Cracking Crypto To Get Into College 373
Kallahar writes "New Scientist is running a story about a Canadian university who had students break an encrypted message in order to get into college. A good idea to grab a good student, but here in 'Free' America these kids would have been thrown in jail for violating the DMCA ..."
Re:The DMC is bad enough - you needn't make stuff (Score:3, Informative)
It is worth pointing out that Timothy isn't the one who made that comment. It was the submitter, Kallahar...
Re:The DMC is bad enough - you needn't make stuff (Score:4, Informative)
You mean like when Professor Felten was threatened because he met the challenge to break SDMI?
Proffesor Felten was threatened when he attempted to publish his results - The specific charge, as I recall, was distribution of a circumvention device. This is different, one notable difference being that most universities won't try to sue you for entering their contest.
the details (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The DMC is bad enough - you needn't make stuff (Score:2, Informative)
Disclosure of procedure is different than just doing something.
Link to puzzle (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.whatmagnet.com/gofigure/index.html [whatmagnet.com]
not really OT (Score:2, Informative)
This reminds me of the Try2Hack [try2hack.nl] website.. It consists of 10 or so challenges, each one harder than the previous, involving html/javascript, java, vb, packet sniffing, etc.
It would be great to see something like this as a final exam for anyone studying networks or security.
Article was short on details (Score:3, Informative)
That was simple (Score:3, Informative)
Re:the code (Score:3, Informative)
Heh, they can call it encryption if they want, but this is encryption on the same scale as ROT-13. The message is encoded in the Base-4 number system with each number being the alphabet's letter's numerical position. so a = 1, z = 26. Or encoded, a = 001, z = 122.
And like numerous people have pointed out, while this contest in itself can't lead to a DMCA violation, the sad thing is, a piece of software "encrypted" with this algorithm could.
=) (Score:1, Informative)
from the university
of lethbridge
do the math.
formula:
find the sum of all decimal
digits appearing in the natural
numbers from one to one million
inclusive.
contest entries must be
received by december 12/31/01
to enter online: visit
www.uleth.ca
and submit your
answer.
mail: send your answer, along
with your name, full address and
phone number to go figure what
magazine, 108,93 lombard avenue,
winnipeg, mb, r3b3b1.
Re:Doesn't make you a good student (Score:3, Informative)
Wow.. I actually graduated from that University... (Score:1, Informative)
Speaking from experience, the CS courses there rival many of the larger Canadian Universities, and actually exceed them. If that's one thing the UofL teaches you, it's how to critically think, and code.
Sweet!
Re:The DMC is bad enough - you needn't make stuff (Score:3, Informative)
I doubt they even bothered to copyright it.
Anything you write is automatically copyrighted. You don't have to register it or anything anymore.
Spoiler (Score:2, Informative)
The sum of 1 to 9 is 45. so the sum of each column is 45 * 100,000 = 4,500,000. There are six columns of digits, so multiply that by six to get 27,000,000. Now add the sum of the digits of 1,000,000.
The answer: 27,000,001
Re:Man, this is easy (Score:2, Informative)
From my experience: I went to UEA. I chose them because at the time, they had the best N. American exchange program. York and Lancaster also had programs, but not as good. Cats college in Cambridge told me I could do an exchange, but I would have to set it up myself. That and their requirement of an A in Further Maths A-Level on top of A's in Maths and Physics (and not Geology which I was really good at) made me decide on Norwich
My exchange year was spent at Carleton University in Ottawa. That place has the rep. of being second to Ottawa University (like a poly), but also for having really low entrance requirements. It was much harder for those people to get into the second year. Take it two ways: 1) they give people a chance who have failed to get in elsewhere; 2) they're money grabbing b******s who will let in anybody, take their mullah and not give them a degree
The work was different than at a British university, but not necessarily to a lower standard. To be good at a British university required excessive reading around a subject. Being good at the Canadian one required working excessively hard, even if the work was not immensely challenging (try doing 4 or 5 courses in one semester with 5 one week projects for each). I did learn some good transferable skills at Carleton (e.g. OO), and take some of the main courses needed for my BCS (???) accreditation (as if anybody in the real world cares about that). They were way ahead of UEA in the OO department - e.g. UEA moved from structured programming to OOP the year after I came back by switching to teaching C++ instead of Modula-2 to the 1st year students.
Re:The DMC is bad enough - you needn't make stuff (Score:3, Informative)
Wasn't all that hard..... (Score:2, Informative)
-sonicsft
NSA Problems (Score:2, Informative)
2^(2^(2^2 + 1) - 1) - 1 = 2^31 - 1: Mersenne prime
Re:Disclaimer? (Score:3, Informative)
Do any of you guys try to find stuff out on your own, or do you just regurgitate the shit that Slashdot feeds you.
The DMCA is about copyright, not about decrypting a message in base four. Geez. If Adobe (as just a hypothetical example) decided to encrypt their PDF files in base four, then it would be illegal to decrypt those files. But it would NOT be illegal to decrypt any non-PDF base four encodings. The DMCA is Evil enough without you inventing yet new Evils for it.
In summary, no one needs any damn disclaimer to use base four (or rot13). Get real.
Re:Ok, I was bored. (Score:4, Informative)
For a series that would be
(n + 1) * (n / 2)
The answer is (45 * (10 ^(n-1)) * n) + 1 where n is the power of ten, 6 in this case.
Re:..Minus the slashdotisms (Score:2, Informative)
It is a small undergraduate university and unless its grown tremendously since I left one hundred students would be a huge increase in enrollment for the department of compting science. Intro courses in math had maybe 50-60 people and my compiler construction class had only 8 people in it!
There was equal emphasis on theory and practical application. One downside was that the school could not afford any sexy hardware, but that is not as important as learning the basics in my opinion. Nor did it have a Electrical Engineering department. I would like to have learned more about hardware and that's the only difference that I notice when comparing myself to the tech people that I meet where I live now (Calgary, Alberta).
The University of Lethbridge is a particularly good place to go for a science degree because the work that is usually left to grad students at larger institutions is sometimes done by eager undergrad students. I had one friend who had his name on a paper accepted to an academic journal while he was in his forth year of chemistry.
Macleans, a national news magazine similar Time or Newsweek, rates the canadian universities each year. The University of Lethbridge rates just behind the bigger canadian universities like Waterloo, University of Toronto, University of British Columbia, McGill etc.
Makes me almost miss the place. Almost!
The answer is 27,000,001 (Score:3, Informative)
This is a harder problem than you might think, but it's not helped by the idiots who can't even understand the question and try to add the numbers 1 to 1,000,000.
Re:The DMC is bad enough - you needn't make stuff (Score:2, Informative)
Second, it may be feasible that a college student could be charged with something under the DMCA if the university got some bug up its arse over him/her; but it would require an idiot of a prosecutor. The university invited the act, and it would end up much as if they had hired the kid to break into their own office as a test of security. Weird things happen, so I'd never say never; but let's try to show a bit more reason.
Stop it! (Score:5, Informative)
I think slashdot is perpetuating misunderstanding about this law, and I think that hurts our cause. Being informed is the first and most important step. Otherwise, we are just clueless zealots.