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Comment Re:So Google paid a fraction of the cost (Score 0) 95

Better to be subsiding nuclear (and batteries for solar) than coal and gas, I suppose.

Grid scale batteries can do more than deal with the intermittency of solar power.

I recall news about the Tesla Megapack in Australia keeping the electric grid stable after a gigawatt scale coal power plant was somehow suddenly taken off the grid. So, consider how batteries could help in keeping electricity flowing should a gigawatt scale nuclear power plant have an unplanned shutdown, it's not like the electrons behave any different if they come from a nuclear power plant than a coal power plant.

If there's a need for grid scale electric storage then nuclear fission allows for energy storage at lower cost than batteries, and possibly lower cost than pumped hydro storage. Nuclear fission is uniquely suited for thermal energy storage since they can produce temperatures higher than concentrated solar thermal, thermodynamics tell us the higher the temperature in the "thermal battery" the better.

A nuclear power plant with thermal energy storage allows for ramping down power and diverting that heat into storage for using when solar power fades with clouds and nightfall. Thermal energy storage could be little more than a tank on a molten salt coolant loop. Because thermal energy storage is so simple the cost of construction and operation could be the cheapest option for grid scale storage. If batteries prove to be lower cost than thermal energy storage then a nuclear power plant can use batteries instead.

If we are going to be truthful with ourselves about the cost of energy then we should not ignore how batteries could be paired up with more than just solar.

Comment Re:What could possibly go right? (Score 0, Troll) 95

America literally has no steel plants large enough to create a nuclear pressure vessel.

Canada figured out how to build gigawatt scale CANDU nuclear reactors without large steel castings. If getting large steel cast parts is an issue for Americans then Americans could work out a deal with Canada, or develop similar reactors independently. That's assuming we'd want to continue building gigawatt scale reactors. Right now there's a Department of Energy contest of sorts to see who has the best small modular reactors. The winners of this competition would likely need a few years yet to get from these first-of-a-kind demonstration reactors to mass production, which means they can avoid any issues over sourcing large steel castings.

There's more to cost reduction with scale than keep building gigawatt scale reactors. SMRs can be designed to scale with quantity, and that's the sales pitch being used to find utilities willing to fund nuclear power plants.

I am continually baffled on how those opposed to nuclear power keep bringing up problems that have been solved decades ago.

A loan like this could draw out people from other plants for that big payout. But in reality, unless they plant to build new plants and use this to train up new nuclear workers, they're just going to hurt the existing energy industry.

That might be a problem right now but certainly solvable in something like five years. When I was attending university for an electrical engineering degree and planning out which courses to take for the next semester I discovered that the professor for one of the fluid dynamic classes had a degree in nuclear engineering. That made me wonder how many other professors teaching at American universities were nuclear engineers. There's few universities in the USA offering degrees in nuclear engineering, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's a shortage of professors willing and able to teach nuclear engineering courses.

If universities see demand for nuclear engineers from both students and the energy industry then they can develop a nuclear engineering program. A nuclear power plant will need people trained in nuclear engineering but only a handful of them as there's plenty going on at nuclear power plants that will not require knowing anything related to nuclear fission. There's clearly enough nuclear engineers for the current demand, because if there were not then I would not see any university with professors trained in nuclear engineering teaching courses ion how to build windmills, they would instead be teaching at a university with a nuclear engineering program, or they'd be applying their expertise designing or operating nuclear power plants.

As it is now it takes about eight years to build a nuclear power plant from breaking ground to producing electricity. This gives the nuclear power industry time to avoid a future shortage of nuclear engineers. The nuclear power industry can, and almost certainly will, do what they can to speed the process along. While attending university I learned of scholarships from John Deere to get more agricultural engineers. If I had learned of this scholarship earlier then I would have switched to agricultural engineering to see my costs to attend university lowered. Much like that nuclear engineer teaching students how to build windmills the degree doesn't lock people into a narrow field of employment options. If I studied agricultural engineering at university I could find work programming binary load lifters by applying what I learned at university about moisture vaporators. The companies building nuclear power plants today can offer scholarships in nuclear engineering just like how John Deere offered scholarships for agricultural engineers.

Comment Re:Chasing a trend (Score 1) 96

That's my thought as well. Also, it's not cheaper than getting two separate devices so there's no cost advantage.

I've never been a fan of foldable phones so I'm not the target market for this anyway, but what allure does this product have for anyone who wants to buy one? This product category feels more like a status symbol than serving any legitimate mainstream need. Niche product categories are fine, but Apple has never been a company excited to spend their time making something that only sells a few hundred thousand units per year.

Comment Re:Induced demand is BS (Score 1) 149

I think we're having a semantic argument. Demand isn't being caused by adding more roads, the demand already exists and people aren't making trips because the cost of doing so is too high to justify. Hence the example that adding more bike racks does not induce more people to ride their bike to work when the racks are already underutilized. If someone added a 10 lane highway between two cities in remote Alaska would they magically fill up. Of course not. But why did they fail to induce demand in the same way that building more lanes in LA or Houston magically seems to do. The demand was already there and adding more lanes better lets people make the trips they already wanted to make but were otherwise avoiding.

Urbanists have adopted the foolish belief that by not expanding roads it will somehow magically get people to use public transportation. I suppose they're correct to the extent that if you make something suck badly enough no one will want to use it it unless the absolutely have to (see public transportation in most of the U.S.) but by similar logic reducing the number of hospitals would surely result in fewer people needing to go to the ER. We build other infrastructure to satisfy the wants and needs of the population it serves. Roads should be the same.

Comment Re:The Story Doesn't Say (Score -1) 95

The story doesn't say how old this reactor is

I'd guess the authors of the fine article believed that the age of the power plant wasn't important enough to include. There are plenty of details not in the article since the authors of the article will have a maximum word count from their editors, this is so the readers are not given trivial details that would bore and/or confuse the reader. The editors and reporters will have a point they want to get across, the point I got from the article is that there's a growing demand for electricity which has forced people to reconsider the viability of nuclear fission as a source of electricity. If the reader wishes to learn that detail they can easily find that with a web search using the same computer used to read the article.

I'll save you from the trouble of searching this yourself, construction started in 1970 and the reactor commissioned in 1975 which would make this reactor about 50 years old.

why it was decommissioned

That was in the article. The plant had been damaged by a powerful wind storm, as seen only in a once in a lifetime level of power. The reactor didn't see any damage, the damage was to property around the reactor that turns the reactor heat into electricity and sends that electricity to the local rural electric cooperative. At the time immediately after the storm the plant could not raise the money needed to repair it, while also paying for the refueling and maintenance that was in progress then. Minds were changed on restarting the reactor because of rising natural gas costs.

how much the government or consumers paid for the stupidly expensive shutdown process and likely ongoing maintenance

Just like I commented above there's only so much detail that can be put in a news article while also keeping the word count to something that can be easily processed by the intended audience.

how much it will cost the government or consumers to shut it down again in the not too distant future

Every nuclear power plant is required to show the NRC they have funds set aside for decommissioning before a license to operate is granted. In the end all Americans are contributing to this fund by electricity fees, taxes, and likely more. It appears you believe that there's better options than nuclear fission for producing electricity. I expect that the people working on restarting DAEC did the math on costs versus benefits and found restarting DAEC was their best option. I'm quite certain that these people know more about the costs and income than you do.

Decommissioning takes 10 - 15 years.

Why should anyone be all that concerned about how long the decommissioning will take? There's all kinds of infrastructure projects that take a similarly long time to complete, why should I think any different about a nuclear power plant?

I'm all in favor of nuclear power. But there is a considerable cost at the end of the line that always seems to get forgotten about until suddenly the utility needs $2billion from subscribers to clean and secure it for eternity. The entire lifecycle needs to be accounted for in advance.

What you've written doesn't mesh with nuclear power. It appears to me that you are simply ignorant about nuclear power and can't be bothered to do the slightest to educate your self. You clearly have a computer and internet, if you didn't then you'd not be posting comments to Slashdot, which allows you to find answers to your questions in only a few minutes. I'm reminded of a comment that's been attributed to Mark Twain, those who don't read will remain as ignorant as those that can't read.

There's two events that stick out in my mind that demonstrate to me how opinions are changing on nuclear fission for energy. The first event was seeing Andrew Yang advocated for nuclear power in his campaign for POTUS. If Yang believed Democrats would not support nuclear power then he'd not likely run as a Democrat. The national Democrat party platform included support for nuclear power shortly after Yang dropped out of the race for the White House, and I'm of the belief that leaders in the party made this shift because Yang was getting popular as a candidate. Yang speaking in favor of nuclear power, and getting plenty of votes in primary elections, likely got Democrat leaders nervous on their chances to win in that race. Yang forced other Democrats to comment on nuclear power, and those that spoke out against it were losing votes to Yang or Republicans.

The second event that tells me public opinions on nuclear power are changing happened in the last week or so, I'm seeing adverts in favor of nuclear power on YouTube. For something like 50 years Democrats were either openly opposed to nuclear power or were trying to pretend that nuclear power doesn't exist. If there's enough money to produce and distribute these adverts then there must be plenty of people willing to fund these adverts.

Comment Re:Induced demand is BS (Score 1) 149

Induced demand is just flat out wrong. Here's an easy example. If the building I work I were to double the number of bike racks in front of it, would it increase the number of people who bike to work?

The reality is that there would be twice as many empty bike racks in front of the building. Why did they fail to induce demand in this case? People (mostly) do t drive just for the sake of driving. They do so because the trip serves some purpose. If the trip is too costly in terms of time taken then people are less likely to make it. Increased usage of rod capacity is merely a recognition of latent demand for less expensive travel. This follows typical human behavior where lower costs tends to lead to higher consumption.

I don't think communists have ever promoted the idea of induced demand. This seems to have sprung up in urbanism communities that have an absolute disdain for cars. There might be an overlap in these communities, but I've only ever stumbled across it there. The only way to increase the number of people who would bike to work is if the racks are already full and some people who would otherwise bike to work elect not to because they might not be able to find a spot to park their bike. Same exact thing with roads. Some people put off trips they might otherwise make because they don't expect to be able to make them as quickly as they'd like.

Comment Re:News Flash (Score -1) 166

It's ordinance, not ordnance!
Ordinance = local laws
Ordnance = munitions.

I'm aware of the distinction between the two words, I was trying to be funny. I set up the joke but then failed in delivering the punch line. I was referencing the "four boxes of liberty", with those boxes being soap, ballot, jury, and ammunition/cartridge/ordnance/whatever. If the local government fails to enact/pass legislation to change behavior, and/or fails in changing behavior by nonviolent means, then this could lead to violent enforcement, where violent enforcement includes handing out ammunition.

Comment Re:Couldn't imagine... (Score 4, Insightful) 70

Do you regularly go to film festivals? The people who regularly do are the sort of people who tend to follow the industry closely and know a lot about upcoming films in much the same way that posters here follow rumors about unreleased tech products. For them the prospect of being one of a few hundred people who get to screen something that no one else has seen before or even heard about is going to be an alluring proposition, in much the same way that plenty of people here would jump at the opportunity to beta test some secret new tech product that's been kept under wraps during development. Maybe it will be a waste of time, but the potential is what draws us in.

Comment Re:News Flash (Score 0) 166

There are so many caveats to that idea:

Sure, rarely in life is anything absolute.

1. Most campground owners don't want you drawing 32A for hours. Their wiring infrastructure was designed with assumption it would only see the intermittent spikes in usage typical of an RV.

Define "typical of an RV" for the class. I know people with an RV, and I've done a bit of looking on what an RV takes for power more generally, so I believe I have some idea on what an RV might take for power. If we are to take my brother's RV as something approaching "typical" then we will see two AC units for cooling. This allows for running a single AC unit if there is only a "travel trailer" outlet for power, which provides 120VAC @ 30A, or running both units if there is a 240VAC @ 40A outlet as found at more "up to date" campsites suited for larger camper trailers and RVs. On a warm Midwest summer day like today there could be a near constant running of the AC unit(s) from early afternoon until about midnight when the outdoor temperature gets below 70F. If we assume a cool fall or spring day for camping then there could be electric resistance heaters running constantly through the night and into the mid-morning when the sun starts to warm everything up.

I can understand that during much of the camping season the high power loads will be largely intermittent, such as microwave ovens as well as more intermittent use of heating and cooling, but that is not guaranteed. I don't know how an RV park would calculate loads to determine main service size but this still means that a BEV with a portable L2 charge cable is no worse than an RV during cool or warm weather.

2. An EVSE plugged into a NEMA 14-50 outlet maxes out at 32A. Even with a car with a smaller battery pack (such as the Chevy Bolt in TFS) is going to be charging for hours depending on how much juice you're trying to add. You may very well end up spending the night sleeping in the car.

If the choice is to spend $500 (the highway robbery DCFC fees such as in TFA plus fees for a motel room for the night) or to sleep in the car for the night during mild weather at a campsite for $25 then I'll choose sleeping in my car. If there is severe weather to the point sleeping in my car would not be safe, some hurry to get where I'm going, or some other unusual need, then I'll eat the $500. I won't like paying out $500, would likely dispute the fees as soon as possible as shown in TFA, but if I had to eat that then I'd consider it a once in a lifetime case of bad luck as well as a learning experience to better plan my travels in the future.

3. Public L2 chargers are a thing (usually found at hotels, shopping centers, and parking garages) if you really don't mind the slow charging speeds. A lot of them are cheap or sometimes even free.

That's great but TFA is about a gentleman traveling through the Midwest USA, on what I assume to be a summer vacation, being left with what appeared to be limited options for recharging the BEV he rented. There's a lot of missing details on the situation so we'll have to speculate. If a motel with free EV charging was within the range left on the battery was available then I would expect the driver to take that option than gamble on the fees from an unfamiliar charger. Then consider the point I made above, there may have been more going on which dictated using the DCFC regardless of the fees than spend the night at a campsite in rural Michigan.

4. DCFC is expensive, but generally still not as expensive as paying a campground fee. Just get an adapter if your car doesn't already support NACS, and go to the nearest Tesla Supercharger that is open to non-Tesla EVs (most of them are at this point). You won't have to worry about sketchy dealerships and their price gouging chargers.

A quick look at DCFC fees tells me that $0.40/kWh is about as low as anyone can find in the USA. For a 65 kWh battery like in the Chevy Bolt that comes to about $25 for a full charge. Consider DCFC fees that would be from average to high and it might be double that, perhaps even triple or quadruple. A quick look at some local campsites and I see overnight fees for a spot with electricity being between $25 and $50. Maybe campsites cost more where you are but I'd expect most Midwest campsite fees would be in that $25 to $50 range. It's been a while since I rented a campsite but I doubt there's much difference in the fees over that time and over the general Midwest area, feel free to prove me wrong. Remember that we are talking about people traveling through rural USA, there may not be a Tesla Supercharger on the path from A to B.

I agree that Tesla appears to offer the best option for EV charging, regardless of which make of BEV being discussed, but Tesla chargers aren't always an option. I point to campsites as an option to recharge as (at least in my experience) fees are posted clearly, they will offer a safe place to rest for a few hours to overnight if necessary, will have toilets (though perhaps not the most modern and clean), and likely other amenities to make the stop at least relatively comfortable and likely more comfortable than the typical charging station which offers little more than a slab of asphalt baking in the summer sun. Assuming the BEV driver is not in a hurry, or lacking better options, then $50 for a few hours at a campsite to recharge (literally and figuratively) isn't that bad of an option. What's the better option here? A $200 tow to the next town with a Tesla Supercharger? Or a motel with free overnight EV charging?

The larger point is to keep an open mind on EV charge options when traveling through unfamiliar territory and/or sparsely populated areas like the Midwest USA. Instead of only looking for DCFC on an app consider also campsites, motels that have L2 chargers, truck stops that might not be listed on most EV charging networks, and so on. I've seen comments on Slashdot on how some hospitals and churches have EV chargers that are either free or low cost, they may not be DCFC but expect to at least have a safe place to rest while waiting to charge.

Comment Re:News Flash (Score 1) 166

Car dealership ran by piece of shit.

Like most local shops that treat their patrons like shit they made the local news for their actions. This often leads to corrections to this behavior in short order. The shop can change their behavior in response to locals being less likely to visit their shops (and therefore impact income) or the local government will pass some ordnance (or is it "ordinance"?) to more forcefully adjust their behavior.

EVs are still a new enough phenomenon that NACS as a standard charging port is only two years old (or something, it's close enough), so new that we might still be seeing CCS or whatever on new EVs for another two years. The "piece of shit" dealers with sky high fees on charging aren't likely to get away with this highway robbery for much longer. People will learn which dealers are pieces of shit, EV charger apps will learn to post fees as well as potentially just refuse to list charging sites that rob EV drivers, and laws will be passed to force fees charged to be posted prominently like we see now with filling stations.

I'm disappointed that anyone believes they can get away with this kind of robbery, but I'm also encouraged that this is making the news which will discourage this robbery in the future.

I've had generally pleasant experiences with local auto dealers so I've not been trained to believe that dealerships rip people off like I'll hear others express such happening to them. Again, I expect this to be self correcting, especially now that so many drivers will have a smartphone that can give rapidly updated information on anyone that could try to rob them with shady business tactics.

Oh, and a note to those looking to avoid high EV charging fees:
A tip I picked up is that it's cheap to charge up an EV at campsites for those thinking ahead to pack a portable charge cable, a cable that can be had for something like $100 from all kinds of shops be they online or brick and mortar. From experience a campsite will offer as much as a 240 VAC @ 40A outlet for "shore power", or at least some kind of electrical outlet, and charge something like $25 for the night regardless of how much electricity is consumed. You don't have to stay the night, presumably sleeping in your car, but you can if that means charging up cheap while spending the night in a safe place to sleep. Nearly every campsite will have toilets, showers, and WiFi for campers to use. The nicer campsites could also have a swimming pool, laundromat, perhaps a little convenience shop to pick up basic food items and/or toiletries, maybe a playground or hiking trails to get some exercise and/or distract any children traveling with you for a bit. My point is that by thinking outside the box on places to charge there are options to save money on EV charging, or at least having a more pleasant stop than the typical roadside charging spot that is lacking the most basic of comforts for the stop.

Comment Why post the charger as publicly available? (Score 0, Interesting) 166

The question was asked in the fine article of why post the charger as available to the general public if the owners were doing everything possible to discourage the public from using it. I can make a couple guesses, including the guess in the fine article that the owners thought they might be able to get away with the high fees if anyone was desperate enough to actually use the charger they installed for the purpose of charging the EVs they were offering for sale.

Another reason I can speculate could be incentivizing this behavior is that there is (or was at the time of installation) some kind of government incentive for posting the charger as publicly available, such as some provision in the Inflation Reduction Act that had considerable incentives for promoting more EV sales. Regardless of the cause I expect this to be a self correcting issue. If this isn't fixed with legislation, such as marking the fees in ways clearly visible like current rules on refilling stations, then it will be fixed with competition on lower fess and with charger locator apps indicating what fees to expect at each location.

Even though I live in the relatively sparsely populated Midwest USA I'd feel confident I could get to where I need to go while also avoiding exorbitant fees on public chargers. When growing up on the family dairy farm we were about 15 miles from two small towns that offered most every service we'd need, such as dentists, optometrist, hospitals and clinics offering every basic medical service, schools, libraries, groceries, clothing, auto dealerships, restaurants, and more. Airports, "bigger" hospitals, the more niche shopping, etc. would be more like 50 to 100 miles away, something easily done on a single charge with most BEVs available in the last decade or so. To get to a major metro, such as Chicago or the Twin Cities, could be as much as 300 miles for a Midwesterner by my estimations. Such a large city will have many options for public chargers, making exorbitant fees on an EV charger unlikely to stand for long.

I guess where I'm going with this is that I'm as confused as anyone on how EV charging fees like this could exist in 2026. I don't have an EV currently but I'm thinking that my next vehicle will be a PHEV. Articles like this make me nervous to jump into EVs with both feet and look for a BEV. What also makes me nervous about a BEV is the "range anxiety" that comes from even the EV advocates when news like this is brought up. If BEV owners are so anxious about range that they are insistent that every restaurant, movie theater, parking ramp, and even their own workplace, have a place to plug in for charging, then why would I want a BEV? This leads me to believe that I could be left calling for a tow, or left paying sky high fees at a public EV charger, because my BEV lacks the single charge range to get me to work, shopping, religious services, places of education, or whatever.

If EV advocates want to see more people buy or rent BEVs then I suggest doing two things. First is to quit with the insistence that EV chargers be available at every parking spot, that only feeds the "range anxiety" that should have been left to history by now. Point out how most daily driving is within 100 miles of where people call home, and even an abused cheap used BEV will make up for those miles on a single overnight charge from a common 120 VAC outlet. Second, do some common sense advocacy with those providing the charging and other services, or act on this yourself by putting your own money into getting chargers installed. I believe that advocating for more legislation, such as tax incentives and subsidies, are often counterproductive. If you are calling for more laws on incentivizing BEV sales then that it likely to feed into public resistance as it justifies their unfounded "range anxiety", feeds into fears of government overreach, and more that will only get people to dig in their heels and hold tight to their dinosaur burners.

I'm wondering if EV advocates have become their own worst enemy.

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