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Exponential Assembly Top Down Nano

Posted by Hemos on Mon Jan 22, 2001 05:00 AM
from the making-this-better dept.
NanotechNews.com writes: "The article describes a new milestone in the Top Down nanotechnology process: "Exponential assembly is a manufacturing architecture starting with a single tiny robotic arm on a surface. This first robotic arm makes a second robotic arm on a facing surface by picking up miniature parts ? carefully laid out in advance in exactly the right locations so the tiny robotic arm can find them ? and assembling them. This is an exponential growth rate, hence the name exponential assembly." Standard MEMS, the largest independent high-volume manufacturer of Micro Electro Mechanical Systems and Zyvex created a partnership, the second article available here. This partnership could lead to a better assembling technology in MEMS and the Top-Down Nanotechnology and Nanolithography."
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  • finally by vkt-tje (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @12:02AM
  • dns style? (Score:3)

    by zencode (234108) on Monday January 22 2001, @12:07AM (#491317) Homepage
    what i want to know is, ...does each arm have the knowledge - independant of each other or something else - of how to complete it's job.

    My .02,

  • MEMS - to - Nano by Schwarzchild (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @12:19AM
  • by devphil (51341) on Monday January 22 2001, @12:26AM (#491319) Homepage


    Anybody else remember that scene in Mostly Harmless where Ford Prefect breaks down the door to the head editor's office?

    There are little nanotech bots in the doorframe whose sole purpose in life is to wait until this happens. Then they crawl out of the frame, assemble each other into larger bots, rebuild the door, disassemble each other, crawl back into frame, and wait...

    Anyhow, I know some people working with MEMS. Very cool stuff.

  • so what? by AndyChrist (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @12:36AM
  • huh? by zencode (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @12:40AM
  • Re:huh? by tono (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @01:07AM
  • Alrighty! by Rhinobird (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @01:35AM
  • Re:They're gonna take over the world by Omnifarious (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @01:54AM
  • Then what? by Deanasc (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @01:58AM
  • by rde (17364) on Monday January 22 2001, @02:08AM (#491326)
    Elsewhere on Xyzzy's site you can find the original nanotech (and, indeed, MEMS to nano) talk; "There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom". If you've read anything about Feynman, you're already a fan. If you haven't, this [zyvex.com] is a good place to start.
  • Programmable? by Arkleseizure (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:17AM
  • by fantom_winter (194762) on Monday January 22 2001, @02:18AM (#491328)
    Okay, picture a 2-D surface upon which these parts are laid. Now there is one arm in the middle of this. Let's say that each arm produces another arm in t=1. Now there are 2 arms, then 4, etc... Hence the O(2^n) sorta growth rate.

    Here is my question. Assuming the arms are stationary, it is reasonable to assume that they can only build an arm adjacent to itself (and if they move, moving would be a O(n) process).... This means that for any grid area n^2, there are(n+2)^2 adjacent squares.

    Because of this fact, I don't see how these things can achieve any more than a O(n^2) growth rate, because the adjacent resources available to these bots would be O(n^2).

    Anyone know how these buggers get around this limitation?

  • Intriguing concept. . . by Salgak1 (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:18AM
  • Nice concept, but how do you .. by RedLaggedTeut (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:23AM
  • Re:Hitchhiker's Guide was there first by grammar nazi (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @02:24AM
  • Re:How does this work? by Helge Hafting (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:25AM
  • Re:huh? by BradleyUffner (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:25AM
  • Re:How does this work? by grammar nazi (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @02:31AM
  • Re:How does this work? by fantom_winter (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:35AM
  • Re:Hitchhiker's Guide was there first by cyberdonny (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:36AM
  • Re:How does this work? by fantom_winter (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:38AM
  • Why just scratch BACKS by AndyChrist (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @02:46AM
  • This reminds me of an old short story by kmcardle (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @03:05AM
  • Re:dns style? by fantom_winter (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @03:13AM
  • Re:Hitchhiker's Guide was there first by CiaranMc (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @03:13AM
  • Please read the article by gnalle (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @03:18AM
  • Re:How does this work? by boldra (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @03:34AM
  • by RobertFisher (21116) on Monday January 22 2001, @03:34AM (#491344) Journal
    First, I think you are correct in pointing out that exponential growth cannot strictly apply for very long before the system becomes "starved" for resources. This is true in natural populations, and we expect the same should apply here.

    However, your order estimates are incorrect.

    This means that for any grid area n^2, there are(n+2)^2 adjacent squares.

    Yes, and the rate of growth is determined by the difference between these two, which is O (n), not O(n^2).

    Because of this fact, I don't see how these things can achieve any more than a O(n^2) growth rate, because the adjacent resources available to these bots would be O(n^2).

    In fact, it is O (n). To easily visualize this, imagine the system in 1D for a moment. After the first unit assembles its nearest neighbors, each additional unit builds the next unit at the end of the line of units. This leads to a constant rate of growth. In 2D, the rate of growth is determined by the rate of change of the area, not length, which leads to O (n). In 3D, the rate of growth is determined by the rate of change of the volume, which leads to O (n^2). The result in each case is easy to visualize : it is limited by the boundary of the N-D volume the units have already filled.

    All this said, I think this whole discussion doesn't emphasize that even an O (n) growth rate can be vastly enormous for large enough n. The main problem is that it appears much slower to start up than a truly exponential process, which could be realized for a longer duration if the newly built units were "mixed" randomly into the grid. This could be the case if each unit could be assigned to move some random distance under its own power, after each building cycle. Eventually, however, the exponential rate of growth will turn over when the system's capacity is reached.

  • Re:How does this work? by fantom_winter (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:09AM
  • It would be exponential by Arkleseizure (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:15AM
  • Re:How does this work? by Arkleseizure (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:19AM
  • Re:This reminds me of an old short story by kmcardle (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:43AM
  • Re:huh? by Blade (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:48AM
  • Re:Then what? by Blade (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:50AM
  • Simplified, or what? by Simon Hibbs (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:53AM
  • Re:Nice concept, but how do you .. by seanellis (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:56AM
  • This was proposed by Robert Heinlein in Waldo-1950 by macemoneta (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @05:18AM
  • Hey stupid moderator! by 91degrees (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @05:27AM
  • Demoronize /. by SEWilco (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @05:36AM
  • Re:dns style? by caffeinated_bunsen (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @05:40AM
  • Re:They're gonna take over the world by 91degrees (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @05:49AM
  • Re:huh? by villy (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @05:50AM
  • How do you "feed" a robotic arm? by renoX (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @06:20AM
  • Grey goo takes over the world, film at 11 by ConceptJunkie (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @06:25AM
  • bootstrap problem ahead! by Lumberjock (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @06:32AM
  • Re:Alrighty! by BMazurek (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @06:40AM
  • Nanobots!, a poem by Orifice (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @07:42AM
  • I love you, Xev/Zev! by Aciel (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @07:56AM
  • Re:How does this work? by dlkf (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @08:07AM
  • Re:How does this work? by fantom_winter (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @08:48AM
  • gingerbread men by alan2001 (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @09:10AM
  • It's not exponential by The NT Christ (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @09:18AM
  • Re:How does this work? by Joe 'Nova' (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @09:37AM
  • Re:Demoronize /. by BeanThere (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @09:42AM
  • Re:Hitchhiker's Guide was there first by Uberminky (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @09:59AM
  • Re:Hey stupid moderator! by cheetham (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @10:01AM
  • Re:I love you, Xev/Zev! by cheetham (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @10:03AM
  • Re:It's not exponential by Orifice (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @10:54AM
  • Re:Alrighty! by tim_maroney (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @11:07AM
  • Re:How does this work? by dlkf (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @11:25AM
  • It's quadratic or linear growth, isn't it by jeti (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @12:25PM
  • Re:How does this work? by grammar nazi (Score:2) Monday January 22 2001, @12:59PM
  • exponential till you build something practicle by bug1 (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @04:50PM
  • Heinlein already did this in "Waldo" by John Constantine (Score:1) Monday January 22 2001, @09:08PM
  • Re:How does this work? by Winged Cat (Score:1) Tuesday January 23 2001, @01:45PM