Hardwoodware 107
hamster writes: "Chris Pauli took computer case customizations to a new high: an oak cube. Looks like a lot of work!" I believe this is what happened to Flay's cutting board after he threw it away.
Understanding is always the understanding of a smaller problem in relation to a bigger problem. -- P.D. Ouspensky
Better hardwoods to use... (Score:1)
... Black Walnut - Very Hard, Very Nice
... Zebrawood - Mmmmmmm....stripes
... Combo (Purpleheart & Yellowheart) - for all of the LSU fans out there
I am a woodworker and I am upset of the lack of quality that came with this case. I noted almost right away the table saw burn marks and the shoddy router work. Take some time guys and do it right for now on!
I can think of many other ways to spruce (hehe) up this project: inlay around the entire case,
If you are worried about cost, do the whole thing in pine and then cover it with burl veneer!
Re:Cute (Score:1)
I think more case fans could solve this problem. Elevating the bottom couldn't hurt either - I don't see much of a space for air to get in the bottom, and I don't see fans (just grills) on those bottom holes.
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Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:3)
It seems to me that a wood case would have to have the same kind of shielding as a plastic case, and borrowing some ideas from Apple's beige Macs would probably be worth looking into.
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The crowning touch (Score:2)
The top ould be dressed up with a flower vase sitting on a doilly.Politenessman sez, "Always use a doilly daily."
Emissions is one reason! Then weight, etc. (Score:2)
So if you have a wooden case, it still needs a layer of shielding, either on the inside our outside. So you might as well just make the case out of sheetmetal and dispense with the wood.
Then there is the weight, and the fact that wood is a good thermal insulator.
I think that cost could be an issue for cases made of a quality hardwood. The whole idea here, to me, is to get an esthetic cabinet made of a finer material; making it out of plywood or MDF kind of defeats the purpose, since these materials are inferior to metal or even plastic. (Yet, people *will* buy particleboard garbage if it has veneer---this is the founding principle behind IKEA, for instance). The cost for cranking out pine, plywood or MDF cases in high volumes is probably not much greater than ordinary cases, but once you get into the better hardwoods, it gets more expensive. Never mind oak, how about a case made of bubinga, wenge and other such hardwoods? Why stop at cases? I'd like a keyboard made of zebrawood, with ebony keycaps, either without labels or labels made using mother-of-pearl inlay.
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:2)
I've got a few early sketches in SVG format at:
http://www.plasticaztec.com/mediacabinet/mcab2fro
http://www.plasticaztec.com/mediacabinet/mcab2fro
The Adobe SVG plugin is available at: www.adobe.com/svg/ [adobe.com]
Yeah I skipped some. (Score:2)
Ok I can't do it any more. I'm afraid I'll summon that energizer bunny.
Sleep time.
W
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Who cares? (Score:4)
once [slashdot.org]?
twice? [slashdot.org]
three times? [slashdot.org]
four times? [slashdot.org]
five times? [slashdot.org]
six times? [slashdot.org]
or do you want the palm pilot version? [slashdot.org]
I mean, yeah. You can make cases out of cool stuff. I guess the reason I'm pissed is cuz people are submitting real important items [somethingawful.com] and they're getting rejected.
W
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OT - Re:"Branding" his case (Score:2)
-r0
A few suggestions. (Score:2)
Wood is a thermal insulator.
Wood can be expensive.
Wood does not provide RF shielding.
Wood is more fragile.
Re:Too late (Score:1)
>late for that one.
yeah, so are all of us who entered college in computer scinece programs before 'Dubya got elected.
Funny thing is though, a lot of us have the same aspirations. I had nearly the same list of things to do, but the custom case I dea never entered my mind until I saw the may 2001 issue of maximum PC, where they had step-by-step instructions on how to customize a case. I thought it was actually a very worthwhile article, and I ended up using it to mod out several pieces of hardware, including my netgear ethernet switch, my cases, and my data switch.
If you ask me the customized cases are going to be big, and i think that anybody that can do them, and do them well could end up making a killing doing so. (Alienware for example. not totally customized, but very close to it).
just my semi-offtopic, but related comments.
..From the ppl that brought you the concrete canoe (Score:1)
I build my computer into the wall :) (Score:5)
It works extremely well. Best part is that my box is *completely* quiet. It's like having a fanless box. I've almost started to get annoyed by the noise my monitor makes. :)
It looks pretty cool too.
-henrik
Re: (Score:2)
Re:I build my computer into the wall :) (Score:1)
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:2)
You'd to make a formwork for the base and sides. (I'd leave one long side open and put glass on it, or maybe perspex.)
For something the size of a PC case, I doubt you'd require reinforcing, which is generally only required when the concrete may be subjected to tensile forces rather than compressive forces. (spot the civil engineer, huh?)
However, to improve shielding, a chickenwire mesh would serve as adequate reinforcing and as a faraday cage.
Mixing the amount of concrete would be easy, and doable by hand. You'd want to keep the amounts of gravel down to keep it a very smooth mix. It'll take at least seven days to dry and preferable a month before you start attaching things to it. The precise details of attaching motherboards and such to a concrete base, I'll leave to others.
Bristol University in the UK regularly makes concrete canoes as part of their Civil Engineering training, and I think they use the chicken wire mesh to keep the flexibility in the concrete. The real problem with a concrete canone is not the weight but the lack of flexibility.
dave
Got wood? (Score:1)
For Luddites Only (Score:1)
How about... (Score:1)
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:2)
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:1)
Basically, I procrastinate a lot
Its pretty easy to work marble with a dremmel and a cutting disk. (as long as you cool the bit down with water) Then you just have to re-polish the cut edges.
I had been toying with the idea of using a local precision water jet cutting company to cut the form, but I think I'll do the first one by hand.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Too late (Score:1)
Re:Look at Apple hacks (Score:1)
Look at Apple hacks (Score:3)
*Yawn* A wood case sounds like filler, I've seen far better wood cases on /. before
Well, why a case at all? (Score:2)
Don't cut away the card slot part and you have support for at least one end of the cards, hell who has many full-length cards? The rest hang loose on the other end anyway.
If the cpu fan whine irritates just replace it with a bigger, slower fan that moves as much air - no other fans should be needed, the open box would let convection keep things pretty near room temperature.
Just the thing to show off your new Voodoo XIV or whatever, but be sure to watch out for the Pepsi syndrome.
One word (Score:2)
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
(Forgive me, it's 3 am)
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ATT 6300 (Score:1)
The most interesting thing of that case venture wasn't so much the wood (although with air holes in the front in a geometric pattern it was pleasing) it was that I used a 20 meg hard card to boot from - and sometimes the platter wouldn't start to spin so I'd slide the case open just enough to reach in and manually start that platter spinning!!!
HardRock (Score:1)
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:2)
I tried painting all of my stuff with that rock paint once. Maybe I should have sealed it, because it didn't do so well. It did look nice for a day or so, but when paint chips start falling into the CD-ROM drive, it is time to cut the losses.
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:2)
well i think it comes down to the fact that wood is very expensive. all the slashdot geeks would just say "bah, why would i pay for wood when i can just get a big ol' metal case?" :)
but i digress. i heard a while back (while i was living in the Bay Area) of a guy that paid a professional woodworker to exactly replicate the plastic covers of a PowerMac G3 case (the same case they use for the current G4s [apple.com]) out of oak. i guess it cost him hundreds of dollars, but damn that would be a nice looking case. does anybody know this guy? i'd love to see a picture of that case!
- j
Sweet ! (Score:1)
Mhh, beer !...
Re:Well, why a case at all? (Score:1)
Dropped a small metal screwdriver into it... Ooops.
My computer is now in a a full tower case, with the side off.
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:1)
Haven't seen a stone case yet either. Discreet [discreet.com] make a fibre-channel disk array that is called Stone [discreet.com], but it's case is made of steel. Ho-hum.
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I was tinking about the same thing (Score:1)
Re:Emissions (Score:1)
cheers.
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:1)
Wood? Get LEGO (Score:1)
It was a little bit expensive but it did solve a couple of interesting problems:
worldcitizen
hehe (Score:1)
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:1)
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Are there any plastics that conduct? Any plastic/metal compounds?
I'm actually interested now... Oh well, there goes my homework.
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:2)
I think the author's point should be taken to heart. I have several computers at home right now. I would never do a thing to any of the Mac cases (except for the decommissioned Classic that I'm currently thinking about fishtanking); with the exception of the 4400 and the Q850/9500-style cases I don't think Apple has ever created a really ugly piece of hardware. But I have a boring HP Vectra and a hideous Compaq Prolinea pizzabox that just scream for some kind of flashiness.
Why not a nice wooden case, though? Yes, it would be quite the luxury item (I'd probably expect $300-$400 per case for a plain old ATX minitower enclosure), but it isn't all that bad an idea at all. You might have to rethink some furniture construction norms, though -- it would be significantly bigger than a normal case to enhance airflow, for example, and jointing techniques would probably be vastly different from normal furniture (I'd think some variation on the post-cam construction in some cheap shelves I bought a couple of months ago), but it would definitely sell, if only in smallish numbers.
The big question is who would build it, though. If you're going to do something like this, do it right, right? That means no sawdustboard prefabs, and no cheezy stick-a-case-in-a-cabinet copouts.
/Brian
Re:Interesting, (Score:1)
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
This is perfect for Quickies, but we haven't had any in several months! What the heck is up?
drive bezels look out of place (Score:1)
Just wondering (Score:1)
Re:Just wondering (Score:1)
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Why haven't others used wood? (Score:2)
Re:Look at Apple hacks (Score:1)
Thank you for enlightening me!
Re:Look at Apple hacks (Score:1)
BTW next time reply with your normal user account, you aren't fooling anyone.
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Re:Interesting, (Score:1)
The slashdot 2 minute between postings limit: /.'ers since Spring 2001.
Pissing off hyper caffeineated
Interesting, (Score:4)
It's cool, but I wonder about "heat" issues. Warm air blowing through something tends to dry it out pretty well.
Nevertheless, a very cool mod.
Equally cool mod done to the virgin webplayer. Go forth and slashdot him. Someone please post a mirror.
He wants to solar power this too.
http://www.unternet.org/~frank/projects/webplay
Some specs:
- sheet metal case (used to be part of an army 2-stroke fuel pack)
- 6 mm polycarbonate ('lexan') 'screen'
- aluminium chassis, doubling as processor cooler
- 2 * IBM Travelstar 20GB drives
- internal 12V->5V converter based on Max724
- external interfaces: USB, power, audio, modem
- IR keyboard
- DOC as 'emergency backup OS', it contains a small GNU/Linux installation.
I might choose to leave out the DOC and the modem, and go for an external USB modem instead. Anyone know a good place in Vancouver to buy stuff like that? I only need the modem when I find myself in the vicinity of a telephone, so I can put some imagery on the website I'll make for the trip.
It will be hosting a webcam which will snap a picture every X seconds and record 'interesting' sound events (hence the two drives, the trip will take about 2.5 months so I need quite a lot of disk space). It runs a slightly modified Debian GNU/Linux 'testing' distribution (currently using the 2.4.4 kernel with some USB patches). Agressive use of APM keeps power consumption down (eg. screen blank after 2 minute, I won't need the screen anyway most of the time. The camera will be mounted on a headband, or just attached to the canoe somewhere, and merrily document the whole trip.
The slashdot 2 minute between postings limit: /.'ers since Spring 2001.
Pissing off hyper caffeineated
Some ideas to improve the case (Score:3)
Since he had such nice wood, it might have been better to conceal the drives within, and use one of the solid pieces of oak on a hinge for the front piece. Think of how a small fridge or, in this case, a cabinet opens.
One other thought is more vents. He could have easily made a few slats to allow more cooling, and probably thrown in a couple more fans while he was at it. All in all nice. After all, I don't have an oak PC case.
Wood Case links (Score:2)
http://www.overclockers.com/articles154/ [overclockers.com]
about wood computer cases by TechStyle Computers [overclockers.com]
There was this Ask Slashdot [slashdot.org] story on the EMF questions as well.
And Tech Style was featured in a slash story here [slashdot.org]
Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip
Assembly (Score:1)
For the goatse paranoid: http://thistothat.com
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Booyah
What the hell are you talking about??? (Score:1)
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Steampunk dreams (Score:2)
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
"With a rubber duck, one's never alone."
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
Start your own page..."Dotslash; all the news that's not fit to print."
~sabine
ps - I'm serious; we need more geeknews pages. There can never be too many.
Noise levels reduced? (Score:1)
I'm confused... (Score:1)
Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:5)
On the other hand, I'd kill (or pay $$$) for a STONE case. Any kind. Black marble or onyx or maybe granite or even just reinforced concrete. Something very heavy, very primitive and very ageless-looking. No LEDs showing, hidable drive bays... So that most of the time, it's just a stone cube, sitting in the corner, being heavy.
Oh, the romance...
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Screws in wood? (Score:1)
However I think the woodworking skills here are to be desired. I would have used dowels to seal the box. Less visible and much more artistic. Also the choice of wood allthough done on a budget could have been better. Another idea I was beaten too. oh well at least I still have a shot at making those millions. McK
Re:News? (Score:1)
i don't think it's mainstream.
Thanks, but I already own a Northstar.... (Score:2)
"Branding" his case (Score:3)
On an unrelated note, Flay still managed to annoy Morimoto even after he removed the cutting board.
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
However, making these commercially available (and that's the magic words, kids) would at the very least double or triple the price. You're talking manufacturing costs, shipping costs, all kinds of silly-ass regulations, etc, etc. Also, how many different models of cases are out there? And it's much easier to make modular metal and plastic cases then modular wood ones. Wood tends to break easier, requires more care, etc.
Just my take on it...
Kierthos
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Honestly, I have no idea how they did the shielding in the new iMacs, but the imbedded wire cage does seem to be one option. Are there any plastics with EM shielding properties?
Kierthos
Re:I build my computer into the wall :) (Score:1)
Too late (Score:2)
Own my own computer (checked off early 1996)
Build my own computer (checked off late 1996)
Custom build my own computer case (checked off May 28, 2001)
Make millions in computer industry (unchecked)
Note that last goal. He's about 1 president too late for that one.
Re:Wood... ho hum. What about stone? (Score:1)
cheers
I'd worry more about actual Fire (Score:1)
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Some little physics... (Score:4)
So I thought I'd go into it. Since its 1:30am, and heck, its not like I really need the sleep. =)
(1) I noticed that on this Oak case, I didn't see and vents of the sort. Just an extra fan. Vents are good.
(2)There is a reason that cases are metal. Besides the obvious fact that its easy to produce and its cheaper. This being that the Thermal conductivity of Aluminum is 240 W/(m*Celcius), but for Oak, this is sooo much less, ranking in at just 0.15 W/(m*Celsius).
Conduction of heat through a material is = (Thermal Conductivity)*(Cross sectional Area)*(Change in temp between the outside and the inside of the box)*(time) / (width of the wood)
So one can see that having a larger value of Thermal Conductivity allows alot more heat to transfer through. And visa versa for a smaller.
Case in point, a metal case will allow alot more heat to flow through it than a wooden case.
Hey!!! We should build houses from Wood!!! Ummm, oh ya...nevermind. =)
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
That's rediculous. Most computers do sit in a wood enclosure. A desk. Not all of them are completely enclosed because of cooling requirements. I know I had a nice wooden desk with a door in the front for the computer compartment but BOY would it get hot in there! What people could be building are desks with cooled / ventilated enclosures that you can just put your case in directly. Of course there's still the necessity to run all the cables, etc. which makes it a slightly more challenging cooling puzzle. Then there's the pesky access to removable media, etc. What we need is wireless everything, so that the noisy / bulky stuff can all be somewhere else. Hmmm...but how do we make a wireless powercable...
-wyck
Get out the sticky backed plastic (Score:3)
Much better would be to do the job properly and use a dovetail joint.
I know the guy is living off welfare and had to save up for the case by collecting empty bottles and selling a kidney but I don't see why the result should be held up as an example to the rest of us. If we are going to have designer cases they should look better than standard ones. That case looks worse than the average homebrew of the 70s.
If we are going to do non-standard case stories lets at least see pretty ones.
Wood cases (Score:1)
Re:Who cares? (Score:1)
When a new twist is brought to the table or a new twist on a new twist, then why not highlight it. Plus, not everyone started reading Slashdot when they were 3 months old and not everyone spends 3 hours a day reading it, either.
"slashdotted..." (Score:2)
The ooold days... (Score:1)
This isn't a new notion by a long stretch. The first time I recall seeing an article on wood enclosures was in Interface Age magazine in about 1977. If you ever find an archive of old old computer magazines (Interface Age, Creative Computing etc) you'll find several articles on this topic (Build A Classy Enclosure For Your Super-Hot 6502 System!) between the 70's and 80's.
Re:Too late (Score:1)
-Lasse
How Cool (Score:1)
Wood case (Score:1)
Cute (Score:1)
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
Also the ugly plastic door of the CDrom and floppy hardly mix with the fine Hardwood. Just why bother to put them together.
A little fable about computer cases... (Score:3)
But when Mr. Badday.mpg threw a temper tantrum in the next cube, he huffed and he puffed and came over and kicked the little programmer's computer, and the straw case crumbled and the little programmer's work was all lost - oh, no! And Mr. Badday.mpg was moved to another cube by a sweet little HR princess. And this cube was farther away from the boss who didn't like to hear temper tantrums, but right next to the second little programmer.
The next little programmer was a little smarter. In addition to not using goto's every ten lines in his code, he built his computer case out of wood. But when the Mr Badday.mpg threw another, bigger temper tantrum in his new cube, he huffed and he puffed and he came next door and picked up the little programmer's wood-case computer and smashed it against the wall. Oh no, oh no! There was a hole in the drywall and the computer was ruined! And the little programmer had to download all his Britney Spears mp3's again! And Mr Badday.mpg was moved to another floor, so that his rage could be ignored by management. Of course, he wound up next to our third programmer.
Now, this little programmer was smarter than all the rest. He built his computer case out of bricks (he was a big fan of the song "Brick House" by the Commodores; also "Word Up" by Cameo, but I digress). Oh, his computer case was a strong one! And when Mr. Badday.mpg blew not one, not two, but three full gaskets one Monday morning (sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays!), he came over to the third little programmer's cube because he had destroyed his own PC but had lots of nasty old rage left in him. He kicked and kicked the brick PC, but it didn't budge. He took his keyboard and smashed it on the brick PC, all the while the little programmer's work was safe. So Mr. Badday.mpg bent over and grasped the brick PC, but when he tried to lift it, he threw out his back and had to go on workman's comp.
Epilogue:
The brick PC was safe after its beating, and the third little programmer finished his open-source Linux DVD player, but then Big Bad Mr. Jack Valenti had the Army Corps of Engineers dynamite the brick PC. Sorry, that's how these things end up. In real life, the wolf always wins.
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Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:1)
here is a sample: http://applefritter.com/hacks/index.html [applefritter.com]
I Rather like the machine in the Zenith radio case (wood), the popsicle stick case (also wood) the ShopMac, and the 33.6 in the antique toaster.
go up one level and look at the computers built out of building blocks.
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heat conductance (Score:2)
what about heat conductance ? wood is a good insualtor, I would guess this case is actually a very BAD engineering solution.
not to say that hardware can't be aesthetic.
Re:Why haven't others used wood? (Score:2)
Back when computers had clock rates of 90Mhz-100Mhz, their clock rates landed squarely in the middle of the FM band spectrum. Thus, if you had the case off, it didn't act as a faraday cage and caused interference with nearby FM equipment at those frequencies. The interference was weak, but still audible. Putting the case back on took away the interference, since the faraday cage didn't let radio frequencies through.
Besides, metal cases are very durable and very cheap to manufacture, not to mention that they are a proven concept.
I find the design interesting and boring (Score:1)
I find the idea of a wood computer to case to be rather intriguing as it is something completly against the grain. (No Pun Intended) As I have never seen a commercially available computer case.
I am interested in knowing how many people would like to have such cases in classic designs. They would not be cheap as the costs of the wood alone would be rather expensive. Then there would be the cost of the metal components and the weight for shipment. All in all I could see cases as simple as the cube selling for nearly 200 US Dollars and more advanced designs selling for closer to 300 US Dollars.
I've been outdone again. (Score:2)
I have had an awful glimpse of the future. (Score:4)
Insurance companies will HATE these things.
"Before we can insure you Mr. Goldstein, I have a few questions. Do you use tobacco? No. Good. Do you have any of those silly flamable wooden computers? Ok, then you monthly premium is...DAMN, I pay this much per year, um,,,"
Why not build a case-squared? (Score:2)
1. Build your computer in a regular, ugly case. 2. Build a wood (or stone or plastic or lead crystal, whatever
3. The end result is a wood "case" that covers everything but most of the back of the real computer case, where most of the cooling happens, as well as all the ports. Quicker, more efficient than a real pc case made of wood, and much easier. Thoughts?
Yeah.... (Score:1)