Last I heard, Apple sales haven't plummeted and thrown them into bankruptcy, so it sounds like they learned the lesson just fine: it's fine to show people ads. People might complain a little bit, but they won't stop buying. Cost is $0 and ad revenue is presumably more than $0.

If someone is stuck with your proprietary software and you aren't showing them ads, then you're leaving money on the table. What're they gonna do, fork it out?

You only need to refuel your ICE car once a week or so, and the same is true for a BEV. Even though plugging in at home is less hassle than going to a gas station, it's still not something you want to have to do every day.

Why wouldn't you want to plug the car in 'every day' if you have the ability to? Going to the gas station is dead time; you're standing there pumping.

Plugging in any sort of plugin EV is not dead time; you seat the connector and...walk away. Your involvement is done until you want to drive next, and you..unplug the connector and set it into it's holder. Or lay it on the ground out of the way.

Do you also complain about plugging in your phone at night?

Being driven by both is not some kind of third option

It kind of is. My wife's PHEV's hybrid mode will use the ICE in 'eco' mode, and use the batteries if, for example, she accelerates quickly to pass on the highway, and is always using regen braking to put power back in the batteries.

On the other hand, I had a PHEV rental a while back that was either on battery or on engine, and that's that.

'5 minutes is a threshold mark' for what?

Shit, back when I drove ICE cars, it was common to spend longer than that *in line* at the gas station, let alone pumping.

EVs are not gas cars. You lose the idea of 'stopping to get gas.' That paradigm simply does not apply.

And let me tell you, from personal experience, popping out of your car, plugging in the fast charger, popping back in, and turning the cabin climate control back on is a hell of a lot nicer than standing outside in the -45 wind chill pumping gas, even if you're just sitting there in the car for twenty minutes.

The next step is usually a full EV when people figure out that range anxiety is bullshit and they spend most of their time driving their hybrid in full EV mode anyway.

My wife drives a PHEV, I drive a BEV. I have to remind her every once in a while to go burn her gas, lest it start to degrade, she goes so long driving in battery mode. And we almost invariably wind up taking my BEV on long road trips, because it's cheaper to drive, and we need a rest stop before it does, and at any half-way decent fast charger, it's done charging before we're done eating at said rest stop.

If they swap every couple of hours, that's safe, surely? 2 hours on, 2 hours off is... fine.

Debatable.

this is about giant road trips with 14 hours of driving. If you're telling me the DC charging network is capable of supporting htat across Canada in the winter, then I'm happy to hear it, but it feels like it may be some time away

Ah, yes, 'it feels.'

Try this. Go to the A Better Route Planner website. Tell it you want to go from, lets say, North Bay to Edmonton, on Jan 15th, departing at Midnight. That should be plenty 'winter' like.

I picked North Bay Airport to Edmonton Int'l Airport. I drive an Ioniq 5, so used that vehicle profile.

Here's three driving plans, all completely within Canada, all fast-charger stops; i.e. it assumes we're driving around the clock and not stopping someplace to sleep for the night and charge overnight.

Balanced between 'time per charge' and 'number of charging stops' gives us 35 hours of driving time and 8 hours of charging, spread across 19 charges. That's about a stop every two hours, on average, for your piss break and driver changeover. Charging stops range from 8 minutes for a quick top-up to get to the next charger, to an hour for the next long haul.

Optimizing for fewer (but longer) charging stops, we get a little more than 35 hours charging time, 17 stops, but 8 hours, 38 minutes of charging. This is actually a bit less efficient, because the I5 charges very quickly from lower battery levels.

Optimizing for more (but shorter) charging stops, we stay at just under 36 hours driving time, 8.5 hours charging time, and 25 stops ranging from 5 to 40 minutes.

It's faster go cut through the states, of course, rather than go north over Lake Superior, but hey, we're specifying all in Canada, right?

Oh, and just for comparison, if we were to calculate the trip from North Bay Airport to Edmonton Airport leaving right now, i.e. perfect EV conditions, a balance between stops and charge length, 37 hours, with 5.5 hours of charging across 14 chargers, so winter cost us 2.5 hours of extra charging.

But hey, let's go for fucking broke. An All-EV trip from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Prince Rupert, BC, on Jan 15th, departing at midnight. I don't want to take a ferry from St Johns.

Optimized driving path, about 2 days, 19 hours of solid driving, 16.5 hours charging across 34 charge stops, again, ranging from 10 minute top-ups to hour long charges. Middle of winter.

Recalculate it for leaving today, and we get 12 hours, 38 minutes of charging across 31 charge stops. So, yes, the cold temps cost us an extra four hours of charging, total, across a ~6400 km drive.

Where on the planet is not near groundwater?

And yet, the discovery of an anti-gravity mine where contaminants flow UP to the aquifer, should be worth billions.

An EV can't deal with that situation yet, especially in a Canadian winter with chargers being few and far between.

I've been driving EVs in Northern Ontario for years, and somehow still manage to get around, even in the coldest of winters.

And like I said, "can and should take a break." These people are practicing an unsafe driving routine.

For the love of all that matters, don't make the mistake the US did, fix it now before it's too late.

"History" won't give a flying shit. Great men in history... and women... have rarely been "good". Steve Jobs will be remembered far more than Torvalds ever will, and he was absolute garbage as a person. Like it or not, history cares about winners. Genghis Khan will always be remembered more than, say, Mother Theresa.

I'd be curious to know about your usage patterns, because in this day and age, an EV can drive further than the human driving it should go without a break, and will charge faster than that human can take that break.

If the CEOs believe it is true, it won't matter that it is true. Reducing headcount and ending hiring is going to be their priority.

I say any company over 50 employees needs to be charged an extra AI tax for eliminating positions, above and beyond the unemployment taxes they already pay on layoffs.

Yes, exactly. Best Buy got Napster because they bought Roxio - the CD-Burning software company. LOL. "Roxio Toastt". Roxio was the first vulture to pick the bones of the original Napster, buying branding assets when the feds shut it down.

Invented virtualization.