worried about traffic "jams" (Score:3, Insightful)
Planted story tobuild support for tiered Internet? (Score:4, Insightful)
Then there's a plug for "Itiva", which has some technology they call "Quantum Streaming" (tm). Itiva's web site is vague, but this seems to be more about DRM than transmission: "Itiva enables publishers and media content owners to monetize media content. The technology protects copyrighted material, supports embedded advertising, and defines the future direction of video publishing over the Internet." Itiva has done a demo, one that basically demonstrates that if you have 5.5Mb/s to the user, streaming works reasonably well.