We all saw the video. We all know what it meant. We all know Musk's background and upbringing. You can quit gaslighting us. We all saw it.

Well aren't you all preppy and well prepared. I did my chemistry homework in the bus in on the day it was due. Yeah I could not do anything without a deadline looming.

Multiplication tables

Meh. I as always shit at multiplication tabled at school. I'm still probably worse than a good school student, but I actually understand maths, so I can do fast order of magnitude estimates and sanity checks. Precise digits are for calculators.

Chemical formulae including the Periodic Table

I mean you need an idea of what goes where and what that means, but rot memorization of it is kind of pointless. How much does it help knowing Bismuth is a pnictogen? I guess if you work with pnictides a lot you'd probably start to have it down but it's probably not that necessary otherwise.

There is no virtue in learning / doing those in school time.

Some people don't have the maturity (me) or home life to do them out of school. I spent all my time fucking around with code instead...

You know I'm happy for the UK to not be #1 in the world in this regard.

Schools are making factory workers? Then why did so many schools drop auto, wood, metal, etc classes?

Those are skilled things, factory workers are ideally low skilled and replaceable. That was one of the main points of the factory system and later the American system. You're not skilfully chiselling wood or hand turning machine parts in a factory.

FWIW https://www.keychron.com/produ... has more or less the layout I've been using (several keyboard manufacturers make keyboards like this.) Despite the lack of legends on the numeric keypad it is a navigation pad when Num Lock is off. I think that's a decent compromise, and it's close to a Model F but fixes the main problem by moving the F keys up to the top

I like the re esc key, it's a bit BBC (that was the F-keys).

I think if that's too big for a desktop, then the desktop probably has ergonomic problems anyway!

More of an organisation problem: my desk is always full of shite.

This is just property confiscation,

Oh no! Anyway, I had toast this morning for breakfast. Anyone else?

Am I weird for wanting to play old but excellent games? Sure! But I still want to play old but excellent games!

No, not at all. I sometimes play a game that requires the "shift lock" key, something not present on any PC keyboard. But I'm not exactly a common case here.

Thing is not a lot requires a numeric keypad these days since laptops outsell desktops. The old days of having a fuckoff massive desk because you had a giant CRT (with a small screen haha) on top of a pizza box case are gone. Now, desk space is probably more of a premium so having a narrower keyboard is a net win for many.

I say this as someone who has configured my number pad with window management keys so I do use it, but I understand why most people don't.

So, are these actually intended for serious use? Who buys keyboards without numpads, except for the retro kiddies with their custom mechanical keyboards?

I mostly buy keyboards with numpads because that's what decent but inexpensive keyboards come with. What serious users actually use the number pad? I don't do data entry.

I'm not in the mood for cockney, speak English please.

Ah yes, I forgot you're a bigot and proud.

This is not surprising, racism, xenophobia etc comes from a lack of rational thought. Something that has imbued the rest of your post too.

Read the post again. I specifically called out templates, and your solution doesn't avoid any of the shortcomings I specifically called out, all it does is rearrange it.

False. I mean discussing C++ with you is really reminiscent of discussing physics with Angel'o'sphere. You're both impervious to sources, direct demonstrations, reason, logic, facts or anything other than the incoherent mush that's currently buzzing around inside your skull.

There isn't any C++ that isn't bad.

Not created by you, but I am not obliged to live in your world.

I suspect your Rust code is terrible too. I'm currently unpicking an absolute mess from a proud "rustacean", Rust does nothing to prevent people like you making such vast edifices of garbage but unfortunately leaves them convinced their code is good because it's in rust.

He's a 10x engineer: why write 1 line when 10 will do. You'd get on grandly, I suspect. You could go "diving" together or whatever it is and bitch about C++. You could try bitching about foreigners, but he's only a bad programmer, not as racist as far as I know.

I live in a much warmer climate than you do,

I mean... I live in the UK. It's temperate rather than warm per se. Not sure what that's got to do with much, however, it's not like the sea is inaccessible on an island.

I do it all the time.

I'm sure you do.I can only hope you understand dive rescue better than programming otherwise there's going to be a lot of dead people. Though I suspect that won't be the case.

most of which was spent driving home from the sushi bar I was at while browsing slashdot on my phone.

So you were sitting in a sushi bar stewing over what I'd say enough to pull out your phone. Smooth.

I believe, in good faith, that I'm already operating at a much higher level than you are.

I'm sure you do! That says rather more about you than me though, so I'll accept that admission.

I despise C++ developers who want to shit on everything that isn't C++

No, you despise anyone who (a) knows C++ and (b) doesn't blindly agree wit hall the stupid and outright agree with the stupid shit you say.

and Linus was right to respond the way he did

Yes I know and understand that you think that spewing a bunch of logical fallacies is the right way to argue.

You misunderstand: You HAVE to ask for it to use the interface pattern, even if it's not necessary, or it just doesn't compile.

This whole pile of spew from you is fractally wrong. All it illustrates is that from the "very high level" you are operation at you understand neither Rust nor C++. First you're comparing rust traits (compile time) to C++ polymorphism (runtime) not templates (which are compile time). The only explanation for this is you understand neither C++ nor Rust.

Secondly, If you compile in an even vaguely normal way, i.e. with at least O1, the virtual call disappears because the compiler knows the type so it doesn't make the virtual call. But again, you'd have to have some vague familiarity with compilers to know that.

I have no idea why you're fucking with the CRTP. Here's how you would actually do it:

https://godbolt.org/z/3rhGzqPc...

Your "very high level" appears to involve some very bad C++.

Have fun. I'm going diving all day tomorrow,

We both know that's not true. You'll be reading my post and stewing all day trying to figure out a riposte which doesn't dig you into an even deeper hole. But sure "diving". Let's both go with that ;)

No, no, no.

Do something intelligent.

You know what isn't intelligent? Blaming social problems caused by global megacorps on individual parents simply because you don't like some of the conclusions being reached.

Any dildo can come up with schemes to fix social problems which create terrible new social problems.

Cool. Yelling "you're a dildo and it's your fault" is not going to make people change their minds.

I mean it's only 7.1, not 7.0 it's being removed from. You could use ubuntu 2.04, at which point EOL would be some time around 2030, at which point it would become a little more difficult to run a 40 year old network card in a fully patched OS.

I mean that's ignoring the difficulties of trying to run an ISA card these days.

A lot of these devices just need one grizzled old hacker to maintain them (as in the plural, one programmer, multiple legacy devices.)

And are you?

What I'm not interested in are the inevitable ID verification schemes in the name of thinking of the children.

And I'm not interested in the tide coming in and yet...

I don't want ID either, but pretending the problems don't really exist or proposing even worse solutions simply because you don't like the only proposed solution is inefficient.